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I have bipolar disorder, and throughout the last year I've developed schizophrenia.
There are many times when I feel dead inside, even when nothing is apparently wrong. The brain chemicals alter the thought processes that should be positive into something negative-- thinking about friends I have; in that state of mind, every negative feeling is grown enormously. I am sometimes social, but not as social as I should be, and that aids the downwards progression of a mood, as well as every little thing-- how I don't talk enough, how I'm dyslexic, how I'm alone and will never have a sustainable relationship; it all hits hard. But there is so much more certainty in life than death... I don't even KNOW if there would be an ability to feel positive at all, for sure, in death. So I've stuck it to myself to, no matter what, remain alive and just experience whatever life puts at me. In more recent times, this has been interesting, because with schizophrenia I've partitioned myself into two or three. I have my mind, which I view as an aura, which sees every aspect of me in a third person view. When I do feel extremely down, to the point where I'm sick to my stomach and physically paralyzed, I dissociate on an extreme level, to where it's basically an out of body experience (well, typically they are actual OBE's. Music helps it as well) But enough elaborating on that fact... tl;dr, my individual way of coping with the need to escape, is to escape. It's not a very healthy way, and I'm a screwed up person IRL because of it (schizophrenia is not a minor thing...), but I'm happy with it. I don't know if any of that made any sense at all, but whatever. /contribution. Nobody should commit suicide. If anything, go run away and go camp out in a beautiful place out in the middle of nowhere with nature until you starve to death. The atmosphere might encourage you to continue living, if you're one for the beauty of nature. Think of what you'll be missing!!!!!
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As someone who would be dead if I had known about how lethal some drugs are, I definitely have an opinion about suicide.
It is not wrong. It is selfish for someone else to tell you you're being selfish for wanting your pain to end, whether they love you or not. For me, talking to someone did absolutely nothing. I had friends listen to me, I had councillors listen to me. So what? It didn't accomplish anything. Ah, I'm hanging out with friends, they're trying really ****ing hard to make me laugh, and I don't find it funny. I had support from people, but that didn't change how I felt most of the time. Social situations stressed me out because I had to put on an act. I avoided talking to my parents because, after seeing them flip at my sister and getting angry at her for crying about stuff all the time. I avoided them as much as possible, and they flipped at me for doing that. My mom felt like I was using her because I avoided her, but I avoided her because if I was really going to be myself around her, I would be crying most of the time, and that would make her even MORE hurt. Where do you get the justification to call people like ME selfish, when I was trying to hurt people as little as possible? Of course all that stuff with my parents just made me hurt more, but that wasn't the cause, or my feelings wouldn't have gone away if they had been understanding, because like I said, I had great friends who I tried to lean on. Honestly, sit down and think about it. Say you know you're mentally ****ed up, and you know that it's going to be a challenge for you to just do everyday things for the rest of your life, because really, the prognosis for most mental illnesses are still ****. Even though I've been happier the past 4-6 months than I have been since I was 16, I have to face the fact that I will likely become depressed again. And I'm a good case. I can basically look after myself. I've had very few bouts where pulling myself out of bed to shower requires so much strength and effort that I just can't do it. But there are so many out there who can't, and who struggle and cry over that fact among a myriad of other things. What if they're spouse or parents have been looking after them for 10 or more years, and they just aren't getting better? How would YOU like to be a parent looking after your 30 year old, or 40 year old kid because they're too depressed, because they lie in bed and CRY all day. At some point, it is not selfish to end your own life. Please tell me how this is illogical and I'm not thinking right, because clearly, being someone who's wanted so much to die at so many points in their life, I was obviously not being LOGICAL, was obviously not thinking right. **** it pisses me off what some people say to the mentally ill; they choose to blame them saying they're just not trying hard enough (completely IGNORING the fact that a symptom of depression is to take away your will power); they call them illogical, and they choose to think that there IS help, possibly because the reality simply hurts too much to acknowledge it, or most likely because drug companies really just sell hope. (Even psychiatrists acknowledge their treatments work about as well as placebo most of the time, through their very own studies.) I'll tell you this, the same thought about doing the same thing, like going on vacation, depending on my mood, will either make the thought of going on vacation immediately good, or immediately bad. And I think this is an example at least a few of you can relate to. I can analyze all the **** out of it as much as I want, and give myself a bullet point list of all the good reasons going on vacation is fun (many of which would be the reason I'd have made those reservations in the first place), but that doesn't change the way I feel about it at that point in time. Furthermore, on those same lines, yeah, life isn't always bad, even when depressed, there are moments of calm, niceness. But along the same lines, there's always going to be pain in the future too. To choose to ignore one or the other IS being illogical, although choosing to ignore most of the negatives will likely give you a lot more happiness. But again, depending on what your initial feelings are about something, its very, very hard to alter that. If I'm happy, there are rainbows ahead, if i'm sad, there's storm clouds, or however you want to put it, even though I always know full-well that both are ahead. Basically, I see people who are douches about this subject (ie: people who call people who commit suicide and who want to commit suicide, weak), are extremely ignorant, and are closed minded. Last edited by Cavernio; 12-20-2010 at 12:22 PM.. |
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Someone at our school has been on the verge of suicide for a while and what I have noticed is that he always looks at the bad side of things. He never thinks positive about anything and always focuses on the negative.
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Didn't read most posts, by my opinion on the subject.
Suicide is not selfish. When people say the person who commited suicide only cared about what they were going through and how miserable their life is, are far from the truth. You might think its easy for the person who does it.. but suicide is the last resort, after every other avenue for them has been taken. Some people have such trajedy in their lives that the only way they can deal with it is by ending their lives. Most are depressed and depression is a horrible illness, people become convinced no one would care about them if they die. What a horrible thought to have. |
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aaaaaaaaaand its obvious you have never known anyone who attempted or has commmitted suicide.
chin's post needs a little more attention. sorry my friend but the majority of people who attempt or commit suicide are weak. maybe if youre as crazy as you describe i could come closer to understanding your choice but even if that's the case, i will still consider you selfish and weak. |
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Define "weak."
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in the context i used it, "weak" means many things. unable to cope with Life, unable to recognize that there are people who you will leave distressed if you kill yourself, unable to see that youre taking the "easy way out".
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Do you think there's some wiggle room when it comes to just how bad someone has it? Do you consider someone who kills themself because they lost their cellphone to be weaker than someone with a terminal illness and is in constant real physical pain? Or are they both equally weak?
If there's any gray area, then you can't make generalizations about everyone who commits suicide.
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In my opinion, those people could actually be stronger than most others. Maybe some people wish they could commit suicide, but too weak to do so. I believe that if someone had comitted suicide then they most likely thought about the consequences and eventually thought it would be worth it.
You shouldn't judge someone for being weak when you haven't lived their life. Everyone has their little troubles in life, but people who commit suicide most likely have a lot more to deal with than most people. Sure, everyone thinks differently about things, but at the beginning everyone was basically the same. All of our opinions on things were based off of what we have learnt over the years and the experiences we've had. It's very disrespectful to say someone was weak for committing suicide, especially since you can't live their life. @Chaz. If a person killed themselves over losing their cellphone, then there's most likely one of two things: 1. That person has been dealing with an extreme amount of stress and that one little thing finally pushed them over the edge. 2. That person has had absolutely no stress for their entire life (i.e. being rich and living a care-free life) and didn't know how to deal with it when they first experienced stress like that.
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I don't know if Without A Contraceptive is trolling or if he's serious, but I'll take him at face value here because most people on this site are pretty thick, mentally speaking. You're completely wrong to say that all people who commit suicide are "weak" -- this is an absolutely retarded generalization and you're clearly falling victim to selection bias.
Most people who turn to suicide do so because they've run out of options. It's not as simple as pointing a finger and saying someone is weak for not coping/getting over their issues. Sometimes those issues are so inescapable to the point where all options have been exhausted. You may think someone is weak because from YOUR perspective/current state of life, their issues *should* be easy to cope with. You have to take all variables into account here. Their life != your life. It's almost never the same dynamic. Furthermore, people don't always know what they can do to fix their situations to begin with -- either that or they're simply too scared/unstable to try (usually there's a massive utility risk in doing so). It's the same sort of disgusting logic where people say "Homeless people are just lazy and need to get jobs" without understanding why so many people are homeless to begin with. Last edited by Reincarnate; 12-21-2010 at 01:27 PM.. |
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Wow, there is just so much debate going on in here. Well, as someone said earlier about lethal drugs; Cocaine, Heroine, Weed, X, PCP, LSD, Crack, Perx, Oxy, etc. Around the age of 18-21 I did this things religiously without thinking. I should be dead by definition of "overdose," but I'm not. I can't say that that is a technical "suicide" attempt. It's just misuse.
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Most? So most suicides are from people who are mentally challenged? Maybe like 30% of people are mentally challenged. But, even then, a slight percentage to those that have depression compared to those that want a scooby doo lunch box. Quote:
1.)Industrialized countries tend to have a higher suicide rate than poor, developing countries 2.)The U.S. has a moderate suicide rate compared to other industrialized countries. 3.)U.S. Suicide rates are highest in the western and rocky mountain states. They are are lowest in the Northeastern states. 4.)Canadian suicide rates are similar: highest in British Columbia, on the west coast, and lowest in Newfoundland, on the east coast. And one more: There were 31,204 deaths by suicide recorded in 1995; 30,535 in 1997; 33,000 in 2006 (the latest data available at 2009-SEP-10). 5 The actual number is probably significantly higher, because many suicides are recorded as accidents. There's facts. Now, you can continue to talk about this if you'd like ![]() But, this thread was not made to be just factual let's look at the OP Quote:
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Ummmm, again, law/suicide/legislation.... why is Suicide being related to legislation? Are the people who killed themself going to jail? Are they going to have to go to court to defend their actions? No. People committed suicide they are dead and passed on, leave it to the family and friends to mourn. Quote:
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All in all, suicide is a selfish act because selfish means to do for yourself without concern of others. You want something you take it regardless of the poor homeless boy in the corner, you want that 10,000 dollar prize. You forget about just how easy it is to just go for what you want. Very rarely with suicide will you see someone THINK about anyone else but their own problems...... I had a near suicide attempt to prove that ..... |
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Theirs a phrase police use to describe someone who leaves behind clues in a murder scene; the murderer senses that they did something wrong and a certain feeling overcame obviousness pretty much. I assume that phrase would fit here. "It's not as simple as pointing a finger and saying someone is weak for not coping/getting over their issues" Agreed. Everyone experiences something different, but because we're human and have this mentality of normal/average and we're just a pawn in the game of life, if someone loses their wife most of us can probably can assume (stupidly yet easily) he's a pathetic jerk for crying about it and taking his life for it. I can relate to this 100% (Just had more of a variety within my story). |
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Oni, I don't mean "run out of options" as some sort of universal truth. In most cases there ARE other options. But what's important to note is that relative to the person experiencing the lack of will to live, those other options are either unknown or not worth pursuing.
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I read something online that made a good point about suicide.
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I don't think it's so much a desire for an active feeling of relief as it is an absence of pain. An absence of any feeling at all accomplishes this just as well.
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This is coming from someone who, sadly, has attempted suicide multiple times, and been in a psych ward.
To me, it's like people said: an escape. I've become tired of living my life on many, many occasions (such as, funnily enough, right now) because of the person I am, who I've become, and how I've been treated because of it. I've tried changing into something I wanted to be, but... a lot of people don't agree with it. I've tried all the anti-depressants, and all those dumb therapists, and all the other medications under the sun. Nothing works. It's not always OUR fault, in fact, it rarely is, that we end up making that decision to cut our lives short. We just... can't take it anymore. The pain needs somewhere to go, but there's nowhere for it to go. It's like why some people (again, such as me) cut themselves; as a way to put the pain they constantly suffer from somewhere else, something physical. So it can be treated in some form. |
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"I don't think it's so much a desire for an active feeling of relief as it is an absence of pain. An absence of any feeling at all accomplishes this just as well."
I know this is not going to be entirely true, because I think most suicidal people feel something at the times when they ARE suicidal, but when you're suicidal because you feel there's no point because you usually feel emotionless, this doesn't help at all. Feeling anything besides despair is a blessing. Besides which, not feeling much of anything makes hurting yourself quite a bit easier. |
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I've witnessed my share of deaths - I have a fairly large family. Since the time I was about 14 or 15, there's been at least 12 deaths in my family (aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins). Don't even try to tell me that that hasn't taken some kind of toll on me. Each death makes me realize more and more how vulnerable I really am, how easily it could happen to me.
I've been through my share of states of depression. I have an 18 month old daughter and a wonderful fiancee, but I consider myself lucky if I get to see my fiancee once a week and (since she's usually asleep when I get to see my fiancee) my daughter MAYBE every other week (I think I've seen her twice this month). I hardly get to see my family, even less my friends. My dad lost his job and was out of work for three months, and, being in a family with 4 kids, we've been going through hell to just stabilize ourselves. My mom works full-time night shifts at a hospital, so she sleeps through the day. My dad is on the road for up to (and sometimes more than) two weeks at a time. Whenever either of them happen to be off of work on the same night, I have to work, so I don't get to spend time with them. Edit: I have friends that have been kicked out of their houses even before the age of 16 and have had to live on the street for a time, working two or three jobs to try and get by. My cousin got kicked out of his house on his 18th birthday and his parents left him with nowhere to go. They're both still alive and going, even though their families didn't care about them. I'm now working 40 hours a week at one job and starting to work a second job. I plan to be working at least 70 hours a week - I'm only 21. I'm barely getting myself by from paycheck to paycheck, let alone be able to do for my daughter what I want to do for her. My life is miserable. I just break down and cry because I don't have the luxury of being able to spend time with my family, my fiancee, or my daughter. I still get to talk to my friends late at night when I have the time, and that's enough for them and me. Q:What's the point to this post? A: There's always a reason to live, no matter what a person may think. Have I sunk into depression? Yes. I've drank to the point of delirium to get myself away from reality, but I don't rely on it. Do I want out of this? You'd be crazy to think I don't want out of it, but I've never even considered taking myself out of this world. I've accepted that my life is miserable now, but I tell myself that things will get better with time. What's my reason to live? I have people that need me. My parents need me to watch and take care of my 12 and 7 year old sister and brother when they aren't around. My fiancee needs me to provide money for us, even if she knows it means that I'll hardly get to see much of her or our daughter for a few months. I don't care who hates me for this (I know someone will). Mental illnesses aside, Suicide is selfish. There's always a reason to continue living. If you can't find that reason, you just don't care enough about the people around you, whether or not you think they care. Last edited by masterhickle; 12-23-2010 at 09:44 PM.. |
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