Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[t-rogdor]

This whole argument is just more proof that most internet communities are based on people having Asperger's.

[AsphyxZero]

Originally Posted by t-rogdor

Aspergian's.

oh! the games we played!

[Plan_Bsk81127]

ugh, all this bitching about subjectivity is getting pretty damn annoying. Everyone is going to be subjective in some way when judging, you cant help it, thats just how it happens. People judging are supposed to look at files, pick out errors and give their thoughts on it. Being its their thoughts on the file of course its possible it will be subjective. That is why we have multiple judges so its not just one persons thought on a file determining whether or not the file is accepted or not. So how bout we drop the whole using subjectivity as your excuse for why your file got rejected or a certain rating and use the proper notes given and fix what was asked to be fixed in a file and leave it at that.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by i love you

This is true however, most of us, including you, were being subjective in this batch in one form or another and used that as apart of your judging. I doubt this will ever change.


Doubt it.

I was subjective, but I'm capable of admitting that I was, and if you look at my notes, you'll even see that files with SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS of notes/fixes requested still ended up getting no lower than a [+?] because I'm able to separate between what should be there in my opinion, and what should be there in accordance to how the rest of the simfile is. Stop acting like I'm reacting like this because of this file - there's other files from the previous batch that got knocked down a ridiculous amount for stupid reasons, like song choice. There's even some files that had small amounts of errors and still got a [-].

But hey, I don't know a thing about judging or whatnot. I'm arguing with someone who thinks their opinion is right and nothing else because they couldn't even bother to address the issues that I pointed out -respectfully- like I asked to.

I'm done judging FFR files - if people are going to sit here and cut each other's throats off because they can't tell the difference between judging off of their preferences and what's right, then what the hell is the point. I love how the argument of subjectivity is coming out entirely because I choose -now- to speak up, rather than trying to focus on why people's votes are too -overly- subjective.

The rest of the judges can go have fun doing what they want. I feel sorry for the really strong judges who are consistently good because they know what they're doing having to deal with ratings that deviate ridiculously without justified reasons whatsoever. Apparently, getting a legitimate discussion when I actually asked questions about how to FIX something is a complete waste of time because some judges won't even bother to give a straight answer. What's the point?

Seeking perfection in simfiles is going to get you ABSOLUTELY nowhere because the users who are playing your game will not notice a good amount of the details that people are putting in.

Find another judge for me, I'm not judging on this team until I see a change in people's attitudes. It's not everyone, but there's people on the team who I simply don't agree with being on it for reasons of not being active with the site, not caring about the game, or not legitimately wanting to help someone out because they feel like flaunting around their elitism when no one gives a shit.

[bmah]

Complaint feedback form. If you care enough, fill out this form (not made yet though).

One on one basis for debated files (upon request) via PM or IM towards the judges in question.

Everything else is left as is.


simplicity is good

[AsphyxZero]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

between judging off of their preferences and what's right

That's what judging is, though. The judges were chosen (at least some of them, I've never seen a couple of this people ever make a file before) because they know simfiling (lol nerd fucen status) and have done it for a while. They know what's fun and what isn't. From what I've seen from the judges thoughts and notes, they didn't find it fun/good.

[Patashu]

solution to objective/subjective debate: make judges assign two ratings

I think I've already posted this

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by AsphyxZero

Then why did you send it?

Because I find it fun as hell as well as a lot of other people. It's got FFR file written all over it and really most of what's being nailed in it is purely subjective. As I said there were no two judges that had the same thing to say about it. Which means they aren't necessarily actual mistakes but just things that the judge didn't like about the file which is opinion. Which is why this subjective argument gets brought up again and again. There's just too vast a difference in opinions. In actuality what should matter is what the actual players want not judges who don't even play the game anymore or only play sm.

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

ugh, all this bitching about subjectivity is getting pretty damn annoying. Everyone is going to be subjective in some way when judging, you cant help it, thats just how it happens. People judging are supposed to look at files, pick out errors and give their thoughts on it. Being its their thoughts on the file of course its possible it will be subjective. That is why we have multiple judges so its not just one persons thought on a file determining whether or not the file is accepted or not. So how bout we drop the whole using subjectivity as your excuse for why your file got rejected or a certain rating and use the proper notes given and fix what was asked to be fixed in a file and leave it at that.

Being subjective and mentioning it is one thing taking a bunch of points off and rejecting a file for it is completely different. That's what he's trying to say. Where I just bolded as I said in my other post if I were to make every change to my file that each judge made my entire file would be different. It wouldn't be mine anymore it may as well have their names on it. Every judge had something different to say all throughout the file. So you tell me how I'm supposed to please all of them and still have the file feel like it's what I created in the 1st place.

Originally Posted by bmah

Going back to what I said here, I see that this file

The only reason this file is sparking anything is because it was used as an example and because it's mine it's automatically assumed that it's because we're together and not that it was simply being used to prove a point of something he's argued several times but apparently no one remembers that.

[t-rogdor]

Psychoangel doesn't want to fix her file because it won't be her file anymore? when i step a file and submit it to a pack, i expect things to be wrong with it and fix them. that doesn't make it not my file. if everyone had Psychoangel's mentality, nobody would fix any files because they wouldn't be theirs anymore. That's ****ing stupid.

PS, AJ, you said, outright that you wanted her file in the game and that was why you were defending it. You're more "subjective" than the judges themselves. h0h.




p.p.s: Judging is supposed to be subjective.

[dore]

4AM Q/B thread drama... oh yeah

[Plan_Bsk81127]

From here on out, if you dont like how the judges doing what they are supposed to do, dont waste your time submitting a file.

[bmah]

Well that isn't doing anything to solve the problem. While we cannot fully eliminate subjectivity, I know there are ways to improve upon it.

[AsphyxZero]

It's got FFR file written all over it

Define FFR file. When I think of FFR file, I think of a synthlight file. If you want to be compared to the stepping-prowess of synthlight, may God have mercy on your soul.

[bob bob]

knew my files would get rejected, haha

Its good to get feedback on them, might resubmit 1/2

Also sending new stuff to next batch (terminal 11 easy file weeeee)

[MarioNintendo]

Originally Posted by bob bob

knew my files would get rejected, haha

Its good to get feedback on them, might resubmit 1/2

Also sending new stuff to next batch (terminal 11 easy file weeeee)

See? That's the spirit! No need to be harsh on anyone's case after you read such a statement.

[bob bob]

feedback=best way to improve a file

multiple peoples feedback=4x the ways to improve the file

[bmah]

oh god bob bob, you're a breath of fresh air ^v^

(note however that comments are still to a degree not fully correlated to actual ratings, which is why debates still exist)

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by AsphyxZero

They know what's fun and what isn't. From what I've seen from the judges thoughts and notes, they didn't find it fun/good.

hmm....

The Final Hour (psychoangel691) - [+.]
Playtest: Hmm, sounds a lot like The Prototype, doesn't it? Fun file, especially the 8th jump sections. (and he was labeled the strict judge lol)

The Final Hour - In the beginning you overuse the jumps. Don't really need them to every single sound.
Same goes for the section around m50 that you do the same thing in.
Other than that this is fine. Just fix up those small sections. +?

The Final Hour [Psychoangel691]

Playtesting: File was fun


K it wasn't fun. Anyways I'm done even trying to get through to anyone on here because you guys only read what you wanna read and target stupid junk. Yes mentioning subjective stuff is good but it's bad to outright reject for it.

And I never said I didn't expect to make some fixes but we're talking about every damn aspect of the chart here. That's a bit different then making some fixes. The only judges suggestions that really made a lot of sense were Carlos' and okay I can make those fixes but then I don't get past the other two judges so it doesn't matter anyway. I would have to change way too much in this file is what I was saying but apparently that wasn't understood.

[bob bob]

Originally Posted by bmah

oh god bob bob, you're a breath of fresh air ^v^

That what im aiming for

[bmah]

And to be frankly honest, when this happened to me in the past, I never sent the file again. If the file had to be changed into something that I wouldn't remotely agree with, I remember sadly departing with the file and making something else. Fortunately, I have a LOT of stuff to step...