Agnosticism vs Atheism and Religions

[cry4eternity]

Originally Posted by mhss1992

I think I said I wasn't talking about an specific "God", at that moment. As a deist, I don't believe God intervenes. If I created a universe, I'd be very proud to see it working by itself and not having to babysit it all the time.

This is what I believe the most plausible definition of any god. There are no inconsistencies, but it also appears unnecessary. The universe would look exactly the same as if there were no deity, it seems.

Given your particular reason for being an "atheist", I'd say it's more coherent to call yourself an agnostic. If you think it's more "likely" for God not to exist, just read the second argument again.

I always thought agnosticism was a statement about knowledge whereas atheism is a statement about [lack of] belief. I would not call myself an agnostic because I say that there is a way we can falsify religious claims. If you can define a God in such a way that its existence necessarily implies something, and if this "something" can be found to be false, then the existence of the deity can also be determined to be false. If your definition of a God lacks predictive power, then it is a useless definition as it does not add to our understanding of the universe, and is just speculation as it cannot be tested.

Did you read about the possibility of God coming from another universe? How about an endless cycle?

Yeah, I've heard of the big bounce theory, but not the latter. Isn't that also just speculation?

No, thanks... I don't wanna get stressed trying to justify my beliefs yet again. I'm not trying to turn you into a deist, so just pretend I'm an agnostic.

Actually, the way I meant that was you had your beliefs pretty well thought out and I was congratulating you.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see this. Saving it for later sounds good. Have a nice day.