Queue/Batch Discussion Thread - Page 811

Exias · 11-9-2010, 01:09 PM

Awesome, once my song copyrights get back I'll submit my simfiles for them, but I don't really have give myself permission to use my own work now do I?

**TC_Halogen** · 11-9-2010, 01:18 PM

Well, unless if your music is on a record label, no need to give yourself permission.

**flashpantss** · 11-9-2010, 03:26 PM

If you guys want to use any of my songs, you have permission. I will constantly have new songs up.

http://flashpantss.newgrounds.com/

**bmah** · 11-9-2010, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

You sent the link to all judges via PM for sure.
and that link was still alive, I forwarded it again.

BTW I was thinking of 13 points or more as borderline but that's a bit harsh.
So, new idea is like these, this time.

[Accept]
+ + + (15)
+ + +. (14)
+ +. +. (13)
+ + +? (13)
+ + ? (12)
+ +. +? (12)
+. +. +. (12)
+ + - (11)

[Borderline]
+ +. ? (11)
+. +. +? (11)
+ +? +? (11)
+ +. - (10)

[Reject]
+. +. ? (10)
+. +? +? (10)

So the boundary between borderline and reject is within the point division of 10? How about setting the boundary between points, such as 9 is a reject and 10 is borderline? Also, consider the other combinations as suggested by Silvuh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashpantss

If you guys want to use any of my songs, you have permission. I will constantly have new songs up.

http://flashpantss.newgrounds.com/

Promote your songs on this thread: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=112805

**jimerax** · 11-9-2010, 10:46 PM

+ + - and + +. - are as good as 1 point higher reqs, since - in these case is considered to be "way too underrated".
so we can avoid rejecting files just because of one judge's rating.

also, + +? ? is a reject.

**dore** · 11-9-2010, 11:13 PM

makes sense to me because 10 is pretty weak if the judges are consistent with each other, but strong if two judges like it and the other hates it for some reason

**bmah** · 11-9-2010, 11:20 PM

That's pretty much the logic I'm hoping for there. That should fix the odds and ends that result from quantitative determination.

edit: dore, you were planning on cutting White Walls in half, right? If you can recall, can you specify where you want it cut?

**Patashu** · 11-9-2010, 11:20 PM

maybe strictly points based isn't the right way to formalize it, then?

i'm picturing it something like this: a file has an imaginary true rating, X, and the judges are three samples of this rating, varying according to some distribution (e.g. a normal distribution). using these three samples we can assign a distribution to the imaginary true rating, and if it is likely enough that it falls in accept we should accept it.

this means that a 'meh meh meh' 10 is weak because that assigns a low variance to the predicted true value, while a 'yes yes horrible' is stronger since it has more variance and a substantial chance it's in the 'accepted' range for real

**Silvuh** · 11-10-2010, 01:56 AM

Standard sum rating:
(disregarding standard deviation)
15 + + +
14 + + +.
13 + + +?, + +.+.
12 + + ? , + +.+?, +.+.+.
11 + + - , + +.? , + +?+?, +.+.+?
10 + +.- , + +?? , +.+.? , +.+?+?
09 + +?- , + ? ? , +.+.- , +.+?? , +?+?+?
08 + ? - , +.+?- , +.? ? , +?+??
07 + - - , +.? - , +?+?- , +?? ?
06 +.- - , +?? - , ? ? ?
05 +?- - , ? ? -
04 ? - -
03 - - -

Highest reasonable rating:
(adding the standard deviation)
15 + + +
14 + + +., + + +?
13 + + ? , + +.+., + + - , + +.+?
12 + +.? , + +?+?, + +.- , +.+.+.
11 +.+.+?, + +?? , +.+.? , + +?-
10 + ? ? = +.+.- , +.+?+?, + ? - , +.+??
09 +.+?- , + - - , +.? ? , +?+?+?
08 +?+?? , +.? - , +?+?-
07 +.- - , +?? ? , +?? -
06 +?- - , ? ? ?
05 ? ? -
04 ? - -
03 - - -

Lowest reasonable rating:
(subtracting the standard deviation)
15 + + +
14
13 + + +.
12 + +.+., +.+.+.
11 + + +?, + +.+?
10 +.+.+?, + + ?
09 + +?+?, + +.? , +.+?+?, +?+?+?
08 +.+.? , + + - , + +?? , +.+??
07 + +.- , +?+?? , + ? ? = +.+.- , + +?-
06 +.? ? , +.+?- , +?? ? , ? ? ?
05 + ? - , +?+?- , +.? - , +?? -
04 + - - , ? ? - , +.- -
03 +?- - , ? - - , - - -

Curved "balanced" rating:
(Adding or subtracting a curved standard deviation based on the direction of the variance)
15 + + +
14 + + +., + + +?
13 + + ?
12 + +.+., + +.?, + + -, + +.+?= +.+.+.
11 +.+.+?, + +.-, +.+.?
10 +.+.-
09 + +?+?, +.+?+?, +.+?- , + +?- = +.+?? = +?+?+?
08 + +?? , +.+.? , +?+?-
07 + ? ?
06 +.? ? , + ? - , +?? ? , +?? - = ? ? ?
05 + - - , +.? - , ? ? -
04 +.- -
03 +?- - , ? - - , - - -

Standard deviations:
(non-sequitur parenthetical for zen)
00 + + + , +.+.+., +?+?+?, ? ? ? , - - -
05 + + +., + +.+., +.+.+?, +.+?+?, +?+?? , +?? ? , ? ? - , ? - -
10 + +.+?, +.+?? , +?? -
11 + + +?, + +?+?, +.+.? , +.? ? , +?+?- , +?- -
15 + +.? , + +?? , +.+?- , +.? -
17 + + ? , + ? ? , +.+.- , +.- -
20 + +?-
21 + +.- , + ? -
23 + + - , + - -

(And they are ordered from highest to lowest in each row.)

... I hope this is useful somehow. It doesn't really help with the "likely" because I forgot how to do, like, confidence intervals and all that statistics-y stuff... Since after taking that AP test ... bwoop, aaaall gone...

**Patashu** · 11-10-2010, 02:00 AM

**bmah** · 11-10-2010, 02:02 AM

Oh, that works really nicely.
p.s. the colors help a lot for visual representation O.O

**dore** · 11-10-2010, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmah

edit: dore, you were planning on cutting White Walls in half, right? If you can recall, can you specify where you want it cut?

Yeah if you have to chop it up, I'd like the (12) in m262 to be the last note of part 1 and the first note of part 2 (with like a measure of two lead-in on part two, so that there's a little overlap and continuity).

**jimerax** · 11-10-2010, 02:08 AM

statistical analysis there

**Patashu** · 11-10-2010, 02:11 AM

so? even seemingly simple ideas like 'when you look at a book on amazon, you should be recommended books like it' requires data analytical techniques

**jimerax** · 11-10-2010, 02:18 AM

more like listing mean values of these combinations with error bars in a graph

trumaestro · 11-10-2010, 08:25 PM

Question!!
A while ago tass wanted a submission to have 2 seconds of silence added to the beginning of a song because of the sm to ffr converter cutting it off. Is this still needed?

**TC_Halogen** · 11-10-2010, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumaestro

Question!!
A while ago tass wanted a submission to have 2 seconds of silence added to the beginning of a song because of the sm to ffr converter cutting it off. Is this still needed?

Yes. Notes will otherwise get cut off.

**jimerax** · 11-10-2010, 08:30 PM

yeah because basically I'm still using the same (or similar) converter.

stavie33 · 11-10-2010, 08:43 PM

Are all the old submitted files still part of the batch? As in my Saikyou OX Keikaku file etc. that were sent in before the site crashed?

trumaestro · 11-10-2010, 09:12 PM

Do I put the 2 seconds in on just the mp3 or the steps as well?

11-9-2010, 01:09 PM	#16201
Exias FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Somewhere Age: 37 Posts: 52	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Awesome, once my song copyrights get back I'll submit my simfiles for them, but I don't really have give myself permission to use my own work now do I?

11-9-2010, 01:18 PM	#16202
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 34 Posts: 19,376	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Well, unless if your music is on a record label, no need to give yourself permission.

11-9-2010, 03:26 PM	#16203
flashpantss Party Hard Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,310	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread If you guys want to use any of my songs, you have permission. I will constantly have new songs up. http://flashpantss.newgrounds.com/ __________________ 10th in 5th Official Tournament in D3 3RD in Dragons Fury: Custom Tournament #5 in D5A Best AAA's= Frictional Nevada (FIRST FGO) Kyrie (ONI Get), Eradication, Of Course you Need and nEed and neEd and NEED ME, Cinnamon Roll (FIRST TO AAA)

11-9-2010, 10:46 PM	#16205
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread + + - and + +. - are as good as 1 point higher reqs, since - in these case is considered to be "way too underrated". so we can avoid rejecting files just because of one judge's rating. also, + +? ? is a reject.

11-9-2010, 11:13 PM	#16206
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 35 Posts: 6,317	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread makes sense to me because 10 is pretty weak if the judges are consistent with each other, but strong if two judges like it and the other hates it for some reason __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

11-9-2010, 11:20 PM	#16207
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 37 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread That's pretty much the logic I'm hoping for there. That should fix the odds and ends that result from quantitative determination. edit: dore, you were planning on cutting White Walls in half, right? If you can recall, can you specify where you want it cut?

11-9-2010, 11:20 PM	#16208
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 35 Posts: 8,609	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread maybe strictly points based isn't the right way to formalize it, then? i'm picturing it something like this: a file has an imaginary true rating, X, and the judges are three samples of this rating, varying according to some distribution (e.g. a normal distribution). using these three samples we can assign a distribution to the imaginary true rating, and if it is likely enough that it falls in accept we should accept it. this means that a 'meh meh meh' 10 is weak because that assigns a low variance to the predicted true value, while a 'yes yes horrible' is stronger since it has more variance and a substantial chance it's in the 'accepted' range for real __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

11-10-2010, 01:56 AM	#16209
Silvuh quit Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: anywhere but here Posts: 938	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Standard sum rating: (disregarding standard deviation) 15 + + + 14 + + +. 13 + + +?, + +.+. 12 + + ? , + +.+?, +.+.+. 11 + + - , + +.? , + +?+?, +.+.+? 10 + +.- , + +?? , +.+.? , +.+?+? 09 + +?- , + ? ? , +.+.- , +.+?? , +?+?+? 08 + ? - , +.+?- , +.? ? , +?+?? 07 + - - , +.? - , +?+?- , +?? ? 06 +.- - , +?? - , ? ? ? 05 +?- - , ? ? - 04 ? - - 03 - - - Highest reasonable rating: (adding the standard deviation) 15 + + + 14 + + +., + + +? 13 + + ? , + +.+., + + - , + +.+? 12 + +.? , + +?+?, + +.- , +.+.+. 11 +.+.+?, + +?? , +.+.? , + +?- 10 + ? ? = +.+.- , +.+?+?, + ? - , +.+?? 09 +.+?- , + - - , +.? ? , +?+?+? 08 +?+?? , +.? - , +?+?- 07 +.- - , +?? ? , +?? - 06 +?- - , ? ? ? 05 ? ? - 04 ? - - 03 - - - Lowest reasonable rating: (subtracting the standard deviation) 15 + + + 14 13 + + +. 12 + +.+., +.+.+. 11 + + +?, + +.+? 10 +.+.+?, + + ? 09 + +?+?, + +.? , +.+?+?, +?+?+? 08 +.+.? , + + - , + +?? , +.+?? 07 + +.- , +?+?? , + ? ? = +.+.- , + +?- 06 +.? ? , +.+?- , +?? ? , ? ? ? 05 + ? - , +?+?- , +.? - , +?? - 04 + - - , ? ? - , +.- - 03 +?- - , ? - - , - - - Curved "balanced" rating: (Adding or subtracting a curved standard deviation based on the direction of the variance) 15 + + + 14 + + +., + + +? 13 + + ? 12 + +.+., + +.?, + + -, + +.+?= +.+.+. 11 +.+.+?, + +.-, +.+.? 10 +.+.- 09 + +?+?, +.+?+?, +.+?- , + +?- = +.+?? = +?+?+? 08 + +?? , +.+.? , +?+?- 07 + ? ? 06 +.? ? , + ? - , +?? ? , +?? - = ? ? ? 05 + - - , +.? - , ? ? - 04 +.- - 03 +?- - , ? - - , - - - Standard deviations: (non-sequitur parenthetical for zen) 00 + + + , +.+.+., +?+?+?, ? ? ? , - - - 05 + + +., + +.+., +.+.+?, +.+?+?, +?+?? , +?? ? , ? ? - , ? - - 10 + +.+?, +.+?? , +?? - 11 + + +?, + +?+?, +.+.? , +.? ? , +?+?- , +?- - 15 + +.? , + +?? , +.+?- , +.? - 17 + + ? , + ? ? , +.+.- , +.- - 20 + +?- 21 + +.- , + ? - 23 + + - , + - - (And they are ordered from highest to lowest in each row.) ... I hope this is useful somehow. It doesn't really help with the "likely" because I forgot how to do, like, confidence intervals and all that statistics-y stuff... Since after taking that AP test ... bwoop, aaaall gone... __________________ Last edited by Silvuh; 11-18-2010 at 10:07 PM..

11-10-2010, 02:00 AM	#16210
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 35 Posts: 8,609	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread <3 __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

11-10-2010, 02:02 AM	#16211
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 37 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Oh, that works really nicely. p.s. the colors help a lot for visual representation O.O

11-10-2010, 02:08 AM	#16213
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread statistical analysis there

11-10-2010, 02:11 AM	#16214
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 35 Posts: 8,609	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread so? even seemingly simple ideas like 'when you look at a book on amazon, you should be recommended books like it' requires data analytical techniques __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

11-10-2010, 02:18 AM	#16215
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread more like listing mean values of these combinations with error bars in a graph

11-10-2010, 08:25 PM	#16216
trumaestro I don't get no respect Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 34 Posts: 1,332	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Question!! A while ago tass wanted a submission to have 2 seconds of silence added to the beginning of a song because of the sm to ffr converter cutting it off. Is this still needed?

11-10-2010, 08:30 PM	#16218
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread yeah because basically I'm still using the same (or similar) converter.

11-10-2010, 08:43 PM	#16219
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Are all the old submitted files still part of the batch? As in my Saikyou OX Keikaku file etc. that were sent in before the site crashed? __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

11-10-2010, 09:12 PM	#16220
trumaestro I don't get no respect Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 34 Posts: 1,332	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Do I put the 2 seconds in on just the mp3 or the steps as well?

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