English 12 AP

[Eeumi]

Any current english 12 AP students?

[tofurox]

You mean english AP in 12th grade? Here we call it English IV AP because it is your 4th year of highschool english.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Originally Posted by tofurox

You mean english AP in 12th grade? Here we call it English IV AP because it is your 4th year of highschool english.

Correct.

To answer OP: No, but I am currently taking English III Literature & Language AP. Have an A in the former and a B in the latter.

[Eeumi]

My real question was to see if anyone has applied the new and improved thesis statement formula in their essays.

[devonin]

There's enough of a difficulty in a thesis statement that there's a formula? Let alone new improvements to the formula?

Thesis statements are the single easiest part of the essay.

Make a general statement about the subject. Elaborate in more detail on the importance of that general statement. Explain what it is you're intending to argue or prove in the paper. Briefly list the general subjects you're going to refer to in order to argue your position. Press enter and tab and start your first body paragraph.

[RobertsonaIsBack]

10th grade english lol


im taking ap lit next year tho

[Litodude]

Wait 'till you get to the fun stuff where the teacher tells you to read poetry and analyze it in your own words but you soon find out there's a guide on how to analytically read poetry and that your understanding of what the author is trying to convey is completely wrong and you fail your mid-term composed of 2 Old English poems.


Not that it's happened to me and I screamed at the teacher or something then shoved my dick in her mouth when I scored a 5 on the AP test.

[~Zeta~]

AP Lit in senior year. There are no deadlines in my class. I turned in a month old paper for full credit. Also, spark notes are a godsend.

[Litodude]

^ quote this man because he knows what he's talking about

also,

copy+paste, right-click>synonym

[STD_Sappy]

Me :] The most amazing class I've ever been in. I'm being taught by someone that was managed by Ken Kesey (author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest).

I love the class.

[STD_Sappy]

Originally Posted by devonin

There's enough of a difficulty in a thesis statement that there's a formula? Let alone new improvements to the formula?

Thesis statements are the single easiest part of the essay.

Make a general statement about the subject. Elaborate in more detail on the importance of that general statement. Explain what it is you're intending to argue or prove in the paper. Briefly list the general subjects you're going to refer to in order to argue your position. Press enter and tab and start your first body paragraph.

I heard thesis statements go at the end of your introduction paragraph. If one would like to use an antithesis, that should go directly before your thesis statement, which is still the last sentence of your first paragraph. Everything before that is to inform the reader of what you're going to be writing about/hooking them in. The thesis should obviously just be an identification of what you're going to argue and/or try to prove.

I'm not sure, though, if a differentiating curriculum would oppose the way I had been taught to write an essay. (I'm almost sure it may, but I'm speaking from an MLA standpoint.)

Correct me if I'm wrong, please. :3

[Litodude]

You're right, speaking in terms of MLA format and in terms of grading, it's proper to have the thesis be the last sentence in your into. But you should always consider that it is just a generic guideline and you don't have to copy an outline exactly.

You mention that your thesis "hooks" the audience in, but that's also the job of the opening sentence. I assume you've been taught to open your essay with an exclamatory sentence, or an open-ended question the relates to the topic being written? That's a technique used to counter-act the boredom and monotony developed when reading research papers all day FOREVER. You can place your thesis statement anywhere, in any paragraph, as long as the message you're trying to convey is presented.

It's customary to put it in the intro, because as dev said, it's a general statement about the subject that you're interpreting.

[OneHandNow]

I'm in AP Literature (as a senior) and it comes after AP Language and Composition (in my school).

Thesis is the least of your worries.. if you have a good idea of what you're going to write and do a good job of it (in your body paragraphs), your thesis wouldn't be hard to write..

A good essay is one that is subtle but direct at the same time

[Iam90]

if you're reading an MLA guideline on writing intro paragraphs then you're probably incapable of writing a good essay

[STD_Sappy]

Originally Posted by Litodude

You're right, speaking in terms of MLA format and in terms of grading, it's proper to have the thesis be the last sentence in your into. But you should always consider that it is just a generic guideline and you don't have to copy an outline exactly.

You mention that your thesis "hooks" the audience in, but that's also the job of the opening sentence. I assume you've been taught to open your essay with an exclamatory sentence, or an open-ended question the relates to the topic being written? That's a technique used to counter-act the boredom and monotony developed when reading research papers all day FOREVER. You can place your thesis statement anywhere, in any paragraph, as long as the message you're trying to convey is presented.

It's customary to put it in the intro, because as dev said, it's a general statement about the subject that you're interpreting.

I never once said a thesis is a 'hook.' I said that (in MLA format) the hook would be the opening sentence.

From a personal perspective, I start my papers off with a quote (sometimes), or an aphorism, or whatever else. Even a question that would dig readers to continue reading for an answer, obviously still relating to the topic.

I guess MLA went about doing the whole 'put the thesis in your last sentence of your intro' because students probably got lost in organization or whatever. If it were up to me, I'd be all over the place in terms of how my essay is presented. I usually never follow all of the guidelines anyways (e.g writing 2 strong paragraphs as opposed to 3 mediocre ones) even though it's 'demanded' by the teacher. I feel putting a limit on how much one writes, or to simply meet a required amount of words, pages, paragraphs, etc. which leaves one to wonder into a gray zone of bull**** (when in reality, the person can write a killer essay with a lessened amount of requirements), then I feel the piece loses its effectiveness.

I still get great scores, but I guess that falls under what teacher you have and how strict they are to follow a higher entity's rules.

I hope I make sense, I am terribly exhausted and want to sleep, and I have 148354259 exams tomorrow (including my AP Lit exam), so uh, yeah FBGM

[STD_Sappy]

Originally Posted by Iam90

if you're reading an MLA guideline on writing intro paragraphs then you're probably incapable of writing a good essay

No, actually, an MLA guideline is *made* for writing a good essay, silly.

I personally feel it puts a limit on the writer's potential, but it can also save another 'incapable' writer's ass when need be. So I have my mixed feelings.

[Litodude]

lol, high school writing.


WHAT DO YOU MEAN 2 STRONG PARAGRAPHS YOU INSOLENT LITTLE PIECE OF SCUM THE WHOLE DAMN ESSAY SHOULD BE STRONG AND CONTAIN NO PROSE WHATSOEVER GET OUT OF MY HALL

Originally Posted by STD_Sappy

No, actually, an MLA guideline is *made* for writing a good essay, silly.

it was created to have grading standards for those that aren't comprehensively equipped...like i said before.

[STD_Sappy]

Originally Posted by Litodude

lol, high school writing.


WHAT DO YOU MEAN 2 STRONG PARAGRAPHS YOU INSOLENT LITTLE PIECE OF SCUM THE WHOLE DAMN ESSAY SHOULD BE STRONG AND CONTAIN NO PROSE WHATSOEVER GET OUT OF MY HALL




it was created to have grading standards for those that aren't comprehensively equipped...like i said before.

*like* oh wait, this isn't facebook

[devonin]

I prefer APA to MLA, but pretty much every highschool teacher in the humanities prefers MLA because it's easier to read and they are lazy.

Pretty much every university professor in the humanities though, required only that it be "properly and consistantly" cited and formatted. So really you could use whichever system you preferred.

[rushyrulz]

I learned more history than english in English IV. But yeah, I stopped taking that crap in high school. I'm hucking forrible at English/History. I agree with devonin in that the thesis statement is the easiest part of the paper. You usually have it in your head before you even start writing.