NSane Presents: The Timing System! - Page 4

**NSane** · 11-15-2009, 10:13 PM

It's being released now. Expect it most likely before 12:00 AM EST.

Edit: or whenever LD uploads it, it's in his hands now.

**jimerax** · 11-15-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

Yeah back in ancient FFR when it had a completely different layout the perfect windows were retardedly small. I got more goods than perfects on the engine lmao

This could definitely be a good addition for tournaments.

"avmiss" option might reproduce it even better.
I'm not sure it's possible tho

**Sprite-** · 11-15-2009, 11:13 PM

Lol 2 weeks later.

**jimerax** · 11-16-2009, 12:50 AM

also for stricter timings syncing is even more important in my opinion.

adjusting the syncing on all of those files might be a pretty huge work

**XXXsmittyXXX** · 11-16-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by woker-X

Re-AAA Synth files on flawless... ewwwww

lol i missed this. Bad idea, horrible idea, wont do it.

**Patashu** · 11-16-2009, 06:11 AM

the problem with 1-frame timing is random notes will require nigh-godlike precision to hit or knowing visually when to hit a bit late early. imagine a note in the music that sounds almost exactly on the boundary between two frames when a .swf is made of it; even if your MA is very very good you have roughly a 50% chance to hit a good just playing to the music

2-frame timing also has this problem but only half the time; if the extra frame is a bit early, what if the note is just barely within the boundary toward the late frame? again, playing to the music, roughly a 50% chance of hitting a good

such tight timing forces an element of visual timing to work with the quantization that imho shouldn't be there

you'd have to retroactively integrate a continuous judgment system into ffr. I dunno what the code's like but that might be a huge revamp

**GG_Guru** · 11-16-2009, 07:09 AM

Where is the LD?

MinaciousGrace · 11-16-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GG_Guru

Where is the LD?

i disagree

stargroup · 11-16-2009, 09:50 AM

yay, just what we need. stricter timing

this won't completely conflict with the combo system at all

think about it: score based on combo + strict judging

probably one of the worst scoring engines known to mankind

**NSane** · 11-16-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stargroup

yay, just what we need. stricter timing

this won't completely conflict with the combo system at all

think about it: score based on combo + strict judging

probably one of the worst scoring engines known to mankind

You aren't making a bit of sense, as this doesn't affect combo one bit.

**Ghakimx** · 11-16-2009, 10:00 AM

He's talking about the score system, since its based on Combo x Arrow Judgment

**NSane** · 11-16-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghakimx

He's talking about the score system, since its based on Combo x Arrow Judgment

Well either way you don't "have" to use this option. Just provides more of a challenge to the top tier players and anyone who wants to experiment.

**jimerax** · 11-16-2009, 10:38 AM

If all timing windows including average/good get narrower, it will be a bit harder to mash FC due to the widened miss/boo range (in terms of "life"). Considering it still doesn't have combo breaker there won't be big difference in combo difficulty though.

this is an optional feature so at least this feature doesn't make things worse at all.

**Sprite-** · 11-16-2009, 11:26 AM

Well at least it doesn't make scores easier to achieve.
And it will probably never be added anyways since it apparently is a lot of work to upload a file via ftp. /sarcasm

**qqwref** · 11-16-2009, 02:43 PM

About combo scoring: how about we shorten the perf/good windows, but make the hit window the same size by filling in the rest with averages? Nobody wants averages, so that'd provide a huge penalty against mashing on high judges, but the combo would be the same whatever judgment you were using, so it would be a lot less frustrating to try to FC stuff.

I guess good windows should be ~twice the size of the perfect window, so maybe we could do something like
normal: AGPPPGG
strict: AAGPPGA
flawless: AAGPGAA

**NSane** · 11-16-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qqwref

About combo scoring: how about we shorten the perf/good windows, but make the hit window the same size by filling in the rest with averages? Nobody wants averages, so that'd provide a huge penalty against mashing on high judges, but the combo would be the same whatever judgment you were using, so it would be a lot less frustrating to try to FC stuff.

I guess good windows should be ~twice the size of the perfect window, so maybe we could do something like
normal: AGPPPGG
strict: AAGPPGA
flawless: AAGPGAA

Yeah, I didn't mess with the miss frame at all. So only Perf / Good / Average are different.

**Go_Oilers_Go** · 11-16-2009, 03:46 PM

This is good. These new timing systems should essentially negate button mashing, right?

mhss1992 · 11-16-2009, 03:59 PM

Awesome.
And mirror will be public? Cool!

X Seraphim X · 11-16-2009, 06:33 PM

I can't wait!!

This will make somethings easier and other things more of a challenge for me

stargroup · 11-16-2009, 07:46 PM

oh miss frame wasn't affected

that changes things

carry on

11-15-2009, 10:13 PM	#61
NSane Retired Staff Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 475	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! It's being released now. Expect it most likely before 12:00 AM EST. Edit: or whenever LD uploads it, it's in his hands now. __________________ Retired from FFR/Stepmania Playing Hearthstone now Highest Hearthstone Rank: Legend Lannix#1632 @ Americas Last edited by NSane; 11-15-2009 at 11:04 PM..

11-15-2009, 11:13 PM	#63
Sprite- HAVE ME WITH VODKA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Age: 35 Posts: 7,316	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! Lol 2 weeks later.

11-16-2009, 12:50 AM	#64
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! also for stricter timings syncing is even more important in my opinion. adjusting the syncing on all of those files might be a pretty huge work

11-16-2009, 06:11 AM	#66
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 33 Posts: 8,609	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! the problem with 1-frame timing is random notes will require nigh-godlike precision to hit or knowing visually when to hit a bit late early. imagine a note in the music that sounds almost exactly on the boundary between two frames when a .swf is made of it; even if your MA is very very good you have roughly a 50% chance to hit a good just playing to the music 2-frame timing also has this problem but only half the time; if the extra frame is a bit early, what if the note is just barely within the boundary toward the late frame? again, playing to the music, roughly a 50% chance of hitting a good such tight timing forces an element of visual timing to work with the quantization that imho shouldn't be there you'd have to retroactively integrate a continuous judgment system into ffr. I dunno what the code's like but that might be a huge revamp __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png Last edited by Patashu; 11-16-2009 at 06:14 AM..

11-16-2009, 07:09 AM	#67
GG_Guru Let em' do what they want Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,219	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! Where is the LD? __________________

11-16-2009, 09:50 AM	#69
stargroup FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 974	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! yay, just what we need. stricter timing this won't completely conflict with the combo system at all think about it: score based on combo + strict judging probably one of the worst scoring engines known to mankind __________________ (´･ω･`)

11-16-2009, 10:00 AM	#71
Ghakimx Cutie&Handshaking Sounds Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Xingapore Posts: 1,594	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! He's talking about the score system, since its based on Combo x Arrow Judgment __________________ I AM ASHAMED OF MY STUPIDITY AND MUST COMMIT SEPPUKU. FORGIVE ME, FFR. Ninjas NEVER die. Now on a 30 kill streak.

11-16-2009, 10:38 AM	#73
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! If all timing windows including average/good get narrower, it will be a bit harder to mash FC due to the widened miss/boo range (in terms of "life"). Considering it still doesn't have combo breaker there won't be big difference in combo difficulty though. this is an optional feature so at least this feature doesn't make things worse at all.

11-16-2009, 11:26 AM	#74
Sprite- HAVE ME WITH VODKA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Age: 35 Posts: 7,316	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! Well at least it doesn't make scores easier to achieve. And it will probably never be added anyways since it apparently is a lot of work to upload a file via ftp. /sarcasm

11-16-2009, 02:43 PM	#75
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! About combo scoring: how about we shorten the perf/good windows, but make the hit window the same size by filling in the rest with averages? Nobody wants averages, so that'd provide a huge penalty against mashing on high judges, but the combo would be the same whatever judgment you were using, so it would be a lot less frustrating to try to FC stuff. I guess good windows should be ~twice the size of the perfect window, so maybe we could do something like normal: AGPPPGG strict: AAGPPGA flawless: AAGPGAA __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

11-16-2009, 03:46 PM	#77
Go_Oilers_Go <<Insert Title Here>> Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Regina, SK, Canada Age: 34 Posts: 1,436	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! This is good. These new timing systems should essentially negate button mashing, right?

11-16-2009, 03:59 PM	#78
mhss1992 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! Awesome. And mirror will be public? Cool! __________________ jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0 Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats) Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday.

11-16-2009, 06:33 PM	#79
X Seraphim X FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 18	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! I can't wait!! This will make somethings easier and other things more of a challenge for me

11-16-2009, 07:46 PM	#80
stargroup FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 974	Re: NSane Presents: The Timing System! oh miss frame wasn't affected that changes things carry on __________________ (´･ω･`)

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