Teachers: Should they be paid more? - Page 2

deltro300111 · 02-17-2005, 04:42 PM

*is served*

**stretchypanda** · 02-17-2005, 05:39 PM

P-A-I-D.

Jesus Christ.

The_Q · 02-18-2005, 10:54 PM

Alright, here's the thing. What makes number of teachers in Oklahoma so low? Is it the student to teacher ratio? Who did the poll about it? If I get some data I might be able to do something with it.

Deltro, if you even suggest that people should do things for the sake of doing them again you might as well be kicked out of CT. It's breaking economics law number 2: Incentives matter. By saying that teachers should teach because it should be that they want to teach (which is good but not true) you're saying that pay is nothing to them. If there's no pay where did the incentive to work go? What would happen if you desire to share knowledge with others diminished? Your quality of work would diminish. If you work for money that's never a problem (until you realize that no matter what happens your pay goes down, in which case you find a new job. Yay for marginal disvalue curves!) Your desire to get more money would normally last longer anyway. Your being greedy causes me to benefit from your better services!

Yes, it's true that I want to teach when I'm older. I'm looking forward to making a living off of teaching a college class or two, doing loads of reasearch and publishing several books of simplified economics to the masses. You know that would be an awesome book. You know it.

Q

**Cenright** · 02-19-2005, 10:56 AM

If you increase pay, you need to increase the bar for the qualifications of teachers. Either that, or you have to lay off teachers to keep budgets from getting out of hand.

That is the case where I live.

Besides, pay the teachers higher in your area, and the taxes are higher in your area. The children aren't the ones rating the teacher on who should get a raise though, so the bad teachers are gaining money too.

**Tasselfoot** · 02-19-2005, 01:24 PM

Children, no. But in HS... well, lets just say my English teacher from senior year didn't come back for her second year. Damn bitch woulda given Squeek nightmares with her grammar mistakes.

The_Q · 02-19-2005, 02:04 PM

So that would make taxes too high? Then let's privatize it! Would it not be great to have a greater competition between teachers (which either produces better teachers or diminishes the number of crappy teachers) and at the same time should lower the prices of private schooling.

My last argument against raising the salaries of teachers: are there currently people in a waiting list to become teachers? Yes. From this I would assume that the pay is good enough for there to be people actually waiting to get the job.

Q

**alainbryden** · 02-19-2005, 05:11 PM

No. You cannot privatize education. I don't know if you were being serious. There is a much greater importance at stake then immediate economic feasability. If you privatize education, then you are cutting a whole lot of people out of ever being able to have a fair start at life, and you are causing future employment standards to deteriorate to the level of uneducated supply that will subsequently follow.

**Kilgamayan** · 02-19-2005, 07:17 PM

Q only cares about maximizing happiness for this generation (specifically, himself) so that argument is moot if you're directing it at him.

**alainbryden** · 02-19-2005, 07:44 PM

He'll change his mind when he has kids.

**Kilgamayan** · 02-19-2005, 08:04 PM

Kids aren't very cost-effective.

The_Q · 02-19-2005, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Kids aren't very cost-effective.

Benefits aren't always measured in money.

Q

**alainbryden** · 02-20-2005, 01:23 AM

did Q just place something before money? Oh the things love does.

02-17-2005, 04:42 PM	#21
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02-19-2005, 10:56 AM	#24
Cenright You thought I was a GUY?! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Beaumont (A town with 25 times fewer people than this site) Age: 37 Posts: 3,139	If you increase pay, you need to increase the bar for the qualifications of teachers. Either that, or you have to lay off teachers to keep budgets from getting out of hand. That is the case where I live. Besides, pay the teachers higher in your area, and the taxes are higher in your area. The children aren't the ones rating the teacher on who should get a raise though, so the bad teachers are gaining money too. __________________ http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...Cube_in_55.mpg

02-19-2005, 01:24 PM	#25
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Children, no. But in HS... well, lets just say my English teacher from senior year didn't come back for her second year. Damn bitch woulda given Squeek nightmares with her grammar mistakes. __________________ RIP

02-19-2005, 05:11 PM	#27
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	No. You cannot privatize education. I don't know if you were being serious. There is a much greater importance at stake then immediate economic feasability. If you privatize education, then you are cutting a whole lot of people out of ever being able to have a fair start at life, and you are causing future employment standards to deteriorate to the level of uneducated supply that will subsequently follow. __________________ ~NEIGH

02-19-2005, 07:17 PM	#28
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 39 Posts: 6,583	Q only cares about maximizing happiness for this generation (specifically, himself) so that argument is moot if you're directing it at him. __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

02-17-2005, 05:39 PM	#22
stretchypanda shock me shock me Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texas Age: 39 Posts: 4,123	P-A-I-D. Jesus Christ.

02-18-2005, 10:54 PM	#23
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	Alright, here's the thing. What makes number of teachers in Oklahoma so low? Is it the student to teacher ratio? Who did the poll about it? If I get some data I might be able to do something with it. Deltro, if you even suggest that people should do things for the sake of doing them again you might as well be kicked out of CT. It's breaking economics law number 2: Incentives matter. By saying that teachers should teach because it should be that they want to teach (which is good but not true) you're saying that pay is nothing to them. If there's no pay where did the incentive to work go? What would happen if you desire to share knowledge with others diminished? Your quality of work would diminish. If you work for money that's never a problem (until you realize that no matter what happens your pay goes down, in which case you find a new job. Yay for marginal disvalue curves!) Your desire to get more money would normally last longer anyway. Your being greedy causes me to benefit from your better services! Yes, it's true that I want to teach when I'm older. I'm looking forward to making a living off of teaching a college class or two, doing loads of reasearch and publishing several books of simplified economics to the masses. You know that would be an awesome book. You know it. Q

02-19-2005, 02:04 PM	#26
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	So that would make taxes too high? Then let's privatize it! Would it not be great to have a greater competition between teachers (which either produces better teachers or diminishes the number of crappy teachers) and at the same time should lower the prices of private schooling. My last argument against raising the salaries of teachers: are there currently people in a waiting list to become teachers? Yes. From this I would assume that the pay is good enough for there to be people actually waiting to get the job. Q

02-19-2005, 07:44 PM	#29
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	He'll change his mind when he has kids. __________________ ~NEIGH

02-19-2005, 08:04 PM	#30
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 39 Posts: 6,583	Kids aren't very cost-effective. __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

02-20-2005, 01:23 AM	#32
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	did Q just place something before money? Oh the things love does. __________________ ~NEIGH

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