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Old 02-13-2005, 06:45 PM   #21
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http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

Link at the bottom of the Rednova article.
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Old 02-13-2005, 06:48 PM   #22
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http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

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Old 02-13-2005, 07:13 PM   #23
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We build a huge space-ship, and whenever this thing goes crazy off the charts, we evacuate the world
for a while. That way we can be safe. Not to mock it too much though, it looks like it could develop into something interesting.
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Old 02-13-2005, 07:20 PM   #24
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Absolutely unbelievable. I'm telling you, there are alot of people willing to believe anything out there. I'm not giving this thing an ounce of credibility until a real new station covers it. Anyone can post anything they want on the internet for any sucker to believe or not. It has no support from any provent intelligencia, therefore, it is not credible enough for me. If it is for you, so be it.
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Old 02-13-2005, 07:23 PM   #25
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Absolutely unbelievable. I'm telling you, there are alot of people willing to believe anything out there. I'm not giving this thing an ounce of credibility until a real new station covers it. Anyone can post anything they want on the internet for any sucker to believe or not. It has no support from any provent intelligencia, therefore, it is not credible enough for me. If it is for you, so be it.
Ever heard of Princeton? You know, that really respected college?

You know the one!

It's on their website. I would say thats credible enough.
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Old 02-13-2005, 07:30 PM   #26
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Not for me it isn't. Anyone could pay to host something on someone elses site if they wanted to.
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Old 02-13-2005, 08:51 PM   #27
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What I want to see, from this story and from all the other paranormal stuff, is proof. Not the random, uncontrolled, after-the-fact proof; I mean actual proof like we have for every other thing in reality. When you spend years searching for a pattern in "random" numbers, you're likely to imagine or force events to exist that didn't. And besides, the amount of assumptions that go into their explanations of how the "black box" works makes it unlikely in the extreme. IF times goes two ways and IF people can remember what hasn't happened and IF the event registers on every mind in the world and IF it affects random number generators and IF they are truly random number generators, THEN . . . we can't do jack. It doesn't even help if it did work.

"Something big is gonna happen!"
"What?"
"Umm . . . we don't know."
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Old 02-14-2005, 12:18 AM   #28
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Agreed 100%. Case closed as far as I'm concerned. The idea is not only unlikely true, but useless in essence. So much for that.
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Old 02-15-2005, 12:14 AM   #29
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It just means people can brace for impact. Of course, If we ever do rely any on it. The black box is going to predict something, there will panic, and it will fulfill itself, and everyone will herald the box as all mighty.

Coming from a religous side, I do give it credibility. I call it Demon intervention, creating just another god for men to say they know better.

Sorry, I really wasn't trying to sound like a screaming pilgrim.
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Old 02-15-2005, 05:09 PM   #30
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I'm confused at what was said about being able to tamper with random number generators with your mind. First, as said before, this contradicts the meaning of 'random' itself. Second, I'm completely skeptical of this because I haven't heard it from anywhere else. If I got a bunch of friends to gather 'round while I pull out my TI-83 Plus and start up the probability simulator, we could change the results?

Lastly, the whole thing about 'They're afraid of releasing this information because they don't want to be ridiculed' seems incredibly fishy. If you do an experiment to see if something unusual will happen, and that unusual thing does, but you're afraid of being ridiculed, why do the experiment in the first place?

Alright, that's out of the way. Due to my lack of knowledge of magnetic fields, I can't really say much about that. But I still don't understand what could make a black box that spits out random variations of 0 and 1 special. If it truly is the anxiety of people making these patterns go out of whack, shouldn't it also affect any other random number generator? And was the microchip in this black box created differently than other random number generators? Above that, by who? Did the little orphan black box that could finally find a home?

Okay, that was kind of stupid. Anyway, one more thing. As much as I feel I can completely disregard the information given in this article, the fact that it talks about future predicting intrigues me a little. I want to know if these results from the people reacting to the depicted scenes and everything are really as consistent as the author(s?) of claim them to be. If I dig up more on this, and find that a lot of credible sources state the same things, that's when I'll be truly interested.

Of course, that's just about the future predicting thing. I still consider the black box to be a hoax, especially because of Alain's and DracIV's arguments. Sorry LD ;D
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Old 02-15-2005, 06:42 PM   #31
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Wait...if it can see into the future, and thus predict tragedies and the like, then (assuming it became a crediable source) if it predicted a tragedy, wouldnt it also be able to predict itself predicting a tragedy, having people prepare thus causing the tragedy not to happen, therefore it would not predict a tragedy and thus the tragedy would occur?
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Old 02-15-2005, 06:47 PM   #32
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lol. Winner.
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:50 PM   #33
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Deep stuff, man. But I don't know if that's really what the thing does.

Alright, some religions tend to believe in a uniting force through the world and all creation. Assuming that such a force exists, the strange reactions of that box may be picking up fluctuations in the said force. Of course, you can take that or leave that as you will, and I'm not saying that it's true. I still don't know what to make of it. But if it really works, that's my rationality of it. What I'm saying is, it's like a seismograph, just on a different level.
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Old 02-16-2005, 07:52 PM   #34
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Deep stuff, man. But I don't know if that's really what the thing does.
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Old 02-16-2005, 09:16 PM   #35
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There's no way to say for sure what it really does. I don't think one of you is completely right, though. Both theories, those of Neonatrias and jewpinthethird, make a lot of sense in their own rights. I would have to say that maybe both of your statements, combined somehow, seems even more probable that either one alone.
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Old 02-16-2005, 09:30 PM   #36
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It is cool...BUT I doubt it can peer into the future. Anyone watch that Bible Code special on the history channel. Acrostics in the bible predicted things that happened (asassinations, terrorist attacks, etc...). Then again, so did Moby Dick. If you look hard enough, you can say that what im typing now (if I kept going on for a while) predicted the American Revolution.
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Old 02-16-2005, 10:10 PM   #37
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Maybe that is because the American Revolution already occured, Nostradamus. The point you were trying to make is that anyone writing something long enough will create a pattern that can be interpreted as a "prediction" of the future. It is along the lines of putting 100 monkeys in a room for eternity and they will eventually write Shakespeare. Or, it is like statistics. Give me data and I'll use statistics to tell you whatever you want it to tell you.
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Old 02-16-2005, 10:45 PM   #38
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Glad you get my point there. In fact I dug up the whole thing about Moby Dick. http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html It's worth taking a look at.
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Old 02-17-2005, 01:01 AM   #39
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Wait...if it can see into the future, and thus predict tragedies and the like, then (assuming it became a crediable source) if it predicted a tragedy, wouldnt it also be able to predict itself predicting a tragedy, having people prepare thus causing the tragedy not to happen, therefore it would not predict a tragedy and thus the tragedy would occur?
Interesting. But anyway, I'm not sure if I believe in this whole thing or not.

Another thought idea: What if the box predicts something and people react to it in a panic, and do something like what Tps said and launch a spaceship, and then that spaceship blows up on the launch pad? That would mean it was the cause of the event, because if it had never gone haywire, the spaceship never would have launched and blown up. Then that means that it didn't really predict the future- rather, it caused a future event.

So this is an argument against ever being able to use the black box- it may "predict" events by making them happen. If the black box's warning was not heeded, nothing would have happened. If its predictions actually happen to be true and humanity prepares for a large disaster, something totally unexpected may happen. So basically, the world just has to sit back and watch while disaster happens.

My supporting paragraph may not be very coherent, and I apologize (It's really late right now) but I do like the thought idea.
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:11 PM   #40
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I also thought of something interesting. . . if these random number generators really reacted to 9/11, it would not have been a SPIKE four hours beforehand. It would have been a constantly rising amount of deviation with a massive spike at the 10 minutes between the two plane hits. That is the required pattern for their explanation to be true. However, since it spiked (random, common occurance) and it was off by four hours, they are only reaching for an explanation and it is complete BS. So it has no evidence, no use, and even what they had was interpreted wrong.
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