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Old 01-25-2005, 03:46 PM   #21
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Alain, just postign "I agree with _________ entirely" or something that resembles such a post without valid points to add to it. The Critical Thinking board is not for "I agree," it is for "This is what I think and why." It is for discussion. If you will not discuss, don't post.

Now, back onto the topic. I honestly believe that there needs to be a separation of church and state for a proper democracy, or in our case a democratic-republic, to succeed. There still needs to be such a separation. For instance, recently a child brought a bunch of pencils to school in order to give them in the gift exchange his school was hosting. The pencils had the words "Jesus loves you" on them. They were taken away. That is not separation of church and state but rather a state's interference with the church. Because there are other religions and minorities who oppose the evangelism in public schools the government decides to supress the evangelism. This is not only just inches from a violation of first ammendment rights that the U.S. gives me but it is also violates one of the principles our founding fathers agreed upon (even if the fathers were greedy white scrooges).

What kind of a tolerant society keeps a people from making certain personal choices (even homosexuality)? The school board taking up the pencils is ruling in the minority's favor because if they don't they'll end up with a lawsuit. Our problem is not intolerance from the majority but the intolerance from the minorities If minorities, such as the Muslim family who took caused the pencils to be taken, were to be more tolerant we would not run into these religious fiascos quite as often. Not only would a higher tolerance end up saving many people socially but it is an economically wise decision. To be more tolerant means that more business between people can be made.

I'd go into a rant about homosexuality and all sorts of discrimination but that's thread hijacking, isn't it torres?

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Old 01-25-2005, 03:56 PM   #22
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:P it might be...how am i supposed to make decisions like that? Okay, actually I'm just wondering if you're indicating that I've changed the subject on you all. Just explain your last sentence...
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:24 PM   #23
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He is explaining your nature of making posts that aren't relavent to the topic at hand, including the very one you just made asking what he was saying.

Please. This is the CT forum. Keep your discussions intellectual. If you have retarded questions to ask about a particular thread, use PMs or AIM to ask someone about it. Some will be happy to discuss the material with you on a lower level to help explain it to you.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:35 PM   #24
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I agree Q. The government and law places too much favoritism in the would be supressed minorities. They openly express it as an attempt to compensate for past hardships, but I believe, as you, that the inversion of the imbalance is unecessary and undermines the concept of fairness that was really the whole point in the first place. A similar example is in feminism but as you said, I won't change the topic of this thread. Equal rights mean equal rights, less right for the person who used to have more rights. We don't act insulted when a person talks about their Buddah, we just accept the difference of belief and move on. Minorities should not be able to cry conversion each time christianity is publicly mentioned. I do believe in discouraging and even forbidding evangelism though. That certainly is an invasion of personal beliefs and comfort. No on should have the right to consider it their duty to convert others at any cost.

Also, yes torres, you did change the topic, although all good conversations slowly sway, sometimes dramatically from their topic, and what you did doesn't merit the term hijacking, just make sure you finish on a relevant note, especially this early in the thread. Q you're right and I appologise for being brief. My intention was to compliment Charlotte for his ideas.
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I just want to add to this debate the fact that "marriage" was going on before Christianity. It took place in African tribes, among other places. If two homosexual people want to get married why stop them? Who is it hurting? Freedom is being able to do what you want to do as long as it does not harm others. It would seem that taking the right of marriage away from homosexuals would indeed be limiting their freedom, something I don't think should be going on in the United States, where freedom was one of the key ideals of the founding fathers.
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I just want to add to this debate the fact that "marriage" was going on before Christianity. It took place in African tribes, among other places. If two homosexual people want to get married why stop them? Who is it hurting? Freedom is being able to do what you want to do as long as it does not harm others. It would seem that taking the right of marriage away from homosexuals would indeed be limiting their freedom, something I don't think should be going on in the United States, where freedom was one of the key ideals of the founding fathers.
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Seriously, read up a few posts, this thread isn't about gay marriage.
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Old 02-8-2005, 10:42 PM   #27
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you started it charlotte...lol.

I think church and state should be seperate.
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Old 02-8-2005, 10:51 PM   #28
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huh? Seperation of church and state is the main topic of this thread.

I didn't have anything substantial to say because I believe it's already been said well by everyone else.

I'm sorry that I'm sorta being the Devil's advocate of CT but it's soo much fun..lol.
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Old 02-9-2005, 12:28 AM   #30
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If you don't have anything to say DON'T POST, and especially don't bump a dead thread! This is critical thinking. Don't wreck it because you aren't capapble of doing even the latter of those two words. You have said nothing that contributes to this community at all since your first post. Take your crap to the garbage bin if you enjoy seeing your name on the internet, or head over to arch0wl dot com. I've had about enough of you.
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Old 02-9-2005, 12:44 AM   #31
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navyseal, don't bump dead topics.

Alain, stop taking shots at a0.com :|
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