Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

[Karimono]

Originally Posted by Zybanthia

I realize this is what made Touhou popular, but it's really hard to play. And don't get me wrong... I like the other games. You can of course still get good at this game, it just requires more work on the player's part than it should.

Ok, except for the "than it should", because there is no "should be some way in particular" in the first place.

Originally Posted by ddr_f4n

Actually she made it 4th.

I'm blind.

Originally Posted by ddr_f4n

Also, she's popular for many things. First off, she's the second shrine maiden. Also, she's another human who fell in from the outside world. In doujinshi, she's highly abused in many ways, both embarrassingly and in NSFW ways, almost as much as Alice. She's highly attractive (well the fan-art is), and she's also very innocent-looking. Many people would love to meet her as soon as they enter Gensokyo.

I'm blind.

I don't not like her. Her origin and relation to the Suwa lake is very fascinating, as well as what could be imagined of her ties to the real world (although Yuyuko's high school days and its relation to why Yuyuko and Yakumo are friends are a lot more interesting...). It's just very hard to find a position for her, as well as the inhabitants of the second shrine, in a story connected to the other portions of a separate Touhou plotline because they're not part of the death cycle, nor are they a unique (nonoriental) addition to Gensoukyou. The only purpose they might serve is as a benchmark between the tengu region and the chuuu path to where the shinigami are. Now that I think about it, where do the dead first originate? I know they pass the chuuu path behind the Youkai Mountain to where the death gods wait to pass the Sanzu river to Higan, where the Enma decide whether you go the Tenkai, Jigoku, or Meikai (or Makai, although I'm not sure what happened to Makai as a position in Gensoukyou). Do the dead originate at the top of the mountain where the tengu live? Maybe there's some kind of summoning circle there. Or do they arrive from all over the place to find themselves suddenly going through the Chuuu path? That seems very unorganized. Does that mean that tengu and kappa allow certain ghosts to pass through their territory? Considering that Meikai ghosts can easily arrive at Youkai Mountain, I don't think that's really possible. I like thinking about these kinds of things.

I doubt we could meet her even if we got into Gensoukyou no matter how hard we tried.

Originally Posted by ddr_f4n

Also, Sanae's a good girl *pat pat*.

I see: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5086463

but I'm still blind.

(The electric flute series is still very active, and very improved http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/5221166)

Oh, and this is what I meant by the Kannaduki OP, which is pretty good. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm5919692

Sangetsusei 2 was interesting, especially how ZUN used the tsuchinoko and the valley with the hexagonal pillars found at the foot of old volcanoes. I don't think the original idea of the tsuchinoko had the ability to grow roots rapidly like that. Does the valley come out as a setting in any other official storyline?

One thing that became clear from reading Sangetsusei 2 is that Genjii is still alive, and that Reimu has a pond, which Genjii inhabits, behind the shrine. Also, even if the setting is very oriental, ZUN doesn't forget to place the Orthodox celestial calendar in juxtaposition to the Oriental one, making Lucifer fight Sol to determine the power of the youkai in Gensoukyou for the year. I found that very interesting. Also again, I guess the internals of Hakurei Jinja isn't that complicated, assuming that the statue of the god takes up most of the central space. She only has room for a chuubou, ima, and genkan according to what I saw when Cirno and the trio did their carp ball scheme.

Lastly, do any of you comment on nicovideos? I've seen English comments a lot more recently. Just wondering if any of them were from you.

I want Sangetsusei 0. I believe I'm missing something quite important. That map that you gave me earlier isn't accurate anymore (nor was it that accurate in the first place...)

Another question: Tenkai is supposed to be above Meikai in position, but in SWR, most characters climb the Youkai Mountain. Although most of the setting sequences in SWR is random, it has a somewhat correlated correlation with how Gensoukyou looks according to Akyu. Is Tenkai expansive enough to reach the Youkai Mountain? Does the Tenkai itself have any barrier like the Meikai? Or is the Tenkai region just anywhere with land above a certain altitude? There also needs to be a place where the Ryuuguu live in Tenkai.