Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in

somethingillremember · 01-26-2009, 10:24 PM

I posted this question on Yahoo Answers, shortly before realizing that nobody was going to answer it, so I thought I'd post it here to see if I got better results. Here's my question:

So I have a free Audio Unit synthesizer on Garageband called Automat, which is really nice for wave manipulation (good delays, modulation, etc.), but the oscillator waves and the samples it gives you to do stuff with really suck. Another free synthesizer I have, Crystal, is just the opposite. It has good samples and wave generators, but its interface is really annoying, and it's harder to work with. Automat, however, has an option for its oscillators called "linein", which I'm guessing means you can run another track or sound through the synthesizer. So I was wondering, is it possible to run Crystal in one track, and run Automat in another track and have Crystal running as a line-in through Automat? And can you do this while simultaneously muting Crystal's track?

Doctor_Attitude · 01-26-2009, 10:30 PM

Unless the software is designed to use it's fx processing for external sounds, it's really doubtful. You might need to find other methods of processing your signal via vst effects and such. Unfortunately I don't think automat supports that functionality

http://www.dnbwiki.com/index.php/Free_Apps and you can find some really great vsts for processing

**DJAirWave** · 01-26-2009, 10:57 PM

I have no idea what Garageband is like since "I'm a PC". However, I do have Crystal. I agree to the annoying interface, it tends to misbehave. I took all the synths from crystal and made WAV samples, then I edit them into my music through Deckadance.

I know that doesn't really answer your question, but that's how I solved the problem.

**zajac** · 01-26-2009, 11:17 PM

Line-In usually reffers to having something plug into the PC or Mac or whathaveyou... SO I'm guessing it reffers to having an external synth hardware come in and then your software manipulates it... But not too sure, sorry

somethingillremember · 01-27-2009, 07:07 AM

Ah, okay. I guess I could combine the sample-making thing with what zajac said. Maybe it'll work.

Also, as a side note, Garageband uses Audio Units, not VST's, and Automat misbehaves all the time, but you can put an infinite number of points in it's modulation envelopes, and it has 14 of them, and it's just more simple to use. I highly suggest it, although be careful when using the "Random" function, because sometimes it'll shoot the audio output through the roof. Thanks for the input guys!

Another quick question: I'm thinking about getting a VST to AU converter, but it's 70 bucks, and my budget is tight. Should I get it, and do they really work?

Also, Dr.Attitude is a sweet name. How did you come up with it?

fido123 · 01-27-2009, 09:44 AM

Don't use Garageband if you seriously want to get into making music...torrent yourself FL Studio's or Reason.

**tofurox** · 01-27-2009, 02:59 PM

I need FL.... I might get it soon.

Currently though I am working on my left hand in my piano song, making it more interesting, and less monotonous.

somethingillremember · 01-28-2009, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fido123

Don't use Garageband if you seriously want to get into making music...torrent yourself FL Studio's or Reason.

You would be surprised at what Garageband with a bunch of plugins can do. And personally, I don't like Fruity Loops, never tried Reason, and if I were to get a program, I would probably opt for Logic.

But yeah, Garageband is way better than most people think, and it's more user friendly than most other programs.

**sleeplessdragn** · 01-28-2009, 12:24 PM

For your problem I would just record your Crystal track to wav and match the wav sample into your overall track/use with Automat.

01-26-2009, 10:24 PM	#1
somethingillremember FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 106	Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in I posted this question on Yahoo Answers, shortly before realizing that nobody was going to answer it, so I thought I'd post it here to see if I got better results. Here's my question: So I have a free Audio Unit synthesizer on Garageband called Automat, which is really nice for wave manipulation (good delays, modulation, etc.), but the oscillator waves and the samples it gives you to do stuff with really suck. Another free synthesizer I have, Crystal, is just the opposite. It has good samples and wave generators, but its interface is really annoying, and it's harder to work with. Automat, however, has an option for its oscillators called "linein", which I'm guessing means you can run another track or sound through the synthesizer. So I was wondering, is it possible to run Crystal in one track, and run Automat in another track and have Crystal running as a line-in through Automat? And can you do this while simultaneously muting Crystal's track?

01-26-2009, 10:30 PM	#2
Doctor_Attitude FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 47	Re: Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in Unless the software is designed to use it's fx processing for external sounds, it's really doubtful. You might need to find other methods of processing your signal via vst effects and such. Unfortunately I don't think automat supports that functionality http://www.dnbwiki.com/index.php/Free_Apps and you can find some really great vsts for processing

01-26-2009, 10:57 PM	#3
DJAirWave Why am I still here? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 31 Posts: 683	Re: Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in I have no idea what Garageband is like since "I'm a PC". However, I do have Crystal. I agree to the annoying interface, it tends to misbehave. I took all the synths from crystal and made WAV samples, then I edit them into my music through Deckadance. I know that doesn't really answer your question, but that's how I solved the problem.

01-27-2009, 07:07 AM	#5
somethingillremember FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 106	Re: Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in Ah, okay. I guess I could combine the sample-making thing with what zajac said. Maybe it'll work. Also, as a side note, Garageband uses Audio Units, not VST's, and Automat misbehaves all the time, but you can put an infinite number of points in it's modulation envelopes, and it has 14 of them, and it's just more simple to use. I highly suggest it, although be careful when using the "Random" function, because sometimes it'll shoot the audio output through the roof. Thanks for the input guys! Another quick question: I'm thinking about getting a VST to AU converter, but it's 70 bucks, and my budget is tight. Should I get it, and do they really work? Also, Dr.Attitude is a sweet name. How did you come up with it? Last edited by somethingillremember; 01-27-2009 at 07:09 AM..

01-27-2009, 09:44 AM	#6
fido123 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 4,245	Re: Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in Don't use Garageband if you seriously want to get into making music...torrent yourself FL Studio's or Reason.

01-27-2009, 02:59 PM	#7
tofurox Them arrows. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Allen, Texas Age: 31 Posts: 2,263	Re: Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in I need FL.... I might get it soon. Currently though I am working on my left hand in my piano song, making it more interesting, and less monotonous. __________________ This sig has been enhanced by the FFR Staff for being too large. Thank you for participating.

01-28-2009, 12:24 PM	#9
sleeplessdragn ~Bang that beat Harder~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,321	Re: Running one synthesizer through another as a line-in For your problem I would just record your Crystal track to wav and match the wav sample into your overall track/use with Automat. __________________

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