Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? - Page 3

**Infernova** · 01-2-2009, 07:31 PM

To be perfectly honest there really wasn't all that much needed to be said to begin with. Even if we sat for hours questioning the reasons why developers these days aren't going to great lengths to make a decent plot for their FPS, it won't affect the fact that that sort of thing will still be churned out on a regular basis anyway. Unless any of us are directly involved with the industry, or wish to contact dev teams directly to tell them how shoddy their latest game was due to lack of a fresh story. Even then I doubt anything good will come from it. xD

A lot of it is down to opinion though, I guess, about what's good and what isn't. If you liked Marathon, play System Shock, since you're okay with dated graphics. Or you could try Call of Cthulhu, although it's not an FPS, but an interesting first person horror styled role playing game. Maybe Condemned if you like horror FPS. ;O;'

**Squeek** · 01-2-2009, 07:56 PM

That's the thing. There is no question. There's only the answer that nobody has decided to read.

Developers only make enough of a plot to make the drive the single player campaign from start to finish. Anything more is excessive and meaningless.

The rest of your development time can be spent making a kickass multiplayer, because that's what matters nowadays.

And once again, BioShock sold well for more than just its story. It sold for atmosphere and intuitive gameplay.

**Infernova** · 01-2-2009, 08:14 PM

Yeah, don't worry, I read all your posts and I know what you're saying. =P

To be honest what the OP appears to be searching for are games that are already out. Just needs to look in the right places to find them.

I still feel sad that mainstream fanbasing is what has killed a lot of series I once enjoyed, but it's how the industry works, and I guess there's nothing to stop it progressing in this fashion, unfortunately.

Whining like I am now won't exactly solve anything. xD

tsugomaru · 01-2-2009, 08:18 PM

I don't think anyone's ignoring what you have to say. They either don't reply because they agree with you or when they reply, talk about something besides what they agree with because there is really nothing else to say about it. I've felt like I've repeated myself several times in this thread, we all do.

~Tsugomaru

somethingillremember · 01-2-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Infernova

Yeah, don't worry, I read all your posts and I know what you're saying. =P

To be honest what the OP appears to be searching for are games that are already out. Just needs to look in the right places to find them.

I still feel sad that mainstream fanbasing is what has killed a lot of series I once enjoyed, but it's how the industry works, and I guess there's nothing to stop it progressing in this fashion, unfortunately.

Whining like I am now won't exactly solve anything. xD

Yeah, I did want to know some places to get cool games with plots and start a discussion about why plot in games is absent much of the time (I would say nowadays, but you guys all know about Doom).

I won't lie though, I did really want to advertise marathon

tsugomaru · 01-2-2009, 08:43 PM

It shouldn't be counted as a bad thing, I'm sure you meant well. If I found a good game, of course I would want to tell all my friends despite the fact that they never listen to me or will ever bother trying it because I recommended it.

~Tsugomaru

**Squeek** · 01-2-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by somethingillremember

Yeah, I did want to know some places to get cool games with plots and start a discussion about why plot in games is absent much of the time (I would say nowadays, but you guys all know about Doom).

I won't lie though, I did really want to advertise marathon

I know a great place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_role-playing_game

You keep saying "games" when you mean to say "games in the only genre that I care to play". Every time you say "games", I, like everyone else, assume you mean "all games", and we all know that's simply not true.

somethingillremember · 01-2-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

I know a great place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_role-playing_game

You keep saying "games" when you mean to say "games in the only genre that I care to play". Every time you say "games", I, like everyone else, assume you mean "all games", and we all know that's simply not true.

Right, sorry. I should say FPS's. In some cases I meant "All games" but yeah, you're right, in most cases I meant FPS's.

But don't assume that I only care for FPS's, I never said that. They're my favorite, and I don't like MMORPG's, but I've played Baulder's Gate, KOTOR, and Silent Hill (I beat 3 and am in the middle of 2). And my favorite two games are Burnout: Takedown and Burnout: Paradise, which are racing games that have absolutely no plot whatsoever.

Shamo0 · 01-4-2009, 04:02 PM

I luled cuz Kingdom Hearts was called unoriginal. Name another like it that's successful.

Keyword: Successful

Just becuase one doesn't like either of the two in the combination doesn't mean the game is fail. I loved the story and the characters. I'm not in it just for the FF characters, but the fact that SE did that is fanservice. And guess a lot of fans like when companys do things for them. So regardless of what you say catering to a fanbase isn't bad by any means rofl. Look at Namco Bandai they have a huge following and it's cuz they cater to there fanbase.

I'd rather have a company that caters to there fanbase than a company like Midway creating Unreal Tournament 3 so ****ing backwards and completely dumb down that it doesn't even really feel like a UT game anymore. UT04. UT03, UT99, UC2, good games. UT3 not so much.

But back to the original post. I don't think shooters need story. I never buy a shooter for story, in fact it actually makes me angry when I have to play singleplayer to unlock something for use in Multiplayer. I actually wouldn't mind FPSs ditching the whole singleplayer part. If it means more modes and more time and maps put in to Multiplayer I'm all for it.

**Squeek** · 01-4-2009, 04:21 PM

I said mashing up a non-video game franchise with a video-game franchise is not original. As in Kingdom Hearts is not the first to do it. People like to give credit to KH for being the first mashup like this. It's not even remotely close to being the first.

Also, UT3 did cater to a fanbase. Just the wrong fanbase.

zidart · 01-11-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

Kingdom Hearts is a horrible, cliched, unimaginative game that has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

And the sequel is even worse.

I have no idea why so many fanboys love it (oh wait, cloud is in it, right), but damn, people are really blinded with rose-colored glasses on this one. The plot is ridiculously bad and the best feature of the sequel is the ability to skip all of it.

The only original thing it did was blend Disney (which sucks) with Square-Enix (which sucks more). That's not original, though, since collaborations between non-video game characters and video game characters have been going on for years. It's just the first one to use Disney.

people love it because it's good, it has cool characters and it's fun to play, if you don't like it you don't have to bitch about it, just because someone likes Kingdom hearts doesn't make them blind they just have different tastes, the plot is actually good for some people.

i believe the success of kingdom hearts comes from being the first collaboration that actually works very well with 2 completely different worlds

Necamus · 01-11-2009, 12:23 AM

What kind of plot can racing games have...

"drive through that tunnel to save the world!"

tsugomaru · 01-12-2009, 09:18 AM

what about tetris

~Tsugomaru

Choofers · 01-12-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

I said mashing up a non-video game franchise with a video-game franchise is not original. As in Kingdom Hearts is not the first to do it. People like to give credit to KH for being the first mashup like this. It's not even remotely close to being the first.

Also, UT3 did cater to a fanbase. Just the wrong fanbase.

It was the first mash-up like that in the sense that it was Final Fantasy (known for RPGs and Cloud), and Disney (known for, well, Disney and princesses). I personally love Kingdom Hearts because of the battle system. And I'm a sucker for RPGs as well. =D

MarukuAntoni · 01-14-2009, 12:11 AM

I have work and school now so I can't play many games, mainly RPGs, which I love because of plot along with decent gameplay. I wish I can name them, but unfortunately can't. If anyone can mention an RPG that has a very good plot, with a not-so-slow pace (Xenosaga), then I'd greatly appreciate it. The only games I can remember having a nice plot was Xenogears, Chrono Cross and Trigger, and a few more. Kingdom Heart's plot wasn't too bad for me. That shows how much I've played...

**goelo** · 01-14-2009, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MarukuAntoni

If anyone can mention an RPG that has a very good plot, with a not-so-slow pace (Xenosaga), then I'd greatly appreciate it.

it depends on what you like sure RPG's, but theres a lot of themes like magic, robots, younameit
but i liked Tales of Phantasia for GBA a lot :P
if u have an emulator ill send u the link to download the game

weeeeeee · 01-14-2009, 09:49 PM

Some scientists speculate that the "plot" section of the video game died out near the same time as the dinosaurs.

OnixRose · 01-14-2009, 10:46 PM

I skimmed over the thread and found the majority of it to be mostly in agreement with the "games are lacking in a good/any plot" idea. I strongly disagree, I think most people just play highly advertised games that ultimately don't deliver what they're looking for. I'm not trying to generalize everyone who posted in this thread, rather just state my opinion.

MarukuAntoni · 01-14-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by goelo

it depends on what you like sure RPG's, but theres a lot of themes like magic, robots, younameit
but i liked Tales of Phantasia for GBA a lot :P
if u have an emulator ill send u the link to download the game

Yes, I've played that game already. It was great. The controls were horrible, but for the most part it was great.

If I really think about it, I've actually played many RPGs, mainly old school ones. Games from Super Nintendo and Playstation. Anybody remember Guardian Crusade? I remember the gameplay, but not the story. Some of the Tales series were interesting. Star Ocean 2, Saga Frontier 1, Seiken Densetsu were among the others I've played. I'm going to find a list of all the Super Nintendo and Playstation games and figure out which ones I've played.

**Renevatia** · 01-14-2009, 11:31 PM

graphic cards was invented

01-2-2009, 07:31 PM	#41
Infernova Onii-chan! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Age: 33 Posts: 48	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? To be perfectly honest there really wasn't all that much needed to be said to begin with. Even if we sat for hours questioning the reasons why developers these days aren't going to great lengths to make a decent plot for their FPS, it won't affect the fact that that sort of thing will still be churned out on a regular basis anyway. Unless any of us are directly involved with the industry, or wish to contact dev teams directly to tell them how shoddy their latest game was due to lack of a fresh story. Even then I doubt anything good will come from it. xD A lot of it is down to opinion though, I guess, about what's good and what isn't. If you liked Marathon, play System Shock, since you're okay with dated graphics. Or you could try Call of Cthulhu, although it's not an FPS, but an interesting first person horror styled role playing game. Maybe Condemned if you like horror FPS. ;O;'

01-2-2009, 07:56 PM	#42
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? That's the thing. There is no question. There's only the answer that nobody has decided to read. Developers only make enough of a plot to make the drive the single player campaign from start to finish. Anything more is excessive and meaningless. The rest of your development time can be spent making a kickass multiplayer, because that's what matters nowadays. And once again, BioShock sold well for more than just its story. It sold for atmosphere and intuitive gameplay.

01-2-2009, 08:14 PM	#43
Infernova Onii-chan! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Age: 33 Posts: 48	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? Yeah, don't worry, I read all your posts and I know what you're saying. =P To be honest what the OP appears to be searching for are games that are already out. Just needs to look in the right places to find them. I still feel sad that mainstream fanbasing is what has killed a lot of series I once enjoyed, but it's how the industry works, and I guess there's nothing to stop it progressing in this fashion, unfortunately. Whining like I am now won't exactly solve anything. xD

01-4-2009, 04:02 PM	#49
Shamo0 FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 424	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? I luled cuz Kingdom Hearts was called unoriginal. Name another like it that's successful. Keyword: Successful Just becuase one doesn't like either of the two in the combination doesn't mean the game is fail. I loved the story and the characters. I'm not in it just for the FF characters, but the fact that SE did that is fanservice. And guess a lot of fans like when companys do things for them. So regardless of what you say catering to a fanbase isn't bad by any means rofl. Look at Namco Bandai they have a huge following and it's cuz they cater to there fanbase. I'd rather have a company that caters to there fanbase than a company like Midway creating Unreal Tournament 3 so **ing backwards and completely dumb down that it doesn't even really feel like a UT game anymore. UT04. UT03, UT99, UC2, good games. UT3 not so much. But back to the original post. I don't think shooters need story. I never buy a shooter for story, in fact it actually makes me angry when I have to play singleplayer to unlock something for use in Multiplayer. I actually wouldn't mind FPSs ditching the whole singleplayer part. If it means more modes and more time and maps put in to Multiplayer I'm all for it. __________________ Nintendo Network ID: BigBadShamoo** Join Date: Sep 2003

01-4-2009, 04:21 PM	#50
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? I said mashing up a non-video game franchise with a video-game franchise is not original. As in Kingdom Hearts is not the first to do it. People like to give credit to KH for being the first mashup like this. It's not even remotely close to being the first. Also, UT3 did cater to a fanbase. Just the wrong fanbase.

01-11-2009, 12:23 AM	#52
Necamus FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 853	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? What kind of plot can racing games have... "drive through that tunnel to save the world!" __________________ www.freerice.com

01-14-2009, 12:11 AM	#55
MarukuAntoni mmmMMMmmm Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Age: 36 Posts: 521	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? I have work and school now so I can't play many games, mainly RPGs, which I love because of plot along with decent gameplay. I wish I can name them, but unfortunately can't. If anyone can mention an RPG that has a very good plot, with a not-so-slow pace (Xenosaga), then I'd greatly appreciate it. The only games I can remember having a nice plot was Xenogears, Chrono Cross and Trigger, and a few more. Kingdom Heart's plot wasn't too bad for me. That shows how much I've played... __________________ IF I CAN CLIMB A TREE, I CAN CLIMB MT EVEREST. IF I CAN DRIVE A CAR, I CAN PILOT A SPACE SHUTTLE. IF I CAN PEE, I CAN BE THE PRESIDENT. IF I CAN POO, I CAN RULE THE WORLD!

01-14-2009, 09:49 PM	#57
weeeeeee FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 75	Re: Whatever happened to videogames with a PLOT? Some scientists speculate that the "plot" section of the video game died out near the same time as the dinosaurs.

01-14-2009, 11:31 PM	#60
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