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Old 12-8-2008, 11:51 PM   #21
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Religious people are always pushing their beliefs on atheists, so what's the difference?
I think this falls under the "2 wrongs don't make a right" category.

It does seem a little tactless to call all religious people "hard-hearted slaves to myth and superstition" around Christmastime, IMO.
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Old 12-9-2008, 01:03 AM   #22
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except for fake washington those god damn god worshipping nazi eastern washingtonians they are no better than idahoians
Excuse me? We don't call ourselves hoes at least.

But yeas still the fact is that it was just where and when to place the sign. Wrong time. Good place though.
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Old 12-9-2008, 01:21 AM   #23
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People put up the nativity and trees to celebrate a religious holiday. Why would athiests want to put up a sign near these holiday symbols? What are they celebrating?

I'm not being sarcastic. This is a serious question.
Religion is not the only reason to celebrate. Look at Valentine's Day. Is the basic idea of romantic love religious? Christmas? Giving gifts is explicitly religious? And how about New Years?

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if those atheists dont want to celebrate the holidays, they should keep to themselves instead of imposing those kind of messages.

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Take a look at the first amendment. Does it say "freedom of speech (except if it offends someone)"? **** no. Get the **** out of here.

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Atheism isn't a religion
It's not organized like "Catholicism", but it is a loose affiliation of like-minded people in the same way the umbrella term "Christian" is.

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I did read the article. Atheism is not a religion.
How do you define "religion"? Because atheism is defined as a specific belief regarding a god. And it's recognized as a religious choice for purposes of population counting. Just because people don't meet in a church to talk about their religion doesn't mean that their beliefs are not a religion themselves. Tons of people in the United States don't go to church, but would still call themselves "Christian". Because they have a specific belief regarding the nature of god and religious allegiance is about more than groupthink circlejerks.
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Old 12-9-2008, 01:54 AM   #24
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Old 12-9-2008, 02:17 AM   #25
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Afrobean, you are amathing. I second that.

Perhaps there should be signs for every religion there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the bible does state Love thy neighbor as thyself, as well as judge not lest he shall be judged. I'm thinking the Christians should look up Mathew 5:14-16. I mean, isn't the goal of Christianity to live a christ-like life and make it back to God? Would Jesus say, "Hey I believe in Jesus Christ and if you don't, that's alright cause you're gonna fry like a Jimmy Dean pure pork sausage." Isn't it obvious that both are going to think they're right no matter what the other does.
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Old 12-9-2008, 02:39 AM   #26
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Afrobean, you are amathing. I second that.
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Old 12-9-2008, 03:02 AM   #27
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I repeat.

Atheism is a religion according to the federal government.

Atheists have all the same rights to display religious symbols that Christians do.

Get off your high horse. Just because your religion is the most popular doesn't mean it's the best one.
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Old 12-9-2008, 03:15 AM   #28
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Judge things by their fruits. I really don't see a need for it too be fought against though, all it does is give the group attention.
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Old 12-9-2008, 03:22 AM   #29
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Afrobean, you are amathing. I second that.

Perhaps there should be signs for every religion there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the bible does state Love thy neighbor as thyself, as well as judge not lest he shall be judged. I'm thinking the Christians should look up Mathew 5:14-16. I mean, isn't the goal of Christianity to live a christ-like life and make it back to God? Would Jesus say, "Hey I believe in Jesus Christ and if you don't, that's alright cause you're gonna fry like a Jimmy Dean pure pork sausage." Isn't it obvious that both are going to think they're right no matter what the other does.
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A lot of the highly religious people are very hypocritical. They like to scream about being oppressed if someone talks **** against their religion but they'll think it's a-OK to blast other beliefs like atheism.

They don't stand back and realize that they may be breaking their own religious rules, or, and here's the one I actually care about, the Bill of Rights.

ps squeek: needs more "groupthink circlejerk" rhetoric.
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Old 12-9-2008, 03:23 AM   #30
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I love how all these Christians are whining about being persecuted.

How does the stance on the sign persecute Christians any more than anyone else? Oh wait, it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't "persecute" anyone. It's not nearly as "persecuting" as saying to an atheist that they're going to hell, as sausage-dude did, and that's not even offensive or negative at all to an atheist. It's about as meaningful as saying "if you don't believe in my personal set of beliefs the Great Unicorn Overseer Xegon will impale you with his Horn of Judgment". You're just going to come across as nonsensical.

Atheists are perfectly in their right to state their beliefs publicly, as are Christians. I believe in what the sign has to say, and it should definitely remain where it is as a sign that religion cannot suppress anything said against it. Get used to it, Christians, you don't own the country.
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Old 12-9-2008, 03:45 AM   #32
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I think it's probably how the sign is worded that's causing a lot of the problems. If it instead said something like, "We believe in only what is supported by empirical evidence," instead of basically saying, "All this junk is wrong," then there wouldn't be as bad of a controversy, but maybe not.

I personally think this sign is pretty dumb and shouldn't be there. The reason? It's a holiday display and the sign they put up has nothing to do with the holidays. The holidays are, however loosely, based on religion. Sure people can believe whatever they want but this sign is just reactionary trolling that really strikes me like vandalism, as if someone came up with spray paint and wrote "u mrons r so stupid god duznt exist lol" on a nativity scene.

And Tokzic, you're right, nobody has the right to suppress the beliefs of atheists, but this sign is tactless and pointless. I don't see why it needs to be there.

Oh by the way I don't believe in God so don't label me a crazy Christian or whatever.

Oh and the Jews didn't think Jesus was all that. And I think Muslims care more about someone who came later. Maybe Mormons too, I'm not an expert.

EDIT: And I only said that I don't believe in God because I didn't want people to assume that I was defending my own religion. I'm just being objective. I have no problems with what people choose to believe in.
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Old 12-9-2008, 03:48 AM   #33
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I agree with tokzic, but this sign is still pointless. I really doubt any athiest gives a **** about trying to suppress christians.
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Old 12-9-2008, 05:22 AM   #35
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Ahh the true greatness of religion, it's so loving of all people
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I think it's probably how the sign is worded that's causing a lot of the problems. If it instead said something like, "We believe in only what is supported by empirical evidence," instead of basically saying, "All this junk is wrong," then there wouldn't be as bad of a controversy, but maybe not.
I think how the Bible is worded causes a lot of problems. You don't see me complaining about the rape, murder, slavery, death, and destruction that takes place in it.

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I personally think this sign is pretty dumb and shouldn't be there. The reason? It's a holiday display and the sign they put up has nothing to do with the holidays. The holidays are, however loosely, based on religion. Sure people can believe whatever they want but this sign is just reactionary trolling that really strikes me like vandalism, as if someone came up with spray paint and wrote "u mrons r so stupid god duznt exist lol" on a nativity scene.
I think the Christmas Tree is pretty dumb and shouldn't be there. Why are they including pagan rituals in their religion? I thought the point was to celebrate the birth of some celebrity duder, not to decorate a pine tree.

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And Tokzic, you're right, nobody has the right to suppress the beliefs of atheists, but this sign is tactless and pointless. I don't see why it needs to be there.
Again, you're missing the point. It's a religious symbol. If you can claim a Christmas Tree is a religious symbol, athiests can easily claim a piece of paper with words on it is a religious symbol. Religions make this stuff up all the time. Nothing new. It's only offensive when someone other than a Christian does it, though.

I see Christian signs telling me to redeem myself or suffer eternal damnation. Now, that's not very nice either. But that's part of their beliefs. I'm not going to whine or try to take it down or anything. I'll just use it as an amusing anecdote later that day.
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I think the Christmas Tree is pretty dumb and shouldn't be there. Why are they including pagan rituals in their religion? I thought the point was to celebrate the birth of some celebrity duder, not to decorate a pine tree.
You're right.

We PAGANS should take back the solstice. **** your fatman present giving saint. Let's get drunk and ****.
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Old 12-9-2008, 09:01 AM   #38
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Just because of the sign's location, you're acting like it only affects Christians. But if you look closely it's flat out saying all religions enslave your mind and we're all completely wrong. I don't think this discussion is really a matter of Christian vs. The Atheists, but rather atheists against everyone else. (with exceptions)

If the signs about sending you into eternal damnation and through hellfire and etc were just as blatantly out of place, then I would consider that kind of tactless as well. You can look at this situation from as many angles as you please, but it doesn't change how people are. People are obviously going to be upset by this display. Just because "you guys wouldn't get angry if that happened to you", or whatever bull**** that was said, it doesn't make it alright. People are different. People believe differently because they are different. Christians are in general going to be more sensitive than a damn atheist.

Really to me this is more about simply being considerate.
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This is stupid.
I don't believe in God, but hey, let people enjoy their f***ing holidays!! Christians don't go up to you during National God is Dead Day and mess with you, do they?

K, so that's not a real holiday, but who cares.
This is ridiculous.

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I agree with tokzic, but this sign is still pointless. I really doubt any athiest gives a **** about trying to suppress christians.
In August I got a message from a guy on Facebook. He was trying to recruit me to a "Free Though" Group in North Alabama. I went to the site and every idiot there hates Christians and not only don't believe in God, etc., they disbelieve in and try to disprove God, etc. They're more stubborn than any theists, if you ask me.

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Old 12-9-2008, 09:23 AM   #40
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You're right.

We PAGANS should take back the solstice. **** your fatman present giving saint. Let's get drunk and ****.

I agree with this!! I find it rather ammusing that "all pagans are going to hell" and yet they use our celebrations.
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