Twilight.

[LilyPichu]

IMO It's not worth arguing with her. But that's just me. :v

[MalReynolds]

Cherry, you're actually breaking all kinds of rules. Read the stickies, type like a human being. A normal human being, I should say. While I appreciate the colorful way you express yourself, it is highly annoying and distracting. In addition, you make all Twilight fans look bad.

[cherrygirl1223]

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

Cherry, you're actually breaking all kinds of rules. Read the stickies, type like a human being. A normal human being, I should say. While I appreciate the colorful way you express yourself, it is highly annoying and distracting. In addition, you make all Twilight fans look bad.

- excuse me but, it is not just me!
I am aware of my actions and what I am saying
but, everyone else in here can't act all innocent.

[MalReynolds]

I never said they were acting all innocent. And I know it's not just you. I'm just informing you because you're a new poster and everyone else should know better.

[cherrygirl1223]

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

I never said they were acting all innocent. And I know it's not just you. I'm just informing you because you're a new poster and everyone else should know better.

hmmm, okay =)

[WitchoftheSand]

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

I am a writer. And the fact that **** like this gets published and eaten up distresses me. It's an utterly hollow, hollow book that is only popular because some people haven't attached a definition to the word 'love' yet and find that this book fills that niche, even though the 'love' expressed in the novels is abusive and dangerous. And selfish.

It's a vapid exercise in taking what girls think they want and writing it down. And then the young men will follow, thinking that the books will serve as a guideline for how they should act, seeing as the women like it so much.

Oh, hey, girl. I like you. But we can never be together. But just in case, I'm going to remove your car engine so you can't see another guy. And I'll watch you sleep. And I'll follow you around and make sure you're not interested in anyone else, even if I tell you to be. And you should be interested in someone else, because I'm telling you to be. But if you are, I'll rip his head off. But I want you to be. Aren't I so cool? Look at my smoldering eyes. Look at my smoldering body. Could you write down, please, how good my clothes make me look?

It's aggrivating as hell because there are NO REDEEMING QUALITIES AT ALL. I fell like I'm taking crazy pills, I really do.

The difference between Harry Potter and Twilight? I feel the need to bring this up because Harry Potter was the last book series to bring kids from out in front of the TV and actually make them read.

Harry Potter is not very well written. It's written in a very plain-text style without a lot of embellishment. But it created a world that so many people wanted to escape to, and it managed to tell a compelling, intense, and fun story over seven books.

Twilight does not. The story is absolute trash.

Twilight: I love Edward. Edward loves me. Every boy loves me. Oh, bad vampire. He's dead.
New Moon: Oh, Edward is gone. I guess I'll go all suicidal. Oh, wait, he's back.
Eclipse: Oh, the vampire's girlfriend from the first book is back. Oh, wait, she's dead now. So is Laurent. Oh, hey, another boy loves me, isn't this swell.
Breaking Dawn: I got married, SQUEEEEEE! Snap, I'm pregnant. Oh, cool, now I'm a vampire. Oh, cool, I can automatically control my blood lust. Oh, cool, there isn't a big war fought over my daughter so the hundreds of pages of buildup mean nothing. Oh, cool, the other guys in love with me find someone else including my infant daughter. Oh, cool, my Dad finds another woman to take care of him besides me. Oh, cool, I get to live forever and have awesome vampire sex and I'll be 19 this is the best. And I've had to give nothing up. Isn't this a great realistic expectation I've set?

It's like... If Voldemort, at the end of book 7, walked in to the school, and Harry was all, "Oh, hey, let's not fight." And Voldemort was all, "Cool." And they made tea-cozies.

If I could, I would literally - LITERALLY - slap every single person who could not justify to me in a reason that makes freakin' sense that likes the Twilight series. I can forgive the movie, because "OOOH, AHH, SOMETHING MOVING ON SCREEN DURRRR," but not the books.

It makes me laugh that people get so offended by this. The thread asked for an opinion, so people are giving their opinions. Just because your opinion doesn't match another's opinion doesn't mean its time to riot. Yikes.

I like Twilight. Why? Because I'm a fangirl and my standards are set pretty low. When I originally began Twilight, I wondered why I was enjoying it so much. It's because the author knows exactly how fangirls think. There was enough in there to make me laugh and kyaa to infinity. I really enjoyed the book. I don't have a problem with the writing at all because I like writing that's easy to understand. It wasn't elementary writing that made you wince, so I don't understand at all why people bash it so much.

I think the Twilight movie is pretty bad. Why? Because it's impossible to ignore the fact that it's so unrealistic. In fantasy movies, you can sometimes forget, "That wouldn't happen." I forgot it completely while I was reading the book, but the movie was like a slap in the face. Through the entire movie I was sitting back wondering why Edward is so creepy and why Bella found it charming. It didn't help that the acting was pretty bad. It was only enjoyable in the way that I could make fun of it.

I'm learning that there are people out there that utterly despise Stephenie Meyer. They can't believe that her works are being published and receiving such a huge response. But that doesn't mean everyone who likes it has no taste and the story is trash. If an author publishes something for a certain audience, and they like it, then they've done a good job. Just because you're not part of that audience doesn't mean that they fail as an author. There isn't a thing in existance that everyone enjoys.

I also found it interesting that the quoted poster bothered to read all four books. It made it an entertaining read, but it still intriqued me that they bothered to go that deep.

[MalReynolds]

Oh, make no mistake. I have not read all four tomes. I have friends that have. I've read the 'highlights' and such, but I would never, not ever subject myself to all four novels.

But you're well spoken. And you acknowledge that you have low standards and are easy to please. You know that what you're reading doesn't particularly come across as good.

And make no mistake, I'm not bitter about my works not being published. It would take me actually trying to get them published and then having them rejected for me to grow bitter towards anything like that. As it stands, I find that is a modicum of insanity when it comes to fans of the novels who think the books are the most holy thing ever written. It also establishes unreal expectations, so all these single guys out there now can thank Steffy Meyer for creating an unreasonable expectation when it comes to finding your 'soul mate' who will love you forever and ever and ever and ever no matter what.

I literally asked a girl why she was still single the other day, one of my friends who complains bitterly about no guys ever wanting her despite all the attention, and she just matter of factly told me, "Because Edward Cullen isn't real."

I wanted to throw up. Then I wanted to take her car engine and tell her, "Good luck finding guys out there."

[All_That_Chaz]

Originally Posted by WitchoftheSand

If an author publishes something for a certain audience, and they like it, then they've done a good job.

This is the one thing I disagree with. Niche-marketing is not art. If I wrote dirty words for 300 pages because 13 year old boys love swear words, it might do well in bookstores, but is it art? No way.

[NFD]

I would read your book Chaz<3

[SkySeal]

i haven't read the entire thread (and i apologize for replying without doing so, if it bugs anyone) but i see that people are saying guys wont like it because its a love story?
im a sucker for love stories and i hated both the movie and book

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by SkySeal

i haven't read the entire thread (and i apologize for replying without doing so, if it bugs anyone) but i see that people are saying guys wont like it because its a love story?
im a sucker for love stories and i hated both the movie and book

Read the thread before posting.


-This contained my opinion of the book/movie but I decided to edit it out as there are too many vaginas bitchin' an moanin' and I fear that my response would incur the wrath of vampiric-emo fan-girlsm-

[STD_Sappy]

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

Uh, I do care about it. I clearly state that I care about it several times. And I've even said I'm not trying to change opinions, but warn people away, or at the very least if they do feel indifferent towards the novels, offer my reasoning as to why they are poison.

It's great that you love the book. I'm glad that you can love something so shallow, simple and stupid. You'd be a great pair with Paris Hilton. It really takes a lot to love something super pretty.

Okay, that may be, but clearly, as you've stated, this book is simple, and stupid. Why feel the need to "warn" people away when they can just find out for themselves? And, the senseless insults don't really offend anybody. If you feel obligated enough to write this much about a series you hate "so much", then it makes it seem like you care, and if you care that much to the point where you are trying to affect people's assumptions, or people who ARE informed on the series, then it's obvious that there is something wrong here. It's kind of weird, typically, if I disliked something, I'd leave a comment, and not return to it. leaving pages and pages of your opinion that is stating the same thing over and over again is just pointless already. We get it, you hate the Twilight series, who cares.

[NFD]

Originally Posted by STD_Sappy

Why feel the need to "warn" people away when they can just find out for themselves?

Because it's the right thing to do. What if somebody was driving on a road that was closed? You'd warn them not to continue down the path. If they found out themselves, they'd be dead. =/

Honestly, use common sense, it was never a good series to begin with. It's been done hundred upon hundreds of times.

[robertsona]

Also, because it's so goddamn popular, and, for most girls, it's becoming the definition of "good literature" even though it's **** and there's awesome literature they're missing

[All_That_Chaz]

Originally Posted by NFD

I would read your book Chaz<3

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=103603

[pokelda]

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

This is the one thing I disagree with. Niche-marketing is not art. If I wrote dirty words for 300 pages because 13 year old boys love swear words, it might do well in bookstores, but is it art? No way.

Im going to go write books now brb

[STD_Sappy]

Originally Posted by NFD

Because it's the right thing to do. What if somebody was driving on a road that was closed? You'd warn them not to continue down the path. If they found out themselves, they'd be dead. =/

Honestly, use common sense, it was never a good series to begin with. It's been done hundred upon hundreds of times.

So it's the right thing to make someone avoid something, and make them base that something they were curious about off of an assumption? No. That's pretty ignorant, and if anything, it's hypocritical. Have you read the series, by the way, NFD? Just wondering.

[NFD]

I read the SparkNotes, and that's close enough. It was horrible.

[MalReynolds]

Originally Posted by STD_Sappy

So it's the right thing to make someone avoid something, and make them base that something they were curious about off of an assumption?

What?

I'll just point you right back to the smokers argument. It's bad for your health. It has been proven to give you cancer. But millions of people do it anyway. It boils down to personal choice in the matter. Those who don't smoke still know how harmful it is.

What we're running into here is more problematic. Reading Twilight, and considering it 'good' is not only harmful to yourself, as it is trashy, manipulative romance that runs around under the guise of chivalry, but harmful to society, as it says, 'these are the books we want to be reading, give us more domineering male characters and impotent females'. While you may not look at it like that, thinking, 'oh, it's just a book,' then think again. There are fans that go up to Robert Pattinson with cuts on their arms asking him to suck their blood because 'they were meant to be together'.

What's more is that the novel highlights a chaste relationship until book 4 - making the readers think that chastity is the way to go, which it may very well be, but they'll once again be waiting for a chaste, domineering man to make their decisions for them, and that's not how it's supposed to work. There is no equal partnership between Bella and Edward. He will forever - at least, until she vamped up - be superior to her. Always. Hell, even as a vampire he will be. There's nothing she can do. No place on earth she could if she decides she doesn't love him. And at the end of book 4, she's locked in. Eternity is an awfully long time, and you bet that he'd chase her down if she ever tried to leave.

I got side-tracked, so I apologize. These books aren't just books, they're detriments to society. When people acknowledge that the books are not good, just empty junk, then I'm fine with it. I really am. That's why I didn't tear in to the poster up there - she was well spoken and made her point. When people say that it's the best thing ever, the highlight of romance, well, that's when I want to hit them. They're delusional.

It is not romance. It is abuse. And it's a blight on contemporary literature - and even worse, it is shaping the minds of impressionable youths that read it.

[tha Guardians]

Originally Posted by cherrygirl1223

missed spelled

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lmao