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Have you been to CES? Have you been watching what's been happening? Prototypes for higher resolution TVs have been in the works for years now, and CES has been displaying them. 150 inches and more, as well. Higher res content, higher res screens, higher quality, and cheaper storage space. That's the way it's going. Just watch.
Being in the industry has its perks... PS - and unless you write thousands and thousands of lines of code, you'll never need more than 640k, right? and remember size of screen and viewing distance. once more note: it really says something about a technology when one of its main proponents which manufactures blu-ray and is a major player in the industry says that the technology is half-dead already and will be practically obsolete by 2012. That would be Samsung.
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. ![]() Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually." Last edited by OrganisM; 11-19-2008 at 06:06 AM.. |
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The reason I am going to say no to this is because I think the blu-ray format will be shortlived, and I think that it is an intermediary format between DVD and flash-based memory devices.
There's a 27000p screen in Japan that is 62" and can display things at a quality where anything higher would be intdistinguishable to the human eye, and the only way to fit the space required for the movies is with hard-drives. But if they can continue to double the amount of space they can fit on an SD card every two years then they'll be able to do it with a flash-chip. And probably not as far off as one would think. I'm going to wait for a new format and higher resolutions first.
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You're not alone in that thinking. It's wise to follow that reasoning: it's what all the top technology companies are talking about and what everybody in the industry is thinking.
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. ![]() Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually." |
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1080p at smaller sizes really doesn't do much at all. Even on my 42 inch screen, I have trouble definitively deciding the difference between an upscaled 720 and a native 1080. But at the same time, you are wrong. Upscaled DVD looks terrible in many cases (often moreso due to being natively interlaced), and even the BEST of upconverted DVD does not even come close to native 1080p content. Even bad quality 1080p native commercial material will always look better than upconverted DVD. If you don't think so, you shouldn't be wasting your money on home theatre equipment because the part of your brain devoted to that sort of thing is clearly underdeveloped if you think an upconverted 480i image is as good as a 1080p native. Quote:
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Also: Blu-ray IS taking off. It's adoption rate is faster than DVD's in it's first 2 years, it's surpassed Laserdisc's peak market penetration, it has complete support of the film industry, and the numbers are growing every day. I read an article the other day that gave a bunch of stats on the matter (and I can try to find it again if you care), but if I recall, they said something like Blu-ray accounts for 10~30% of the amount of copies sold of high profile films. Unless I'm mistaken, DVD was at like 2% in it's first few years. Quote:
And anyway, the war is over, Blu-ray won. As a 1080p format, BD is what we have. What you're doing by refusing BD would be akin to getting mad when DVDs were replacing VHS and deciding to just get Satellite TV instead of changing to another superior format. That's not to say Satellite TV is bad (I frankly think it's quite good), but it wasn't the best choice at the time to do what you would want to do; presumably to watch movies at the highest quality. Quote:
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You make me sick. Get the **** out of here. You know why I support BD? Because it is the better format; there is not a consumer grade format better than it, and that includes considering digital distribution. I downloaded a 1080p trailer for the new Harry Potter flick the other day. Over 20 minutes to download, and the actual file is only a little under 2 minutes. You call that **** a good, reasonable alternative? No, we do not have 2k films stored on holographic video discs. No, 2k resolution screens would not be worth it at the screen size I can afford. No, the producer cannot afford to give quality 1080p content through DD, and the typical consumer cannot afford it either. Seriously talking about these CRAZY resolutions is akin to me telling a person they need to invest in a 15 inch 1080p screen. Why? An image on that small of a screen would be indistinguishable from 720p. So why then should I want a 2k res screen at 42 inches when I have a hard-ass time telling the difference between upscaled 720p and 1080p? You are ****ing crazy, dude. "OH IM THE INDUSTRY SO I KNOW LOL". No. The typical consumer will not get behind a product that is technically better, but physically indistinguishable from what they have. The reason HD can take SD's market is because the average consumer can get a notable improvement in quality by getting a HDTV, even those who opt for a cheaper 720 model. Just because they CAN make a 2k res TV and charge 10k for a 20 inch TV doesn't mean anyone will buy it. That sort of resolution won't be of any use to the typical consumer. I'd bet that such a format will be made available at some point, both in hardware and software, but when that software format hits, it will be limited to niche... The average person can't tell the difference between 720 upscaled on a 1080 screen, why would they be able to tell the difference between a 1080 and 2k on a 2k screen? Squeek is right. Beyond HDTV, the next step is greater immersion, not more resolution. You'll be able to get people to adapt to a new format only if it is better than what they already have... more pixels won't do it, but a 3D image "floating" out in front of the TV would. ______________ Quote:
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EDIT: since some of you folks seem pretty on the ball here, I've got a question that I'm struggling with. I picked up the seventh season of Scrubs the other day. And the picture quality is really hit or miss... Some times there are ABSOLUTELY none of that pixel dancing that happens in an interlaced display, while others, everything is movin' around like crazy. It's especially noticeable in the freezeframe credits compared to live action motion. In addition, on like half of the cuts (as in, edit cuts), it seems to cut RIGHT on the frame where two fields are added together and look ****ed up. Honestly, if I had to guess, it seems like the image is progressive sourced, and automatically interlaced before reaching my screen. But-- I'm running it on my BD player over a HDMI, so it can't be that the disc is progressive native and interlaced in my machine. This means that the only possible conclusion to draw is that the image is definitely interlaced on the disc, but then why? Why did ABC take a progressive cut and apply an automatic interlacing on it without considering cuts? Or could it possibly be that the editors on that season just don't know how to do their jobs and the original version of the cuts were all made at interlaced points? I just don't get it. Do any of you have any insight?
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I'm glad that this thread finally got some attention because at first Afrobean had posted this whole big thing and it had hardly any responses. I kind of felt bad.
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If you think I'm full of shit, watch the way the industry goes. If I'm still around here in two years, we'll have notes to compare. I am involved with all sorts of technology, from hardware and software to the most important thing: content distribution of all kinds. All the industry showings I've seen are leaning toward having digital distribution, with physical copies as a secondary format hardly as useful. All the content providers for all types of media are most interested in on-demand content. And, to add to that, all the manufacturers that are not named Sony (but they're still doing it too), such as Panasonic, Samsung, LG, and others, are integrating network capabilities into their TVs for the on-demand stuff. Even many companies that produce DVDs are including a digital copy for download. I will laugh when the on-demand explosion occurs. We're headed there, whether you like it or not. Oh and Samsung blu-ray players now have integrated Netflix support. That sounds like a bridge to all-digital distribution to me. Quote:
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Incidentally, no, I don't use RSS feeds. There are a couple news sites I check out to keep up to date (note: site, not RSS feed), but they don't report on HDTV or even Blu-ray all that often because it's generally outside their scope. Nice try though. Quote:
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It'll work out like the music industry. There will be digital distribution that many people will use, but it will not kill physical media. People will still buy physical and because people still buy it, the companies will still make it, even once we're to the point where DD is able to get on the same level as BD in terms of quality and ease of use. Quote:
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ps I'm not being a jackass, I really want to hear the story on how a 19 year old person such as yourself could be as deep in the industry as to make you feel entitled to talk the way you do. pps one more thing: notice that this topic is actually supposed to be about HD and how it's better than you might think. BD is a component of HD, but only so far as to say that quality 1080p content isn't even available in any other form. Regardless of my personal feelings toward BD/DD or the future of said interaction, the point of this thread is to point out that HD is good and people should be interested in it. |
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