Should National Security Supercede Civil Rights?

[TrueBOSS]

lol, Benjamin Franklin himself has a famous quote on this matter.

"Those who would give a little Liberty to gain a little security, will deserve neither and lose both."
-Benjamin Franklin
Note: There are A LOT of variations of this quote so I'm noting now that this is just the one I heard.
I believe civil rights should never be underminded. It's a very real threat to civil rights for, once it has been underminded once, it will be sought to undermind it again. That is my belief at least.

[Afrobean]

I just saw the V for Vendetta film for the first time.

Entirely relevant to this thread.

Would never happen in real life though... if the government goes that far in that direction, the protests would end in mass murder of civilians rather than revolution.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Would never happen in real life though... if the government goes that far in that direction, the protests would end in mass murder of civilians rather than revolution.

I'm going to make the vague claim that in this day and age, and in the future, it will take 5 times more effort to stop the flow of information than it does to create the flow of information, and given that everyone is a walking information-transmitter (G1 Phone, iPhone, blackberry,) and everyone has a hub for information transmission (computer) that you're an idiot and you don't understand America.

Some like to characterize Americans as fat and lazy and stupid, but the truth is that they seem to be more stupid than anything. But just because they are stupid doesn't mean they are submissive. We throw a bitch fit at a grocery store when something rings up for .50 cents more than it should. Know your culture, Afro. Americans are a people who don't let shit go.

[devonin]

They've been taking 4 bucks a gallon gas prices like a little chump though.

[TrueBOSS]

As I said before. The government should never be allowed to slip under civil rights. At first you may think they're just going to listen in on you and you'd let that slide but they WILL then try and push the boundaries even more. Sadly I'm at a loss at the moment for an example or I'd give one...

[kmay]

Most of FFR is democratic because we are young. So of course the main thing you are going to hear is. NO! blah blah, but of course security can be more important civil rights. If a group of people where looking through mail, computers, or even tampering with the phones, all form of privacy, i would want them put in jail. I don't care if they were black or white. Whatever, they tampered with my privacy and should be punished.

[x After Dawn x]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

I just saw the V for Vendetta film for the first time.

Entirely relevant to this thread.

There seems to be a lot of movies nowadays that are relevant to this, another example (though not a great one) could be Death Race.

[kmay]

aside from the critical thinking: was death race good?

[robertsona]

Originally Posted by kmay

aside from the critical thinking: was death race good?

Get the **** outta here.
Also the movie was garbage.

[kmay]

i already said my thought. i was asking a question. and thanks for the answer now i dont have to rent it when it comes out... if its not.


Back to the topic. Security is less important then civil right, but when security has been invaded on multiple accounts by the same group of people. Something has to be done.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by kmay

Most of FFR is democratic because we are young. So of course the main thing you are going to hear is. NO! blah blah, but of course security can be more important civil rights. If a group of people where looking through mail, computers, or even tampering with the phones, all form of privacy, i would want them put in jail. I don't care if they were black or white. Whatever, they tampered with my privacy and should be punished.

I don't think you truly understand the fundamental values the two parties are supposed to hold up. The terrible policies enacted during Bush's administration are largely at odds with good Republican ideals. Without wasting my time going into heavy detail, Republicans are supposed to be in favor of the federal government having minimal power, but Bush has expanded it to a great degree.

ps note: I'm not saying invasion of privacy is a policy which Democrats should be more likely to support; I'd really say that neither party would be fundamentally for it.