Let's take a Metal Poll...

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by ShAiOnEi

I enjoy death metal more because of an attitude of not having to have a catchy pop to it as otherwise in mainstream music you're always going to have to get. Progressive and power metal always in my opinion tends to stick to a strict code of melody and a catch pop whatever it may be they atleast have either of those things. Death metal on the other hand comes up with more rhythm based riffs and technical drum patterns and usually don't have a melody. In fact it doesn't occur to me that they are generic at all for that one fact. They don't try to sound like anything that would attract mainstream listeners because in all reality it's not for them. Death metal comes from an antisociety way of thinking and it has always been that same mindset today. If you read the lyrics from the songs of the band Death you can see how it relates to my previous sentence. In all matters of opinions we can continue to argue about different genres and how which is better but it's all preference and taste and I like the taste of Death metal.

What the **** are you on about? Pleasent melodies mean the music is pop? Generic means mainstream? You know absolutely nothing about music. Please stop posting in this thread.

[ShAiOnEi]

Originally Posted by Verruckter

What the **** are you on about? Pleasent melodies mean the music is pop? Generic means mainstream? You know absolutely nothing about music. Please stop posting in this thread.

You misinterpreted my words, I am saying that progressive/power metal usually almost always has a "melody" or a catchy "pop" to their songs. It is pretty much the essential quality for that type of music. While for death metal on the other-hand is completely opposite. They tend to stray away from the melody and to what most people find "unpleasant" because there is none of the qualities of music most people listen to. If you could please sustain yourself of telling me I know nothing about music and just try to grasp what I am saying I would really appreciate that. Death metal isn't for everyone, it wasn't intended to be for everyone.

[foilman8805]

Hey, this **** reminds me of the Tech Death thread where we all fought like tool bags about metal.

lol

[ShAiOnEi]

Yeah well I wish that my favorite genre wasn't talked down like it was pure **** before it starts to turn into a bloodbath which is one of my favorite death metal bands btw.

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by ShAiOnEi

You misinterpreted my words, I am saying that progressive/power metal usually almost always has a "melody" or a catchy "pop" to their songs. It is pretty much the essential quality for that type of music. While for death metal on the other-hand is completely opposite. They tend to stray away from the melody and to what most people find "unpleasant" because there is none of the qualities of music most people listen to. If you could please sustain yourself of telling me I know nothing about music and just try to grasp what I am saying I would really appreciate that. Death metal isn't for everyone, it wasn't intended to be for everyone.

I know what death metal is "about" (even though I don't think there are any restrictions as what music should or should not be).

I have a huge problem with you saying that prog tends to use catchy pop. I don't think you understand the difference between pop music and pretty much any prog (unless you're talking about Octavarium but that's another matter lol). Just because a melody is catchy or pleasent doesn't mean it's pop.

It's all a question of mood: Pop (as well as death metal, for that matter) is restricted to very, very little sets of moods and emotions. In the case of the former, the mood is either happy or melancholic, but the tones used are almost always major. In the case of the latter, the mood is agressive and dissonant, but is still restricted into these certain boundairies (thus why it's mostly generic).

Prog, on the other hand, explores any mood and any emotion in any tone and any form. It does not restric itself to being agressive, heavy, happy, melancholic, etc. because its ideology, its main focus is to being varied and open minded.

I don't know how you can honestly say that using catchy melodies is anything pop. These songs are catchy and yet, are they pop? I don't think so.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bHrZlpdlxp0
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=lZm3JbzFzrQ
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=50lmd0ngwPc

[ShAiOnEi]

I never called your music pop if your referring it to as a genre. I mean pop as a general sound or a melodic hook would be much more correct to say.

Personally I find you wrong with saying death metal is restricted. I think of it as the least restricted in any of the genres because it reallly does have no limits. In fact death metal is intended for anything goes style. Your generalizations on death metal are really narrow.

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by ShAiOnEi

I never called your music pop if your referring it to as a genre. I mean pop as a general sound or a melodic hook would be much more correct to say.

Personally I find you wrong with saying death metal is restricted. I think of it as the least restricted in any of the genres because it reallly does have no limits. In fact death metal is intended for anything goes style. Your generalizations on death metal are really narrow.

What's wrong with having a "melodic hook"?

And by saying that death metal has no "melodic hooks" (or very few) you're actually restricting it.

[ShAiOnEi]

Originally Posted by Verruckter

What's wrong with having a "melodic hook"?

And by saying that death metal has no "melodic hooks" (or very few) you're actually restricting it.

Nothing is wrong with a melodic hook I'm just saying It doesn't have to apply in death metal. Death metal usually doesn't have a melody but that doesn't mean they refrain from using one because some do. Usually death metal goes it's own way and leaves out the necessities of a usual melody infused song and creates their own individually inspired tastes. Thus creating music that isn't normally appreciated by the ones who are used to melody. The genre really does promote individuality and anything goes nature because of how extreme and powerful it is.

Here is a youtube example of this please be aware of the non melodic hook and more of an individual melody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjiZX5WFbKg

Edit:holy **** your still viewing the forum well I'm going to sleep most likely I'll talk later.

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by ShAiOnEi

Nothing is wrong with a melodic hook I'm just saying It doesn't have to apply in death metal. Death metal usually doesn't have a melody but that doesn't mean they refrain from using one because some do. Usually death metal goes it's own way and leaves out the necessities of a usual melody infused song and creates their own individually inspired tastes. Thus creating music that isn't normally appreciated by the ones who are used to melody. The genre really does promote individuality and anything goes nature because of how extreme and powerful it is.

Here is a youtube example of this please be aware of the non melodic hook and more of an individual melody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjiZX5WFbKg

I listened to all the songs from that album in the "related videos" tab and they were all pretty much the exact same mood from one song to the other. You could take any riff from and song and place them next to each other and it wouldn't matter because they all sound the same. They all have the same effect.

You see, the effect of a riff is not only given my it's composition, but also by its place in the song. A heavy riff just after a calm part will sound much more powerful than after another heavy riff.

What I define as mood is the general effect a song or a part of a song has on me. It's more than just agressive or happy, it's really what comes and gets you when you're into the song. A mood is a combination of different emotions portrayed by the song, all mixed into one and into my general appreciation of the song depending on what/how I'm feeling when I'm listening to it.

The problem with most death metal is that the said mood is pretty much always the same. It becomes boring very quickly. I also watched another video with different bands and it really all sounded the same, even from band to band.

Here's a song with at least 10 completely different moods in it: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=n4WEAHRLorM

[ShAiOnEi]

Well that's just deicide for ya, they haven't changed their style nor their message in 20 years. I was just using it as an example. There are plenty of death metal bands I could pull out with more moods to offer.

You see, the effect of a riff is not only given my it's composition, but also by its place in the song. A heavy riff just after a calm part will sound much more powerful than after another heavy riff.

This is where you're going all wrong it's not about what you would expect for the music it's just their typical style. Most of your bands you listen to probably do what you just mentioned because it's logically better in your terms. Death metal goes for it's approach of it's own individual sound. This is getting way too technical and almost impossible for us to agree to anything so I hope we can just atleast agree that we each carry our own preferences/likes in metal.

I love dream theater and the song is great but I don't need 10 different moods in my music for it to be good. I'd rather listen to the music to get a point across rather than 200 different ones. All in all I enjoy Death metal because it has what I want.

Here is a Death metal song though that I think portrays many moods in one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIMW0aHN0ks

[Verruckter]

I thought it was just 3 minutes and 11 seconds of the exact same thing, except for the breakdown (call it whatever you want).

I honestly don't know how you can listen to countless hours of this without getting bored. I mean, the song was cool, it had some interesting ideas but all in all it was very similar to the other song you posted and to pretty much any pure death metal. I really don't understand how you can think this genre is diverse.

It's not even a question of point of view.

[.:Naikori:.]

Death, Speed, Heavy, and Nu Metal.

[ShAiOnEi]

Actually I don't appreciate origin that much, I'd rather listen to some Psyrcroptic or Abysmal dawn. These guys have gone over the point of tech death and into extreme brutal death metal. Have you ever listened to the band Death? One of the greatest bands in my opinion. Their my main reason why I love death metal so much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGvDSuycarg

[spinal_compression]

Neo classical?
Grindcore?
New wave of American metal?

[ShAiOnEi]

Originally Posted by spinal_compression

Neo classical?
Grindcore?
New wave of American metal?

Neo Classical isn't a genre it's actually a playing style. The styles used by Paul Gilbert, Yngwie malmsteen and Michael Angelo Batio and some others I don't feel like mentioning. A handful of people are only worthy of this term anyways.

[spinal_compression]

Neo-classical metal (also known as Shred metal) is a subgenre of heavy metal music...

I am sorry to have angered the God of, "Be specific in naming your sub genre."

[ShAiOnEi]

Yeah wikipedia, you sure showed me, now list more than twenty bands that uphold this genre if you can please.

[Shashakiro]

Whichever one Iron Maiden is

I've always been a little baffled by how many "sub-genres" of music there are, and why anyone in particular cares whether a song/band is progressive or alternative or avant-garde whatever >_>

[spinal_compression]

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

Whichever one Iron Maiden is

I've always been a little baffled by how many "sub-genres" of music there are, and why anyone in particular cares whether a song/band is progressive or alternative or avant-garde whatever >_>

I agree. Metal is metal. As long as there's a distinct difference between such and dance, hip hop and so on it's good enough for me.

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

Whichever one Iron Maiden is

I've always been a little baffled by how many "sub-genres" of music there are, and why anyone in particular cares whether a song/band is progressive or alternative or avant-garde whatever >_>

New Wave of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM) :P