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Old 08-21-2008, 04:31 AM   #141
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Ow, that one's a little passive-aggressive.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:32 AM   #142
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Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


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Old 08-21-2008, 04:34 AM   #143
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Oh god people laws like this have never mattered and never will. I remember drinking well before high school (Grade 10) even started. I've been at so many house parties where cops have came and broken up the party, sending people home and nothing more (Even though everyone is CLEARLY underage). No one cares. I can't think of one person i know who has never drank before their 18th birthday (the legal age here).

Everyone has to have that one night where they go too far and black out/get extremely sick. No one learns what being drunk is from hearing about it at school assemblys. They learn from being bent over a toilet for an hour puking their guts out. Then they go on with their lifes, whether or not they choose to keep drinking.

The people who DIE from getting drunk are an extreme minority. Should we raise the age of being allowed passage on an airplane to 18 because planes have crashes before? No, it makes no sense. People can die from doing almost anything, but its always a small minority that anything drastic happens too.

Drinking should be allowed at a much lower age as far as im concerned. The earlier its introduced, the earlier people begin to understand their own personal limits, and this will benefit everyone in the long run. Either way, underage drinking will keep happening, and will NEVER be punished any worse then having your drink poured out by the police.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:34 AM   #144
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That sounds like a thinly veiled insult, but I'll take the high road and assume you mean it literally. /sarcasm

I don't see where you draw your conclusions that accidents would automatically increase with the age minimum being lowered, nor do I see you refuting my angle of the argument that perhaps exposure and acceptance could reduce abuse rather than encourage it. Not simply by virtue of lowering age minimum, mind you. Read my post, or at least part of it.
I certainly agree that exposure, education and acceptance would greatly reduce abuse. That wasn't a point in question, which is why I didn't address/refute it.

What I'm trying to target is that if this law is revoked in the near future, a statistical portion of those kids would probably accept their new responsibilities, and a statistical portion would have absolutely no idea how to behave because they haven't been properly educated. Just kinda seems logical, and all we're really doing here is throwing out our opinions. Theoretically, neither of us can be right or wrong at this point.

And I was jesting with you in my previous post. No harm intended.

EDIT: And like awein said, this is regarding the short term and things getting a little worse. I think eventually things would settle down.

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Old 08-21-2008, 04:36 AM   #145
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Should we raise the age of being allowed passage on an airplane to 18 because planes have crashes before? No, it makes no sense.
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What I'm trying to target is that if this law is revoked in the near future, a statistical portion of those kids would probably accept their new responsibilities, and a statistical portion would have absolutely no idea how to behave because they haven't been properly educated. Just kinda seems logical, and all we're really doing here is throwing out our opinions. Theoretically, neither of us can be wrong at this point.
Of course some will be irresponsible and some will benefit, but how is that different than now? There's no way it'll be 100% one way or the other, but that doesn't say much in itself.

It's not about concrete proof, or being wrong or right with one opinion as absolute truth. As I understand it, it's about providing theories and ideas with logic and arguments to back those theories. I'm glad the argument isn't hostile, but I still don't see necessarily why there will be blood spilled on the streets the day 18 year olds are allowed to drink. When you think about it, that's only a three year difference. If the age minimum suddenly ceased to exist, I can forsee problems, particularly within this culture, but I'm not sure lowering the age minimum to 18 will suddenly cause the 18 year olds to drastically drink more or less. It's not hard to get alcohol when you're under 21, and for me it would just be removing the formalities more than anything.
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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]:
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because the venom gets into the blood stream which
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changing your genetic structure into a bee's.

Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


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I think sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better. And that would be the case lowering the drinking age in America. It's better in the long run
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Should we raise the age of being allowed passage on an airplane to 18 because planes have crashes before? No, it makes no sense.
I know! We should raise the age of the airplane. It has to be 18 before it can fly.
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My point clearly was that people can die from almost anything. Airplanes crash every now and then (very rarely these days). People die from alcohol poisoning too, also very rarely. I'm saying if you get on a plane/drink alcohol, chances are nothing terrible is going to happen. But in the case of drinking, people make a huge deal of pointing out the few serious incidents that DO occur.

edit at foilman: Dude, just cause your trying to sound smart when your posting, doesn't mean you are, so don't bash me.

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I certainly agree that exposure, education and acceptance would greatly reduce abuse.
This is probably the worst argument ever. For example, there's probably not one person over the age of 16 that doesn't know that if you smoke cigarettes, it WILL eventually kill you. It's basically long-term suicide. There is INCREDIBLE amounts of effort put into educating people (especially high school students) about the dangers of cigarettes. Now walk down the street and tell me how many cigarette butts you see. Even if people are educated, they will continue doing what "the majority" is doing. Whether its idiotic or not.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:47 AM   #149
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I know! We should raise the age of the airplane. It has to be 18 before it can fly.
Problem solved.
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"If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee,
because the venom gets into the blood stream which
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Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


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I am 21 and the drinking age here (England) is 18, smoking has also recently gone from 16 to 18. I started going out to pubs as soon as i could try and get passed the doorman which was about 16-17. I think if you are mature enough then 18 is a fine drinking age, but you do get some complete idiots that think they can take on the world when they are drunk. People mature so much from 18 - 21!

Also Tera, i really think when you are older you will drink.

Any way to answer the question in my opinion - if America did lower the drinking age to 18, i think there will be trouble to start with then it will all die down. Kind of like when England gave out 24hr drinking licenses to some pubs and clubs, the crime rate actually dropped after a while (for a bit it was higher as it was a new thing). The reason it dropped eventually is because before hand everyone was leaving when the law stated pubs had to stop serving alcohol (11pm) so everyone leaving pubs at the same time absolutely pissed out of their heads caused fights, stabbings, robbery, vandalism ect. Now it seems to be a steady trickle of people leaving at various times creating less crowds and less trouble.
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My point clearly was that people can die from almost anything. Airplanes crash every now and then (very rarely these days). People die from alcohol poisoning too, also very rarely. I'm saying if you get on a plane/drink alcohol, chances are nothing terrible is going to happen. But in the case of drinking, people make a huge deal of pointing out the few serious incidents that DO occur.
alcohol related incidents account for a fairly large population of the U.S. though. Do you mean the percentage of U.S citizens who try alcohol at any given time has a low incident rate? That's true but the point is it is an issue in today's society that needs to be addressed and I agree with you the age should be lowered
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I think if you are mature enough then 18 is a fine drinking age, but you do get some complete idiots that think they can take on the world when they are drunk. People mature so much from 18 - 21!
This probably hits the nail on the head more then anything. Everyone matures at a different age, and to try to put a general number on it is impossible. To cover their own ass's, the government is more or less forced to go with a higher number, although realistically everyone will start drinking before they hit "legal age". The point is people learn through experience, and those who are more mature will learn much faster.
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:10 AM   #153
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LOL are your drinking age higher then 18? It's 18 here but if I go to Denmark wich isn't far from here at all the drinking age is 16
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This probably hits the nail on the head more then anything. Everyone matures at a different age, and to try to put a general number on it is impossible. To cover their own ass's, the government is more or less forced to go with a higher number, although realistically everyone will start drinking before they hit "legal age". The point is people learn through experience, and those who are more mature will learn much faster.
Yeppers, I agree with this.

on occasion I drink with my big brother and my dad. Not because I like it, just because it's the only way I get quality time with them anymore. Dad works like 12 hours a day, so when he's not sleeping, he's drinking.

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Kind of like when England gave out 24hr drinking licenses to some pubs and clubs, the crime rate actually dropped after a while (for a bit it was higher as it was a new thing). The reason it dropped eventually is because before hand everyone was leaving when the law stated pubs had to stop serving alcohol (11pm) so everyone leaving pubs at the same time absolutely pissed out of their heads caused fights, stabbings, robbery, vandalism ect. Now it seems to be a steady trickle of people leaving at various times creating less crowds and less trouble.
This is what I'm thinking of, OrganisM. Not this particular instance, which I had no knowledge of, but the idea behind it.

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I kind of see the idea but I'm not sure how it directly applies. Remember that I'm talking about a change of environment and pace as well, though.
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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]:
"If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee,
because the venom gets into the blood stream which
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Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


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edit at foilman: Dude, just cause your trying to sound smart when your posting, doesn't mean you are, so don't bash me.

This is probably the worst argument ever. For example, there's probably not one person over the age of 16 that doesn't know that if you smoke cigarettes, it WILL eventually kill you. It's basically long-term suicide. There is INCREDIBLE amounts of effort put into educating people (especially high school students) about the dangers of cigarettes. Now walk down the street and tell me how many cigarette butts you see. Even if people are educated, they will continue doing what "the majority" is doing. Whether its idiotic or not.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, take it down a notch. I was making a joke, holy ****. I'm not trying to single you out or bash you, man, but you have to admit that your random hypothetical situations are kind of ridiculous and not apt for comparison.

And I think you misunderstood what I said, because exposure to alcohol will eventually kill you as well. By exposure, I was aiming at exposure to the consequences and the realities through education, not poisoning yourself with cigarettes and alcohol until you literally die from it.

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ryan, i've tried to be nice about it, but your arguments are terrible and your examples make absolutely no sense. "I like pears so buttsex can give you cancer!" is mostly what i'm getting. did you read my post about the subject? and if so, can you refute what i'm saying with evidence in what you've seen without using pure hypotheticals?
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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]:
"If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee,
because the venom gets into the blood stream which
spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body...
changing your genetic structure into a bee's.

Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


Originally Posted by
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"Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?"

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]:
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So, I just turned 21. As a result, I will be voting against lowering the drinking age.

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changing your genetic structure into a bee's.

Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


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