Is survival a loophole of morality?

qualy · 11-30-2004, 07:39 PM

I got inspired to make this thread from a conversation I had with someone on another site...

So what do you guys think? I'll post what I think later when I have more time. :P

CypherToorima · 11-30-2004, 07:41 PM

Wow...heh. I never thought of it that way. I suppose it's human nature to survive any way possible. Any way possible. Some may resort to cannibalism or may not. It's interesting to think of it like that. I suppose all morals are lost when your main concern is survival.

11-30-2004, 07:45 PM

No. I don't care about survival.

If it's "have sex with this prostitute or I'm going to kill you," fire away. I've got a better life waiting for me anyway after I'm gone from this world.

evilbutterfly · 11-30-2004, 07:46 PM

Or maybe morality is a loophole in survival? After all, which came first?

GuidoHunter · 11-30-2004, 07:48 PM

I think it's a bit harder to turn it around the way you did, evil.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

zildjian133 · 11-30-2004, 07:49 PM

Chardish that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. End.

**Tasselfoot** · 11-30-2004, 07:51 PM

you sure about that Chardish? that whole koran thing with 50 grapes waiting for you in the afterlife?

not a chance of that for me. I LOVE LIVING and i will do anything to protect my time on this earth. i have very very little faith in there being life after this one, so there isn't a chance that i will risk shortening my time here.

edit: unless the prostitute is fat/ugly. then fire away. one of those $500 an hour ladies of the night, i'm down with that. probably even most of the $100 a trick ones. you get much under that and you know you're getting some shady goods.

QreepyBORIS · 11-30-2004, 07:52 PM

Depends how many STDs the hooker has. If it's 0 and she's a hot'n, I'd have a go. Otherwise, it would be interesting getting shot. But extremely painful.

There's always a catch to things. =/

And survival is a loophole in morality only if you have strong morals, and some interesting ones at that.

qualy · 11-30-2004, 07:53 PM

Survival probably came first, evil. Humans had probably developed a sense of morality over time. People couldn't have just said this is good this is bad and that's all there is to it all of a sudden.

11-30-2004, 07:53 PM

I love living, too, and I'm going to do the best I can to preserve my life and make the most of it. But I'm not going to do anything that might jeopardize what comes after.

If it's morality or survival, I pick morality. It's only stupid if you don't believe in a world after this one.

evilbutterfly · 11-30-2004, 07:53 PM

I mean, animals don't have morals. If they're starving they'll eat each other. Humans created ethics and morals, and they get in the way of our survival at times. Like, a person may die for their children because to them it seems the right thing to do. If a wild animal died for their children, it would be saving them to ensure survival of their species. Humans don't think like that. We think on what is right or wrong, which can mess up our natural self-saving instincts.

So yeah, I flipped it just fine, I just didn't explain myself.

EDIT: this was in response to Guido

malithicus · 11-30-2004, 10:46 PM

survival is a loophole in morality in my opinion I mean tell me if you and your sibling (of oppisite sex) were the last 2 human beings in the universe. Would you not try and reproduce to repopulate the planet? I mean look in the bible adam and eve were made from 2 ribs from the almightys own body that makes them siblings techniqly and they populated the plaet if i rember correctly that there is a flaw in morality in its self

The_Q · 11-30-2004, 10:52 PM

If my hermanita and I were the only two left on the planet? No. Why? I know that with all the inbreeding, there would be too few a change in the genes to ever hope for human survival after 200 years.

Sure, I'm all for God, too, but I also enjoy this life. I'll do many things to stay alive. I don't know my limits,though. I've never tested them.

Q

malithicus · 11-30-2004, 10:57 PM

Thats wha tyou would think at a first thought. But think of it harder you'll never really know what it would be like to be the last 2 people on the planet or the universe.

GuidoHunter · 11-30-2004, 11:07 PM

I'm a fan of giving up at that point.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

malithicus · 11-30-2004, 11:08 PM

Then you are denying you and your humanity the ability to thrive and grow and u should be killed because if this happens u will kill our race guido.

**stretchypanda** · 11-30-2004, 11:09 PM

Man, Guido, people here sure want you dead.

Malithicus: Earth doesn't deserve the second chance.

malithicus · 11-30-2004, 11:19 PM

Sure earth has done some shitty things in the past. But everyone deserves a second chance. Especially if it means its life.

GuidoHunter · 11-30-2004, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malithicus

Then you are denying you and your humanity the ability to thrive and grow and u should be killed because if this happens u will kill our race guido.

I think whatever killed off the entire human race (save for me and my sister) would be what denied me and "my humanity" the ability to thrive.

So I should be killed, huh? For fear of killing our race? Haha, you're funny.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

**Tasselfoot** · 11-30-2004, 11:47 PM

guido wins.

and... is my sister hot? cause, it all comes down to that one important question. if she's hot, i'd do her. even my sister, in extreme circumstances. never had to actually debate this, as i don't have a sister, nor any female cousins.

but, yea. i'd step up to the plate if i was called to repopulation duty. but ONLY then. nothing else would make me want children. master of the world would be sweet though. i could dig that.

11-30-2004, 07:39 PM	#1
qualy FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Age: 34 Posts: 864	Is survival a loophole of morality? I got inspired to make this thread from a conversation I had with someone on another site... So what do you guys think? I'll post what I think later when I have more time. :P

11-30-2004, 07:41 PM	#2
CypherToorima Boss of all bosses Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phone Home! Age: 35 Posts: 2,452	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? Wow...heh. I never thought of it that way. I suppose it's human nature to survive any way possible. Any way possible. Some may resort to cannibalism or may not. It's interesting to think of it like that. I suppose all morals are lost when your main concern is survival. __________________ I'm a figantic gaggot

11-30-2004, 07:45 PM	#3
User6773 Guest Posts: n/a	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? No. I don't care about survival. If it's "have sex with this prostitute or I'm going to kill you," fire away. I've got a better life waiting for me anyway after I'm gone from this world.

11-30-2004, 07:46 PM	#4
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? Or maybe morality is a loophole in survival? After all, which came first? __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

11-30-2004, 07:49 PM	#6
zildjian133 FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: LOMG LOCATION@HERE Posts: 1,138	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? Chardish that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. End. __________________

11-30-2004, 07:51 PM	#7
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	you sure about that Chardish? that whole koran thing with 50 grapes waiting for you in the afterlife? not a chance of that for me. I LOVE LIVING and i will do anything to protect my time on this earth. i have very very little faith in there being life after this one, so there isn't a chance that i will risk shortening my time here. edit: unless the prostitute is fat/ugly. then fire away. one of those $500 an hour ladies of the night, i'm down with that. probably even most of the $100 a trick ones. you get much under that and you know you're getting some shady goods. __________________ RIP

11-30-2004, 07:52 PM	#8
QreepyBORIS FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: It is a mystery. Age: 33 Posts: 7,454	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? Depends how many STDs the hooker has. If it's 0 and she's a hot'n, I'd have a go. Otherwise, it would be interesting getting shot. But extremely painful. There's always a catch to things. =/ And survival is a loophole in morality only if you have strong morals, and some interesting ones at that. __________________ Signature subject to change. THE ZERRRRRG.

11-30-2004, 07:53 PM	#9
qualy FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Age: 34 Posts: 864	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? Survival probably came first, evil. Humans had probably developed a sense of morality over time. People couldn't have just said this is good this is bad and that's all there is to it all of a sudden.

11-30-2004, 10:46 PM	#12
malithicus FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: st.hubert quebec canada Posts: 40	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? survival is a loophole in morality in my opinion I mean tell me if you and your sibling (of oppisite sex) were the last 2 human beings in the universe. Would you not try and reproduce to repopulate the planet? I mean look in the bible adam and eve were made from 2 ribs from the almightys own body that makes them siblings techniqly and they populated the plaet if i rember correctly that there is a flaw in morality in its self __________________ How many emo kids does to screw in a lightbulb? none they all sit in the dark crying.

11-30-2004, 10:52 PM	#13
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? If my hermanita and I were the only two left on the planet? No. Why? I know that with all the inbreeding, there would be too few a change in the genes to ever hope for human survival after 200 years. Sure, I'm all for God, too, but I also enjoy this life. I'll do many things to stay alive. I don't know my limits,though. I've never tested them. Q

11-30-2004, 10:57 PM	#14
malithicus FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: st.hubert quebec canada Posts: 40	RE: Is survival a loophole of morality? Thats wha tyou would think at a first thought. But think of it harder you'll never really know what it would be like to be the last 2 people on the planet or the universe. __________________ How many emo kids does to screw in a lightbulb? none they all sit in the dark crying.

11-30-2004, 11:08 PM	#16
malithicus FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: st.hubert quebec canada Posts: 40	Then you are denying you and your humanity the ability to thrive and grow and u should be killed because if this happens u will kill our race guido. __________________ How many emo kids does to screw in a lightbulb? none they all sit in the dark crying.

11-30-2004, 11:09 PM	#17
stretchypanda shock me shock me Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texas Age: 39 Posts: 4,123	Man, Guido, people here sure want you dead. Malithicus: Earth doesn't deserve the second chance.

11-30-2004, 11:19 PM	#18
malithicus FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: st.hubert quebec canada Posts: 40	Sure earth has done some shitty things in the past. But everyone deserves a second chance. Especially if it means its life. __________________ How many emo kids does to screw in a lightbulb? none they all sit in the dark crying.

11-30-2004, 11:47 PM	#20
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	guido wins. and... is my sister hot? cause, it all comes down to that one important question. if she's hot, i'd do her. even my sister, in extreme circumstances. never had to actually debate this, as i don't have a sister, nor any female cousins. but, yea. i'd step up to the plate if i was called to repopulation duty. but ONLY then. nothing else would make me want children. master of the world would be sweet though. i could dig that. __________________ RIP

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