Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! - Page 2

rzr · 08-7-2008, 06:44 AM

When did Synth get so desperate for money?

**foilman8805** · 08-7-2008, 06:45 AM

The token is a bonus, I understand - but having to pay for something (the CD in this case) to also receive the token is already gaining a very negative reputation.

People are crazy for tokens on this website - the CD doesn't even matter, and in all actuality, the CD is the actual 'bonus' to the whole deal with the way people think on this website.

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Originally Posted by rzr

When did Synth get so desperate for money?

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=186

rzr · 08-7-2008, 06:57 AM

Took me a minute to read that whole thing. Well, once Mal gets it running for Verizon I will support it. Will it work for prepaid? Better...

**UserNameGoesHere** · 08-7-2008, 07:05 AM

I also don't think tiered membership pricing is a good strategy. If it happens, it happens but I think in the long run it'd just create problems.

Although it is entirely possible and viable to simply increase the prices of the current membership rates. Whether that is a good idea or not would have to be carefully weighed though. With increased prices come fewer takers but more money paid per taker.

I believe you could also just donate money as well if you feel so inclined. I'm sure you could ask about it and the administration would work something out.

Syhto · 08-7-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Phynx

HAHAHA! So then why do they let them pay for other features, such said features as normal subscribers have? Eh, got ya there.

What. My parents let "them" pay for other features? I am not following. You were obviously tired when you posted this.

To further touch on the subject at hand, I used to like an idea sort of like this. But now I don't. Like everyone has been saying, it really isn't a good thing to be doing for ffr. Money-wise I think so, but not community-wise.

DarthSatoris · 08-7-2008, 07:41 AM

Awww. come on. I think there are over 20,000 subscribers, and the advertisement thingy is there too. How is it possible that FFR.com uses that huge amount of money? That's a mystery to me...

**Sprite-** · 08-7-2008, 08:14 AM

There are not over 20,000 subscribers lmao.

wwwJ4mmYcouk · 08-7-2008, 08:30 AM

I think it is a good idea, a lot of websites have Gold membership, Silver membership, and standard membership, and obviously the more you pay the more you can have access too. Also i think you should sell Vrofl for 20$ :P I bet people would pay.

**Tasselfoot** · 08-7-2008, 10:20 AM

it's a good idea. but. there has been some lack of new features for subbies over the past few months. i'm aware of it, and do feel bad about it... but there aren't ALWAYS new features to test.

also, realistically, it's a pain to have to work with the artists to set up stuff that would be 'exclusive content'. like, for Dendrite v2, we are giving royalties to Spook. and we'd have to do that with EVERY exclusive content level... since if we're directly making money off the track, we have to give royalties to the musicians. therefore, we'd need artist permission and contracts and all that stuff.

much easier to do it with the SMS stuff, since we'd already have it all worked out for the album, and the level would be an add-on to that already done deal.

also... not to be the downer, but the difference in your rates between normal/elite really isn't much. 38 vs 45 for 1 year. monthly would be a decent difference... 42 vs 60. but, all in all, the hassle would make it not-so-great. we'd also feel extremely obligated to make sure you guys all got that content on a regular basis, etc etc .

QuadDamage · 08-7-2008, 10:21 AM

I still think discounts for FFR-branded hardware would be nice
I know for a fact that a lot of people would love a nice keyboard

**Phynx** · 08-7-2008, 10:50 AM

Well, it was an idea to toss around for a revenue boost sorta thing. Hell I'd pay it if it only gave us a cool color on our names. I'd pay it just cause. Also, those rates I gave are just random guesses at what they would actually be. But I still think this whole idea of an ELITE subscriber would be good for the site. I think if it really helped enough to where Synth wouldn't be in such a bind, people would follow through with it and understand its implication. But that's just me assuming a communities ideals. Most likely I'm way off.

**Tasselfoot** · 08-7-2008, 11:00 AM

Rubix: subscribing now gets a user a discount on a t-shirt. so, we do do that already.

Phynx: technically, you ARE an Elite FFR Supporter already.

**Phynx** · 08-7-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Phynx: technically, you ARE an Elite FFR Supporter already.

Technically yes. But it's not enough to help the site to efficient levels. I say make us pay MORE! Haha... if only I was rich, I'd drop an atomic bomb of money onto FFR. This place is too f*ckin' awesome to be seen in a bind.

**Tasselfoot** · 08-7-2008, 11:18 AM

you could always do what Afro did... buy multiple 1 year subbies at once. Just make sure to cancel the recurring nature of them, or you'd be hit by them all again in a year.

But, yea. Afro is subscribed for the next 9 or 10 years still. <3.

**cry4eternity** · 08-7-2008, 11:20 AM

What if we don't want the CD?

I like the idea, and I'd probably go for it if it was something I wanted. In my opinion, the best thing to offer would be something FFR-RELATED. Maybe an FFR keyboard like QuadDamage mentioned.. or heck, I bet people would pay to be included in a jury of sorts to vote on new material (meaning everything, not just new songs) coming into the site.

So, I like the concept... and I'd like to help out. The only thing is, it'd be nice to get something cool in return. I just don't care to buy music I probably won't listen to very much, and 7 bucks for a token, ew.

**Netjet!** · 08-7-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Phynx

Mr. Nothing and I were talking about it in another thread but I wanted to suggest this idea via its own thread. Seeing as the current downslide of income for FFR has taken its toll, we propose making an "ELITE" form of subscriber, one notch above the normal subscriber. Also, one feature we mentioned was having special tokens available only to these ELITE subscribers. I'm not positive if this has been mentioned before but I feel it is something to be reviewed in further depth. Making the rates for ELITE subscriptions as such:

1 Month: $5.00
6 Month: $28.00
1 Year: $45.00

Or something along those lines. These are rates I would EASILY pay off for a greater support to the site. Keeping the community alive here is of great importance to me so I would be willing to pay even more if it came to that.

About the tokens, maybe how about you do like: After one month of being in elite subscriber, it goes public for another month? I dunno, but the public should have access to them too.

**Phynx** · 08-7-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Netjet!

About the tokens, maybe how about you do like: After one month of being in elite subscriber, it goes public for another month? I dunno, but the public should have access to them too.

This could work, but I think it should be longer since you'd be paying a significant amount more for such treaties. I don't know what would be fair but I'd say 3-6 months.

This is just me though, that's probably too long. Lol.

**Netjet!** · 08-7-2008, 11:34 AM

Yeah maybe. Or the tokens can be "attainable" for Elite Subscribers, aka your idea, and then they can be given out to public members for very special reasons?

QuadDamage · 08-7-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Rubix: subscribing now gets a user a discount on a t-shirt. so, we do do that already.

Phynx: technically, you ARE an Elite FFR Supporter already.

I'm talking branded hardware -- keyboards, speakers, headphones, whatever -- not just T-Shirts. I think a lot people would like to have keyboards that have been verified to be very good for FFR, as not all keyboards, in fact, are. Many keyboards have non-responsive keys, or don't vibrate well, or are TOO sensitive and yield a bunch of boos, etc. Having a good keyboard that does what I tell it to when my fingers say so is grand. Subscription + discount on such hardware would ultimately help out profit margins, otherwise full price for non-subscribers would still compensate for costs anyway.

Besides, you can always sell such hardware with bonus content/tokens/etc... bonuses are always great <3

Magewout · 08-7-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by QuadDamage

I'm talking branded hardware -- keyboards, speakers, headphones, whatever -- not just T-Shirts. I think a lot people would like to have keyboards that have been verified to be very good for FFR, as not all keyboards, in fact, are. Many keyboards have non-responsive keys, or don't vibrate well, or are TOO sensitive and yield a bunch of boos, etc. Having a good keyboard that does what I tell it to when my fingers say so is grand. Subscription + discount on such hardware would ultimately help out profit margins, otherwise full price for non-subscribers would still compensate for costs anyway.

Besides, you can always sell such hardware with bonus content/tokens/etc... bonuses are always great <3

This idea is awesome, but I'll only support it when you also ship to Europe.

08-7-2008, 07:05 AM	#24
UserNameGoesHere FFR Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,114	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! I also don't think tiered membership pricing is a good strategy. If it happens, it happens but I think in the long run it'd just create problems. Although it is entirely possible and viable to simply increase the prices of the current membership rates. Whether that is a good idea or not would have to be carefully weighed though. With increased prices come fewer takers but more money paid per taker. I believe you could also just donate money as well if you feel so inclined. I'm sure you could ask about it and the administration would work something out.

08-7-2008, 07:41 AM	#26
DarthSatoris The Phantom Derp Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Denmark, a nice lil' country in Europe Age: 32 Posts: 178	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! Awww. come on. I think there are over 20,000 subscribers, and the advertisement thingy is there too. How is it possible that FFR.com uses that huge amount of money? That's a mystery to me... __________________

08-7-2008, 08:14 AM	#27
Sprite- HAVE ME WITH VODKA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Age: 35 Posts: 7,316	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! There are not over 20,000 subscribers lmao.

08-7-2008, 08:30 AM	#28
wwwJ4mmYcouk FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,031	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! I think it is a good idea, a lot of websites have Gold membership, Silver membership, and standard membership, and obviously the more you pay the more you can have access too. Also i think you should sell Vrofl for 20$ :P I bet people would pay. __________________ Frank Lee Morris Μήπως πραγματικά πνιγεί;

08-7-2008, 10:20 AM	#29
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! it's a good idea. but. there has been some lack of new features for subbies over the past few months. i'm aware of it, and do feel bad about it... but there aren't ALWAYS new features to test. also, realistically, it's a pain to have to work with the artists to set up stuff that would be 'exclusive content'. like, for Dendrite v2, we are giving royalties to Spook. and we'd have to do that with EVERY exclusive content level... since if we're directly making money off the track, we have to give royalties to the musicians. therefore, we'd need artist permission and contracts and all that stuff. much easier to do it with the SMS stuff, since we'd already have it all worked out for the album, and the level would be an add-on to that already done deal. also... not to be the downer, but the difference in your rates between normal/elite really isn't much. 38 vs 45 for 1 year. monthly would be a decent difference... 42 vs 60. but, all in all, the hassle would make it not-so-great. we'd also feel extremely obligated to make sure you guys all got that content on a regular basis, etc etc . __________________ RIP

08-7-2008, 10:21 AM	#30
QuadDamage Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 311	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! I still think discounts for FFR-branded hardware would be nice I know for a fact that a lot of people would love a nice keyboard

08-7-2008, 10:50 AM	#31
Phynx I'm Forever Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Twin Falls, Idaho Age: 34 Posts: 2,999	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! Well, it was an idea to toss around for a revenue boost sorta thing. Hell I'd pay it if it only gave us a cool color on our names. I'd pay it just cause. Also, those rates I gave are just random guesses at what they would actually be. But I still think this whole idea of an ELITE subscriber would be good for the site. I think if it really helped enough to where Synth wouldn't be in such a bind, people would follow through with it and understand its implication. But that's just me assuming a communities ideals. Most likely I'm way off. __________________ Guardin' of the Scared Shrine

08-7-2008, 11:00 AM	#32
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! Rubix: subscribing now gets a user a discount on a t-shirt. so, we do do that already. Phynx: technically, you ARE an Elite FFR Supporter already. __________________ RIP

08-7-2008, 11:18 AM	#34
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! you could always do what Afro did... buy multiple 1 year subbies at once. Just make sure to cancel the recurring nature of them, or you'd be hit by them all again in a year. But, yea. Afro is subscribed for the next 9 or 10 years still. <3. __________________ RIP

08-7-2008, 11:20 AM	#35
cry4eternity ~ added for cuteness Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Age: 31 Posts: 979	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! What if we don't want the CD? I like the idea, and I'd probably go for it if it was something I wanted. In my opinion, the best thing to offer would be something FFR-RELATED. Maybe an FFR keyboard like QuadDamage mentioned.. or heck, I bet people would pay to be included in a jury of sorts to vote on new material (meaning everything, not just new songs) coming into the site. So, I like the concept... and I'd like to help out. The only thing is, it'd be nice to get something cool in return. I just don't care to buy music I probably won't listen to very much, and 7 bucks for a token, ew. __________________ I'm retired

08-7-2008, 11:34 AM	#38
Netjet! Sic itur ad astra Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Age: 30 Posts: 4,700	Re: Synthlight N' Crew, Please Review. New Subsciber Option! Yeah maybe. Or the tokens can be "attainable" for Elite Subscribers, aka your idea, and then they can be given out to public members for very special reasons? __________________ RIP Steve Van Ness <3

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