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Old 09-11-2004, 09:48 AM   #41
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In college I never had homework, I just had tests. To pass the test you HAD to study though so homework became something that I had to create and finish by myself. I think the reason teachers dont care if you got it right or wrong (refering to homework) is because they are trying to prepare you for college.
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Old 09-11-2004, 02:21 PM   #42
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Ok, so I mixed up the names. Sorry, LUN.

AlbinoLime, you do realize that most of the money a stadium generates is used to fix up the costs of hosting people there. This includes the staff, equipment, management, etc. You also forgot to count up several benefits including novelty items, food, and pay restrooms.

In general, I'm afraid all you did was list how much money a stadium can make in one year, hooked it to the amounts players make, and say there's a definate connection. There is a connection, but it's indirect and unimportant.
As I said before, such stars are not paid for their performance but for their rare talent. People do want to see the talent, but it's hard to see (only in stadiums that seat so many people, so stadiums profit off of players, not the other way around), therefore the prices of the viewing the players talent goes up. Same works for any other specially talented person that people want to see.

Teachers should not be paid these huge sums because there are too many of them. If the number of teachers dropped to a tiny amount, they'd all be paid more. Why shouldn't it change? Because I don't feel like giving up my economy to make someone who trains my children to jump through hoops to get more money than I do avoiding the hoop.

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Old 09-11-2004, 03:54 PM   #43
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AlbinoLime, you do realize that most of the money a stadium generates is used to fix up the costs of hosting people there. This includes the staff, equipment, management, etc. You also forgot to count up several benefits including novelty items, food, and pay restrooms.

In general, I'm afraid all you did was list how much money a stadium can make in one year, hooked it to the amounts players make, and say there's a definate connection. There is a connection, but it's indirect and unimportant.
It's not that i forgot to include the other items, it's just that I didn't want to do any more research on the subject. If you didn't notice, I also didn't include things like merchandise. So the calculations may have been a bad example, but it still shows why the athletes get paid more than teachers. Besides, did anybody stop to think how much a math teacher from a top-rated university gets paid? Probably a lot more than $30,000.


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Your a fuckin dumbass, its the god damn truth. In mosts schools, homework isnt graded for if you did it right or not, its graded if you just did it and tried it. So if you did your homework, that means you could of benefited absolutely nothing from it and still get good grades. That means your dont have to actually think it through or solve anything, you could basically just write some bullshit and turn it in and get full credit, thats what i use to do when i was in 8th grade. So therefore, completing the work doesnt make you smart, the only reason you do it is because the teacher said so, so your getting a grade based on how obidient you are. And that doesnt just apply to homework, it applies to all work.
I am not the dumbass, just think about this for a second k?
In high school you will get credits for passing the classes you take, and you need credits to get out of there. If you get better grades in high school then you will be able to enroll in the higher-end colleges, you will also get the chance to qualify for more grants (which will save you money). In the end, the smart decision you would make would be getting as good as grades as you can, and taking all of the opportunities that you can. But with your attitude it sounds like you will always be poor and with the illusion that you are smart.
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:39 AM   #44
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Did i say anything about college? No. I said that in school the only way to pass is if your obidient. College is different because you cant just write some bullshit and pass, you actually have to do the work properly and study and think. Oh yea i forgot to mention, you dont have to be smart to get good grades, like i said, you just have to be obidient.
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:53 PM   #45
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You can't write some bullshit to get into a good college either. It has to be the right hoops you jump through and even then it matters if you knock them down midjump.

AnimaL, I want to apologize right now because I hate doing this. I already mentioned merchendise and other franchisable items in my post (or at least I think I did. I haven't read it back in a while). Also, you explation only shows that stadiums make a lot of money. Most of the time, the stadium contracts are completly separate from the owners of the team at all. The stadium is more of a middle man, charging it's fees to let you see the team most of that goes to stadium revenue, but another huge chunk goes to the team, but through the stadium. That's what is normally in the agreement, at least. Again, stadiums are rich because teams play there, not the other way around.

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Old 09-12-2004, 10:11 PM   #46
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Wrong person again. That was AlbinoLime.
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Old 09-12-2004, 10:40 PM   #47
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Y'know, I'm starting to get seriously confused at you crazy people.

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Old 09-21-2004, 10:20 PM   #48
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I know, I know...don't bump old thread. I just want to see if someone else cares. I certainly do. That's why I'm bumping...but you probably already knew that...dammit.

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Old 09-24-2004, 01:28 PM   #49
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ok, my pervious post was more of a vent but im seriously upset at the cutting of school funds. Where my district's cut funds are going, I dont care. I'm in the most advanced program for the gifted/talented academically my district offers. When I first signed up for this program, we were told that our funds would never get cut, we'd always have plenty of supplies, and the program would remain in operation for many years. Most of the above statements are false or will be false in the near future. We have to cut back on paper use at the building we go to for half the day, the other half of the day is spent at our home high schools, id expect paper conservation there but there's only about 130 people in the building at any given time using paper so it seems kind of pointless to me. Not to mention the omany fun things our class wont experience because of the budget cuts- biology used to do this big class project where the whole class made a skeleton with organs and muscles of a human out of colored rice krispies treats. We wont get to due to budget cuts. And if the budget cut plan continues, there will be nothing special about the program and thus, it will die. A pity really, its a great program and there should be at least one for every district. Even if its hosted in the home high school, these programs and other extra curricular activities are what makes school...bearable. With how little our district is spending on teachers and rennovations, the brand new building with some of the best trained teachers is a real nice incentive to go. Im still venting a bit and probably going on a bit too long about this but still, if our mostly quiet community needed to cut funds from somewhere, why the schools? We have plenty of cops, probably too many, their cracking down hard on the most trivial of crimes (its not a bad thing, its just that there's a cop on every corner)we have too many of them so a reduction of the police force would be better
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Old 09-26-2004, 02:57 PM   #50
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At least in my district the problem is never been funding, it's allocation.

Schools are government run, which naturally implies that they are inefficient. They throw monies into areas that will not benefit society and then don't have enough left over to help students that really could have a large impact upon there world.

Take for example, special education.

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It is not my intent to in any way shape or form degrade those whose physical or mental capabilities label them as "special ed." They are, for the most part, great people. I've been privilaged to call many of them friends and suprised that most of them agree with this theory.

It cost the state many times more to put a special education child through the public education system than a "mainstream" student. The fact that we throw so much money at children that have no real academic future is a hinderance to the education of many. We have choosen to educate everyone, even those who cannot comprehend it, as opposed to giving those who will grasp it the best education possible.

I do not call for an elitest public education system where only the top 5% are given the opportunity to better themselves, I am mearly suggesting that a Freshman should be able to read.

This is just one example.

Everywhere you look there are inspirational bannners and signs that cost hundreds of dollars to print, and yet art and music are cut again and again.

In short, as this is entirely too long and I am sure you all grow tired of the rant, it is not a lack of money, but dire mismanagement of resources that cripple our schools today.
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Old 09-27-2004, 01:28 PM   #51
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Speaking of mismanagement and special education students, a few years ago in my junior high, we had the special ed students cleaning the lunchroom everyday before the rest of us ate. Yet cleaning the luchroom is considered a form of punishment if you break a lunchroom rule.

while I do think that children with mental disabilities should have a seperate learning environment, what they are making them do seems almost degrading. Seriously, are we that strapped for cash that the sepcial ed kids are forced to do what a janitor won't? And our janitor probably could too, the funds were just taken from the cleaning budget and put into some other program like the school spirit parties that no one wants to go to. Or better still, we have student run video announcements every morning, however it has become more like sportscenter in the fact that they barely report on anything school related and just focus on sporting events around the globe. What a waste if you ask me.

Ah, the public school system- free learning for all...what a grand plan. Unfortunately, government greed and knowledge (or lack thereof) has made such a perfect solution to education needs seem like hell to those of us in it. Not all are this bad and most are pretty good but still, if one district can make it work why won't the rest make at least an effort before giving up and cutting the budget.
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Old 09-27-2004, 06:08 PM   #52
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Yes it could have. It isn't the government's fault that the people aspire towards 100% literacy (although I don't see why). Why should we blame them for giving us our money back? My only concern is spending money on those "school spirit" things that no one goes to. There's logic behind spending more on them, but I don't see why it's all necessary.

If you ask me, I think we should make education fees, instead of the average tax on everyone. It'll work kind of like a tax on the smart people and it works specifically for them. What happens is at the end of each academic year, all the kids get their scores (grades) assesed by the school. The school gives kids with the highest 20% of scores a chance for the "honors" program, but it costs extra. Don't worry about other people paying for it, it's only for those who wish to learn (or their parents wish them to learn.) and everyone's taxes will be lowered by it. Again, only the smart ones get the education fee for the better classes. This is not a garunteed method of doing things, though. I'm sure there will be more slackers that manage to make it in, but at least they're failing the classes at their own expense, not others. What happens if a family can't afford the fee? Naturally, the price would be lowered, maybe halved, but there shouldn't be too much slack given to these people or eventually the program will have too many people that shouldn't be in it at all.

All this really does is get rid of the redistribution and benefit the smart kids more. How does it benefit to the dumber ones? They'll get jobs from the smart ones later on in life.

Remember, this is only a basic outline, and I'm not to sure it'll work all that well. I had another far fetched idea earlier in this thread (volunteer teachers only) but this seems slightly more, shall we say, sane?

And about the special ed kids doing the janitor's work. I honestly don't see a reason not to do it, as long as the other kids don't see. If they are helping the school out and helping themselves at the same time, I don't see why not. It does sound wrong, but only because they are treated differently. What you were asking is that they be treated the same, even though they work in a different place with different people in a different way. That makes little sense to me. But then again, it's me.

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