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This is (to my family and friends, at least) a VERY high level of thinking (no, I don't think it's that hard). Do you think it's possible for people to be put in a world where nothing exists except for the people they meet (or see on T.V.) and the times before that were predetermined and programmed into the people? I mean, what if I'm the only human that can think and that nothing happened before I was born (or as far as I can remember) and everything was made up, like the year, the monuments, animals, plants, inventions, and atmosphere!? How do we know I'm not just being watched by a higher lifeform and have my environment set up to be to my like or dislike until I die, just to watch the senarios unfold?!
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Um...maybe? I don't understand what the critical thinking is here.
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:/ Maybe there is no world. Maybe it's all a little box with the things put in, like Jello (jiggly fruit dessert, not the guy XD), fossils, cotton, (yeah, I'm naming random things) and even planets. They (being the higher life form) could have also made laws and rules. This also faintly ties into if there is an afterlife or not :/ I feel so... thinking.
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Lot's of people have come up with the theory, and there is honestly no way to prove or disprove it.
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From my point of view, this is absurd, because you are proposing that I (as in my consciousness) don't exist by myself, and yet I know that I exist. However, I cannot prove to you, in this frame of mind, that I exist. I think there's a name for this theory, but I can't think of it right now. It proposes that only the individual exists (that is, you) and everything else is only an illusion (generally).
In my opinion: this is pointless. ~NEO |
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*sigh* When I wrote the first post, I had JUST thought of the box thing. What if everyone is a hologram, able of ACTING like it had emotions and feelings, and was somehow solidified. What if everyone that LOOKS and ACTS older than me just says things about the older days, but is really programmed to say that. Or, what if each person is REAL, but they all live in different areas (all being in different dimensions or something *.*) and each person in one world or dimension is different in another :/ Like, in Eric's world, the universe could be 6X6'' (according to my world's measurments), but all the people are extremely small and live in a utopia. Or in nonexistant's world, people are required to be naked, have only one language, and are burned by water and cleansed by what would be mud in my world!
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yes but why would that "super powerful life form" bother with so many different worlds? why not just one big one?
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What if, what if.
Untill you prove anything, or even come remotely close, I'm still sticking with my original thought: This is pointless. ~NEO |
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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Wouldn't that be cool!!!! Like if what you are saying is there are some other life forms watching us maybe even we were put here for entertainment, such as a reality show
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Yeah, basically. And Nonexitent, I'm just taking guesses here :/ Of course, they might not HAVE people watching if it was billions of boxes or dimensions. I was discussing this with friends and they said thatif they were holograms, they wouldn't be capable of emotions, like love, phyiscal movement, or speech, but I told them they were PROGRAMMED to tell me that XD And by the way, I had NO idea that this was a scientific theory :/ I probably wouldn't have posted if I knew *.*
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Not really a scientific theory, but I know it has been discussed before (maybe not here). It's more like a philosophical theory that hasn't ever gone anywhere.
Hey, if you want to believe that you live in your own little world, be my guest. Many people already think this way, but less on a philosophical scale, and more on an egotistical scale. ~NEO |
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0_9 I never thought of it like egotism! I mean, maybe I'm the only human. Or maybe you are, and I'M programmed to make you not believe! MWUAHAHA!!
Edit: I thought he said scientific! I guess you can tell I've never heard of it before =P |
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I think you're being very paranoid, my friend.
I though about...then realized that 1.You can't prove it and 2.If you keep thinking this way you'll go insane.
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It's so... disturbing. I mean, if everyone was a hologram, and you were arrested, you could just say that you thought that you were the only living human, or that everyone was just a hologram and you knew that they were programed to say everything to you. Thinking like that helps pass the time.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Don't flame him. And how can you say "You can't prove it" and dismiss it like that? I'd like for you to prove any of the other theories presented in this forum. In the topics about God, do you just think "Well, you can't prove it, so I won't bother to think about it"?
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I just caught this thread..
If you haven't figured it out yet, there is no real answer to this question, because the question you are asking can't relate to anyone else. It's very subjective, but let's give it a go anyways. I'm going to help you figure this one out by presenting to you what others have thought on it.. If you aren't familiar with him, Descartes was mad that well, all these people were walking around saying God did not exist. So one day he decided to work on a way to prove God did exist. He mulled it over and came up with the idea that he can't prove anything really exists but himself. You know the, I think, therefore I am line. That was his conclusion. What this meant was not even his physical form was real. For all he knew he could be tucked away in some dungeon, brain in a jar with electroids sticking out telling him he had hands, but that was fine to him, because at least he knew he was real. If you're having trouble grasping this, think of the Matrix. This idea, however, brings up a lot of problems, especially when interacting with other human beings. They could be real, they could not be, but you need to make the decision on what to accept as real before you begin to switch it up to get away with murder. because it is either one or the other, it can't be both. But let's say you are the only real thing in your universe. Well, how are you being programmed into thinking up these other people? You can't create something from nothing, right, so either a. They are there and interacting with you or b. something put these ideas in your mind. Descartes decided that he still can't prove that A can be true, since being a "scientist", his cornerstone of logic being the only thing I know to be true is my mind, it really throws everything else into question no matter how many times someone says to you "no retard, i'm real" .. So we're stuck with B, and he decides well B must mean then God has to exist, since I believe in God and something had to give me this idea of God. Anyways.. let's discard the second half of what Descartes thought and keep the first half, but he still brings up a very good point. If you are the only real thing in your universe, where the hell are you getting all these ideas? If we rewind to where Descartes got his ideas from, we end up with Plato and his idea of The Form. Plato thought this same question over, too. "Where the hell are my ideas coming from?", and concluded there must be this thing called a Form.. which dictates that there is this idea, somewhere, not on this earth, let's say of a computer. This would be then, the Form of the computer, and that Form is perfect. The perfect computer lies beyond us, but the idea is passed down into human minds, which creates a computer, and there you have your computer. That meant the ideas you got came from the Gods, which Descartes liked, so he used it with his ideas.. What all this is boiling down to is where you draw the line with another person. If you aren't on the assumption that well, if I am the only thing that I know exists, then this person does not exist.. However, if they are a person too, then they only can prove they exist, so you can see where this will head to really fast, and you'll end up in a quagmire simply because beyond yourself it's just not possible to prove anything exists. So let's switch it up and just assume that other people do in fact exist. This means a lot of new possibilities, such as where you now get your ideas. Let me put it this way.. If you decide other people do exist, then you can get your ideas from them, just like you are now, which then solves the riddle of where your thoughts are coming from. A key point of existantialism is that you are born blank, your mind is clean, no ideas yet. As soon as you are born you are bombarded with media ads, people teaching you how to think, what to eat, how to dress, so on and so forth. Another key idea built upon this framework is that once you learn language, you cease to be you and end up a product of the society you came from. Realize, any of these possibilities suggest it is ok to kill someone, however that will never hold up in court simply because it is against the law. Ok.. here's a better explanation. by saying "but if i think they are holograms it is ok then, right?" you are acknowledging this law against murder exists, therefore whether or not they are holograms doesn't matter. If you murder a hologram then you still broke the law, only because you are using these holograms as the basis for you definition of someone else. get it? I hope i didn't confuse you with my response. It's a loaded question, and any short answer simply won't do..
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