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Old 09-9-2004, 06:24 AM   #1
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I'm more intelligent/well endowed than you are because I don't believe there is a God.
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Old 09-9-2004, 07:07 AM   #2
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I am an atheist, thus I think this.
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I am a Christian, therefore I think your souls will burn in Hell for all of eternity, while God will furnish me with everlasting bliss in Heaven.

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Guido, Laharl was making fun of Nonexistent_One.
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Ouch. Still on the subject of personal put-downs, are we? Come on, I know that you're intelligent, and I know that you could be better than that. Besides, I never stated that, and I don't think I ever will.

Would you like to hear my take on how great it would be to have faith? Because I think that truly having faith in something like God is probably so much better than the confusion and questioning that I go through every day. I used to have this blind faith once, but my mind began to mature, and that began a chain reaction of questioning that led to the demise of this faith. If there was some way that I could truly believe in something like that again, I would do it. But I can't have faith in something unless I knkow that it's as true as I'm going to get. If I suddenly decided to just 'believe,' it would be like me telling you to actually 'believe,' without a doubt, that malevolent cheese is controlling the world. Unless there's something wrong with you, you won't implement that into your list of 'Things I Believe In With All My Heart.'

Overall, theists are probably much happier on average than atheists.

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Guido, Laharl was making fun of Nonexistent_One.
I picked up on the insincerity, so I decided to add some of my own. I didn't know it was directed at NEO, though. Just seemed like the thing to do.

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Old 09-9-2004, 09:21 PM   #7
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Guido, Laharl was making fun of Nonexistent_One.
This, I didn't know. I decided to come back just to see if anything had changed here, and it hadn't. Seeing 15 topics that all basically say that those that follow religion are retards and atheists are superior made the satirist inside me post.

Guido caught on to my sense of humor. Good job, man.
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I understand what it is like for neo, i have gone through that and still am. I dont know what is and what isnt and its frustrating when people try to tell you what is and what isnt when they too dont know the answers. The answers they hold can be seen as the answers some one else held because when the original question was asked an answer had to be given. We all look at greek mythology and we say, "The reason that religion failed/died is because it only served to explain naturally recurring events that at first glance seems supernatural. i mean why do the seasons change? is it because of the earth orbits the sun and when our planet is furthest away fom the sun we experience winter? Of course thats not the answer they came up with, how could they? So obviously since winter did occur, it must have been the work of some diety. Wallah! Thats how a religion gets started and until some one comes along and proves thats untrue it will be the accepted answer.
Now am I argueing that because thats how i look at it and that you are stupid for believing the original answer? No im not. For even though god doesnt blow cold air at us therefore causing winter I do believe he exists.
Why do I believe he exists? its because I had a spiritual experience therefore giving me faith in god however I understand that others cannot just believe because of the experience I had.
Lets look at it this way. 3x + 2y = 18
Your teacher says, "X is 4 and y is 3!"
Are you going to just assume that is the only answer? I mean the teacher's answer satisfies our curiosity, why come up with a different answer? I mean why go with 4 and 3 when I could go with 2 and 6? They are both good answers? Which one will I choose?
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Old 09-10-2004, 10:18 PM   #9
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I agree with you in full, NEO. I actually went to a Christian school for the majority of my education, and they expected each student to blindly accept God, as you said. But as I began to age and mature, I enquired their judgment, and their reasoning made less and less sense until I finally stopped blindly accepting their teachings. I did, of course, keep respecting the religion and I still believe there is some formless deity, but I stopped following their religious agenda, and that was an important step for me in advancing my level of thinking.
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I go to a Catholic school... My parents are Catholic... My friends (for the most part) are Catholic... I am surrounded by this religion, and I feel suffocated by it (no offense to anyone). I don't have much of a choice other than to discuss my beliefs online. I'm sorry if my posts seem arrogant or self-assertive, but everything just seems to come out in full force in my writings. But here, this is the only chance I get to truly state and debate my beliefs.

First of all, my parents would go nuts if they found out that I'm an Atheist. Not even my reasoning could begin to explain my situation to them, because I know they won't listen. It is people like the ones I was brought up around that make me want to steriotype all Catholics as close-minded and pushy about what they believe, but I know this isn't true. It so happens that one of my best friends is a very devout Catholic, but we have discussions about religion all the time, and I enjoy it. It's people like her that make me want to think that all Catholics are this open-minded and respectful. But that's not always true.

Secondly, I don't feel open to discussing my beliefs publicly, sinse my world is surrounded by Catholicism. There are very few people who know me personally that know my secret. Only my best friends know that I'm an Atheist, because those are the people that I know I can trust. Unfortunately, the internet is the only place that I feel totally free to discuss my beliefs. Most of my friends are O.K. with my beliefs, but I still have to water down everything I talk about when it comes to religion. On the internet, I don't have to hold back. I suppose this is why I post so much concerning religion, because I'm deprived of that conversation socailly, even though it is the one thing most on my mind.

If you think I'm here to destroy other's beliefs or inflate my ego, I disagree. I am simply an inquisitive mind, trying to make sense of things. I try to draw my own conclusions and try to find people with different beliefs to discuss my conclusions with. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, but I have freedom of speech.

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Old 09-10-2004, 11:42 PM   #11
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I'm a deist- I laugh at you.
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For those that don't know, I'm highly religious.

The first post was an example of satire.
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Old 09-12-2004, 07:52 PM   #16
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I quit religion. So, as a non-religious superintelligent person, I say to those close-minded catholics (OMG LOWERCASE) that post here, "Think critically". I was catholic (AGAIN!) for 16 years. I realized last year that religion is purely based on speculation from some idiots who may or may not have lived thousands of years ago. My English (Why is THIS uppercase?!) teacher put it bluntly when he said we were going to analyze the bible (!!!) as part of a lesson, "This is a fictional story. Since it is fiction, we can analyze it in a Public School (wow) without having to succumb to the laws about religion in schools."

I was even in a youth group for 2 years and in a catholic school for 5. I had baptism and confirmation while in that school. But none of it had meaning to me. I thought something was supposed to change but nothing did. That was 8th grade; probably where I started to lose interest in religion. Since then, I've read articles and books by prestigious authors that proved to me the inability for religion to exist. I heavily delved into the scientific meaning behind the universe and that made much more sense than the bible's teachings. All of these things, when put together, basically told me that religion is based off of lies and I don't want to be a part of it.

Besides. How much sense does it make that some crazy higher being controls the way the universe works? None, yo.

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Overall, theists are probably much happier on average than atheists.
Prove it. I gained about 90% more happiness when I discovered the fact that I didn't have to waste my time at a church every week. Once you realize there are so many better things to be doing than to be having subliminal messages within the church telling you that you suck and god rules, you'll see things the way I did.

Oh, right. About the subliminal messages. Well, put it this way. If a song you sing makes yourself sound like you are worthless (I QUOTE: "...That saved a wretch like me"), I do not want to be singing it or hearing it. Also, the things they make the congregation say basically sound to me like they're trying to get you to say it so many times that you start believing it. This is especially evident whenever they say the word "god". If you notice, you'll never see that word said (capitalized format) without some subtitle tacked on to it like "almighty" or "ever-forgiving". PSHH.

I think religion started as a way to unify the masses in order to gain power. The pope is now a major political figure even though half the people in the world don't even know his name.

Prove me wrong. Though, it's not like I'll convert. Keep your flyers to yourself and let me get to where I need to be.

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I said that they 'probably' are, because they live in ignorance (in my opinion). They can easily throw away any problem by saying "Oh, well, it's in the hands of God now," if they chose to do so. Whenever I discuss my beliefs about death--or even my beliefs in general--with Catholic friends, I usually get the reaction that my beliefs are 'depressing.' I'd assume that that reaction means that their beliefs are joyous and fulfilling. Sometimes, when I think about things too much, my emotions overcome me--I consider this a human weakness. I think that this weakness is responsible for the concept of a 'personal god.'

I am happy in a sense that I believe I'm not living in ignorance.

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Ignorance is bliss.

What am I ignoring? Fiction? Fallacies? How can I ignore something that hasn't ever been proven?

Now, if I were ignoring gravity, you could call me on that. You can't ignore gravity. It exists here. It's proven. See?



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Which debate to start? The fact that you can't prove anything (even the presence of gravity), or something on a religious basis?

Religion is completely based on faith. Nobody ever needs to prove anything religious; they just need to convince someone up to a threshold limit that will take care of all the rest. That threshold is the amount of faith a person has.

For people like Squeek who have little faith, that threshold is quite high. Pretty much nothing save God coming down from the heavens and bitch-slapping them will convince them that He exists. For people that place much stock in faith, all it might take is a Bible reference, an anecdote, or just the fear of living in eternal damnation for all of eternity.

I was reared Catholic, and I pretty much stopped believing in anything at sixteen. Fortunately (I believe), I'm getting my faith back. It's just something that happened.

NEO, faith-based beliefs are almost always joyous and fulfilling. I don't necessarily think contrary beliefs are "depressing", but Christianity is all about joy.

I can be of service if y'all want to debate against a faithful Catholic point of view. I may not wholeheartedly believe everything I say when I argue from there, but for the purpose of debate I'm just providing a service.

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