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Old 06-1-2008, 05:56 PM   #1
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Default Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

Most people believe that "Hackers" are "Bad" people. In most circumstances they are, but they are not always evil and corrupt, in fact some are nice and like to help out other people with their problems.

In saying this, more people believe they are "Bad" I am here to explain to you how they are, in fact not bad and how they help our internet and our ways of the internet life.

Hackers have their own lives as well, in fact they sometimes get money for hacking peoples emails, hacking websites, hacking servers, etc etc etc....
Now the problem with saying that is "Oh! he hacked me! Give me back my account!" to the servers higher Admins which are in charge of it and they obviously say "Well... Ok..." but that obviously depends on the circumstances. So you can't always blame everything on hackers you need to remember you can obviously have other ways to get your account on anything back by just filling in some info and bam you have that persons account.

Another thing is that some hackers ARE against us, yes but that is because they just want the info from other people or they just wanna have more power then other people. We are human, everyone wants power and everyone wants to be above other people! Its human! I mean I am even like that. I want to be first at everything, sometimes I am and sometimes I am not, and if I am not then i get really mad! But thats besides the fact. The fact is that hackers (Black Hat Hackers) do hack for a reason and thats POWER! Now sometimes it is illegal of course, but the other times is mostly because they just want to get people back for what they possibly did to them or a friend or family member of theirs. I would, would you?

In saying all of this, it is your turn. Are hackers with us? or are they against us? It is up to you. Choose your path.
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:05 PM   #2
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

This isn't really a critical thinking quality thread, in my opinion.

You're making a lot of brash claims with no real evidence to support anything.

And don't forget about those people who just like to hack and **** with people for kicks. They aren't bad at all.

Neither are the ones that steal your identity. Nope, those are good people.

It isn't hard to make the distinction between a good hacker and a bad hacker, like rzr pointed out.

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Old 06-1-2008, 06:08 PM   #3
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

How does this constitue higher-level thinking...?

Well, anyway, I generally agree. Because I don't feel like writing an elaborate response, I'll just say this:

Good hackers: Intelligence agencies searching for information on criminals, vigilantes witha sense of right and wrong, etc.

Bad hackers: People just looking to screw around and get a laugh, etc.

I don't see much of a point in debating this.
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:14 PM   #4
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

People who hack FFR obviously do it with good intentions.
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

When people say that hackers are all bad, they are generalizing what a hacker is. Hackers were originally people who came up with ways to do more with their computer than it's main purpose, and it started out not having anything to do with breaking security (as there wasn't really any back then) or causing trouble in any way, but through movies and other media, hacker's usually are associated with doing something bad.

Hacking isn't limited to computers either. It could be some modification to some other kind of mechanical device.
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:17 PM   #6
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

I believe that you are wrong in saying that this is not a higher level of thinking.
In fact, this subject has been debated on for quite sometime. Hackers aren't good and aren't bad. the question is how do you know if they are bad and how do you know if they are good? Other people wonder about this, in fact, the internet has been crawling with people that ask this question, what are hackers? and what are there true intentions and how do you know if there with us or against us? you don't know? I mean I could be one. Does that mean I am bad? or good? that is what I mean.
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:20 PM   #7
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

People who do good things are good, people who do bad things are bad.

If you do good things when you hack, you are a good hacker. If you do bad things when you hack, you are a bad hacker.

Hacking, and what constitutes hacking are clearly defined, so there isn't even anything to debate on that front.

It sounds like you're really just asking for opinions as to where the line is between white-hat and black-hat, and that's really no a CT kind of question.

I'm going to slide this over to Chit-chat.
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:23 PM   #8
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it depends on the person black hat's white hats ect. the term "hacker" is a mentality imo sense no matter what the individual knows or has interest in, all share some common characteristics, and sense everyone has deferences in opinion on what's right and wrong it's really not correct to say are hackers in general with us, because of how unique and diverse the term hacker is

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exactly that's why it's such a broad term
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:24 PM   #9
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

I believe the correct terminology for the "evil hackers" is actually "crackers." dean_machine is definitely correct on what hackers are supposed to be.

But nevermind that, after all, words are just words. Your argument is easily derailed; robbers have their own lives and so do murderers. Existing does not allow one to do anything and everything. Black hat hackers in general hack because they have nothing better to do, and enjoy taking pain in others suffering. They may have personal reasons for it, but in the end their actions speak for themselves.
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:25 PM   #10
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

In what context? People who hack the game or people who hack other parts?
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Old 06-1-2008, 06:56 PM   #11
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

Note to Tyriel: Just because it's a "Related" thread doesn't mean it's OK to bump it. Especially if you are just going to post the same thing in every thread.

Some of those threads are over four years old. Leave them dead.
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Old 06-1-2008, 07:01 PM   #12
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

I did not notice that they were 4 years old. I must not be reading properly today. Although it is still a subject that needs to be talked about. People in thinking hackers are bad are just as bad as to saying such things. and if i have to I would need to keep saying it until people eventually see that hackers are not what people think of them to be.
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Old 06-1-2008, 07:07 PM   #13
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

It is really hard to deal with your logic, Tyriel. It seems you are incapable of looking at all sides of the matter and you are set in your opinion like the sword in the stone.

You posed a two sided question, 'Are they with us, or against us?', but all I've seen you do is praise them for what you think are their selfless acts of altruism. Granted there are a few good people out there hacking for good reasons, the majority are clearly not of the same breed.
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

Foil, he's just defending his perspective. In my opinion, he's a hacker and looking for justification to his deeds.
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Here's the deal.

If you do anything that compromises the security of this website or its users, you will be banned. In extreme cases, we will call your ISP and notify them of what you're doing with their Internet service.

If you muck around and notice a security flaw in our website and bring it to our attention without exploiting the flaw, you will get a pat on the back.

It's up to you what you want to do with your knowledge. The fastest person in the world can either use their skills to run from cops or run in the Olympics. Just know that eventually, the cops will catch up with you.

Also, there's a BIG difference between "hackers" and "script kiddies". Most people who try to mess with FFR are script kiddies. They don't actually do any real "hacking" themselves, they just use other people's code.
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

If that is what you think then think what you will. My main reason was for the sole purpose of seeing what everyone thought of or thinks of hackers. Sadly all you have seen it for what it is in a bad way. I have seen it in a totally different way, which is something I must say makes me sad to see. I have said what I have needed to say. I am not in anyway a hacker. In fact I mean nothing more then to accept them for what they are. You don't seem to want to do that.

And yes most people who even try to hack this site just aren't hackers anyways. They merely (as you have said) script kiddie there way into this. I must add that people do try and sadly learn the hard way.
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Old 06-1-2008, 07:31 PM   #17
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Tyriel, are you trying to imply that you are a good hacker?
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No, I don't see it in a bad way.

You don't even know what a "hacker" is. Originally, being a hacker was a good thing. You didn't actually do anything wrong with any computer systems. Not only was hacking not a bad thing, there were even associations of hackers and hackers within companies. They were basically what we'd call network administrators today.

Then Crackers came out. What most people see as "Hackers" were actually "Crackers". But they used the word "Hacker" for themselves and ruined the etymology. That's why nowadays "Hacker" is negative. Despite the fact that we have positive and negative hackers, the word itself insinuates acts of misdeed.

I don't really see where you're going with this. Everyone knows about white hats, black hats, grey hats, etc. already.
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Default Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

I admire hackers who use their abilities for good. If you're simply looking for opinions, just say that. It's cool with us. But, if you're trying to do something subliminal like get someone to say something that would slip up a loop-hole, don't.

Oh, and I do not only see it in a bad way.
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I am in no way implying I am a hacker. In fact I am here so that people can understand the difference between the "Hacker" and someone who just wants to fool around with different things and find ways around some stupid site. I mean I can't lie, I have tried. I have done it before but I never hurt it. In fact I didn't like something about it so I edited something so small that they never noticed it. I mean sometimes people just don't like something and they just want to change it. Obviously that site never noticed until I told them that "Ya I edited this and this". They did not get me in trouble though. Thats my story for you. Now tell me, was I doing something bad? I mean I edited something that was useless. Its not bad unless you crash it or delete it. Even if don't think that I am a hacker for just that reason Alone. I don't do that anymore I am just a normal person playing a normal online-game. I hope you at least understand that much. Might I also add that I can't seem to stress this enough that Hackers are good people as well! Tell them they "Suck" and that they deserve to "Die" is like a threat. So please, don't do that anymore its not going to help anyone. Thank you.
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