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Old 03-3-2008, 10:45 PM   #1
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Default Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

I got myself Magix a few months back and am enjoying it. I have fun making drum beats but when I put the beat into the song, things just sound odd. My problem is that I don't know any drum techniques or patterns or much of anything really. If there is anyone who could show me where I may find some drum motif patterns or some break beats so that I may replicate them in Magix, I would be appreciative. Hell, I might name a song after you.
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Old 03-3-2008, 11:27 PM   #2
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I dont know much about drum breaks, but you can honestly find out alot just by listening to the music that you love and would like to create.
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Old 03-6-2008, 04:55 AM   #3
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If your doing breaks or drum and bass..

I'd advise you to look into the history of the 'Amen Break'

from there download that break.

you should be able to find a nicely sliced up sample that separates all of the drum pieces which you can then put into a drum machine or sampler.

check it out!
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Old 03-8-2008, 03:16 AM   #4
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Default Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

thanks. I've seen the Amen tab on wiki before and just forgot about it
However, I can not find anything else aside from the Amen, can anyone help me out?

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Old 03-10-2008, 04:39 PM   #5
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Default Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

D.C. pretty much summed it up nice right there with 'Listen to the music you like and are wanting to produce and go from there.'

That is all you need to do to start out. Just listen and mimic until you have it down and can create your own fresh imaginative drum patterns.

On the other topic of the Amen Break. You can listen to it. Learn about the fad that swept the commercial industry. And leave it alone.

The 'Amen Break' is a solo drum set that the Amen Brothers had recorded, then when sampling first surfaced, that happened to be the recorded sample that was spliced. Do not. I repeat. DO NOT get a hold of that sample for you to slice yourself and reuse. That is ridiculously overused, redone, and overdone again. Get some sample pack banks of percussion of your own and go from there, but using the Amen Break's drums will make you stand out as amateur. Sorry. I could just go off for hours about that break and people wanting to redo it all the time.

Anywho. I 2nd what D.C. said that I was going to intially say. Listen to what you'd like to produce, mimic, and go from there.
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The 'Amen Break' is a solo drum set that the Amen Brothers had recorded, then when sampling first surfaced, that happened to be the recorded sample that was spliced. Do not. I repeat. DO NOT get a hold of that sample for you to slice yourself and reuse. That is ridiculously overused, redone, and overdone again. Get some sample pack banks of percussion of your own and go from there, but using the Amen Break's drums will make you stand out as amateur. Sorry. I could just go off for hours about that break and people wanting to redo it all the time.
I feel like statements like these really deter from the purpose of music and reinforce the concept that music is simply a medium to grab attention for yourself, and that that is all you should be worrying about. There is a reason why the Amen Break has become so notoriously overused; the timbre of the beats and groove of the snap come together to allow some amazing sounds and equally amazing grooves. I don't think the problem is in its usage, I think its entirely in its execution. I mean for example, if you slice the snare down to 1/128ths, using pitch shifting you can make an entirely new instrument with an entirely new sound. And I'm sure that there are songs that can be composed in which not using the break would only leave the listener feeling dissatisfied. And if you don't believe that, I would point you toward Szamar Madar. It's like telling an artist that paintings of the sun are "overused".

EDIT: I HAVE to put this link in here, I'm sorry it's just worth the watch so badly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac
As well as the original song, because if the amen break had come elsewhere, and the original song was made today, everyone would still say "OVERUSED":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIb1-EEWt0
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I feel like statements like these really deter from the purpose of music and reinforce the concept that music is simply a medium to grab attention for yourself, and that that is all you should be worrying about. There is a reason why the Amen Break has become so notoriously overused; the timbre of the beats and groove of the snap come together to allow some amazing sounds and equally amazing grooves. I don't think the problem is in its usage, I think its entirely in its execution. I mean for example, if you slice the snare down to 1/128ths, using pitch shifting you can make an entirely new instrument with an entirely new sound. And I'm sure that there are songs that can be composed in which not using the break would only leave the listener feeling dissatisfied. And if you don't believe that, I would point you toward Szamar Madar. It's like telling an artist that paintings of the sun are "overused".

wow - i couldn't sum that up any better - but i will elaborate in my own words. : D


Anyone can take the Amen Break, slice it in beat and rearrange the segments of it - but to strip the sample down to its bare pieces, its individual snares, kicks, etc - change its pitches, throw in your filters and such. You can make a totally different sound. I suggested it only for an introduction into that sort of thing. The drums have a unique punch to them. I will admit it is overused, very overused. However there are individuals who have used that sample to were its barely recognizable. As 'sleeplessdragn' said or hinted to: Its all in the execution.

(Venetian Snares...So very good.)

However, 'zajac' poses a good point. It is nice to have your own set of percussion, once you can find the sound that you like for yourself. Just remember, always experiment and try new things, listening to music you enjoy yourself is a (of course) a great source of good influence and direction - music is infinite.
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However, 'zajac' poses a good point. It is nice to have your own set of percussion, once you can find the sound that you like for yourself. Just remember, always experiment and try new things, listening to music you enjoy yourself is a (of course) a great source of good influence and direction - music is infinite.
Yes. You are saying the same thing I said but only with different words. Thank you.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:38 AM   #9
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Yes. You are saying the same thing I said but only with different words. Thank you.
Haha, just had to sum it all up...mainly for myself XD
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Default Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

Every drum n bass artist uses the amen break at some point at least once. It's too classic and fun to play with not to. I say dl it, play with it, and go on your way.
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:29 PM   #11
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l grasp and agree what everyone is saying. music is most definitely infinite, and l can learn alot by experimenting and listening (which l have been doing)
but- not to push everyone's advice aside, if someone could show me where l can find Something like the Amen tab on Wiki
l think ld comprehend everything more. after l plugged the above in, it was like a light went on, but l hunger for more. any advice, oh wise ones (non sarcasm)?

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Old 03-11-2008, 11:31 PM   #12
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Start listening to metal.
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Start listening to metal.
Listen to this man.

You won't find better, more technical drumming in any other genre.
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If you want to learn about good drum beats, listen to songs by the band Meg & Dia. I saw them at an Angels And Airwaves concert few weeks back, the drummer is incredible and very technical, very creative. It might help.
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Yes. In order to better yourself in the aspect of laying down D'nB drum patterns, you should DEFINITELY list to Metal. Where multiple drums, (snares, kicks, hats, effects, etc) are not layered nor emphasized.

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I am looking for drum patterns in general, I am not going specifically for drum and bass.
A good pattern can be found in whatever genre. Latin (Woo, Conga Masta Ray Buretto), Classic Rock ('Zep) Funk, Hip Hop (most obviously), whatever.
However, I need something to look at, some sort of drum tab that I can copy, listen to and expand on. I have, however, been listening and still coming up with difficulties.
I don't know too much metal that is slow enough for me to pick out the pattern, but I am open to suggestions.

I respect your point, Zajac, however, I have heard metal where the drums were clean and noticeable.

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