Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[WinterFire-girzcute-]

Originally Posted by stargroup100

grammer can goes to sucks me dick

Smartdude and I seem to think on the same level, but we approach at different angles. Huh.
Oh fyi jazz is awesome. It's just that most everyone on FFR is too dumb to notice a good piece of music when they hear one.
I do agree that people should stop stepping kyle ward though, he already has tons of music in-game, we don't need more.

Newgrounds has a few good artists, but so few that it's really just not worth going there unless someone directly links you the artist's page.

And finally, the collab file I worked on with bmah is going to be freaking sweet.

A pirate now, are we?

[three17s]

Originally Posted by stargroup100

Smartdude and I seem to think on the same level, but we approach at different angles. Huh.
Oh fyi jazz is awesome. It's just that most everyone on FFR is too dumb to notice a good piece of music when they hear one.
I do agree that people should stop stepping kyle ward though, he already has tons of music in-game, we don't need more.

Newgrounds has a few good artists, but so few that it's really just not worth going there unless someone directly links you the artist's page.

Agree to disagree, but I too feel that quieter pieces of music are a pain to play. We're not noticing the pieces because we're dumb, we're not noticing them because we're playing something like Crowdpleaser or Hero's Theme (w.i.p.). Agreed on Kyle Ward. Newgrounds has a few good artists, but it all depends on your taste in music. You have a jazz taste, and I think we all can tell that based on your files.

[Xandertrax]

Originally Posted by stargroup100

Oh fyi jazz is awesome. It's just that most everyone on FFR is too dumb to notice a good piece of music when they hear one.

Just FYI, Personal Opinion ≠ Fact.

You might want to figure that out sooner or later.

P.S. Classical > Jazz.

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by Xandertrax

Just FYI, Personal Opinion ≠ Fact.

You might want to figure that out sooner or later.

P.S. Classical > Jazz.

Um, it's not a personal opinion. It really is fact.

While you can't say that every jazz song is great, because it certainly isn't, it is actually valid to say that jazz is a great genre and dismiss any negative comments about the genre.

The problem is that people are too opinion-based when it comes to music. There's always talk saying "oh I like this song you don't we have different tastes." In many cases you can actually claim and prove the quality of a song, just like how you can prove the quality of a stepfile.

That doesn't mean you can prove it with every case though. Sometimes the contrasting strengths or different styles of 2 songs in general make it impossible to compare, and sometimes the quality might even be ambiguous (avant-grade rofl), but generally quality can be proven.

Just because we have our own opinions in art doesn't mean there aren't concrete rules and facts behind every situation. Anyone who knows a lot about music will agree with me.

Now back to the statement about jazz. Jazz is great not only because of its influence and history, but also because of its technicality. Jazz was the first genre to break all the rules of music with its complex chords (9ths, 11ths, and 13ths, even funky stuff like half-dim sus4 and block chords) and use swing, a totally new element. Jazz solos not only showed skill and mastery of scales (this includes modes as well as majors and minors, even other variants), but ability to play ridiculously difficult passages. On top of that, these solos were often improvised. It completely revolutionized the music world. European experts generally think of America as a cultural waste dump, but almost unanimously agree that jazz is one of the only good things to come out of the US. If that wasn't enough to convince you, let's just say that without jazz, most rock and hip-hop might not have existed today.

Oh that's not even the beginning. This is a very general paragraph describing a few characteristics of a type of jazz. This stretches into even further genres, and I didn't even start talking about syncopation, its roots, the instrumentation, blue notes, polyrhythms, and more.

Now about classical music. Classical music is generally the king of all music because of its history and because it generally drew the basis and fundamentals of music. While it is by far the most influential genre of all, saying it's better than jazz is not exactly correct. Nor can you say jazz is better. Specific pieces in each genre can highlight the advantages of the genre, what it has over the other one, but these two are too vast to form any concrete superiority. Also, jazz is a new genre, so theoretically, we should be progressing forward, so jazz should be more advanced. Yet because it is new, it's not developed as fully, so it should also be worse. Even today, both genres are growing (slowly, but growing) because of how vast and influential they are, so nothing concrete can be drawn about the genres themselves.

[Xandertrax]

Jazz is a good type of music, yes, I can appreciate that, but it is not as revolutionary as you make it.

Like most of history, it basically repeats what came before it in a different style.

Jazz did not "break the rules" by using 9ths, 11ths, etc. Those started to be used more and more during the romantic period. Go look at some Liszt, he uses those often.

The improvization of the baroque era showed a high mastery of scales and stuff as well, definetly on par to some of the best bebop musicians. Look at any of the Harpsichord solos in the Brandenburg Concertos. Counterpoint and improvization dissappeared after Bach's death because nobody could do it as well as him.

And again, with modes. They too have been around for far longer than jazz. Given, they weren't quite used as much, but they still existed. They appeared more and more often in the romantic era, when composers began to 'break the rules.'

Basically, Jazz picked up what the rest of history didn't use quite as often, and mixed it together.

P.S. Avant garde.

P.P.S When's the batch coming?

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by Xandertrax

discussion

It is quite revolutionary. Not as influential as classical of course, but classical is more gradual.

Yes I'm aware of the romantic period and Liszt's work, but Liszt did not use the full variants of these chords, and did not focus primarily on these complex chords like the jazz genre.

I am actually not very aware of improvisation during the Baroque era, I'll look that up.

Yeah modes were around for a long time. They were the first scales, dating even before the Baroque era. Jazz was able to use them effectively with many other scales and chords.

[Tasselfoot]

go to CT and make a music history thread. Stop spamming it here.

[Turboyoshi]

Quick Question, do we have Permission for Electronic Elation?

[Tasselfoot]

yes.

[D.J. Cristo]

I'm curious as to how these colab files work. When I become more experienced at making files, I think I might like to do one. Could I get some information on those? Also, how was your trip, Tass? XD

[Tasselfoot]

Philly was fine. Florida is fine so far, although it was overcast yesterday.

[dore]

Originally Posted by D.J. Cristo

I'm curious as to how these colab files work. When I become more experienced at making files, I think I might like to do one. Could I get some information on those?

Two people split up the work, whether by splitting in half or changing up each section or whatever. Then you send it in as one file with two stepartists.

Speaking of collabs, I'll fix our collab eastside, I know exactly how to change it I just haven't gotten around to it.

[behanjc]

About collabs, I'm just wondering if it has been fixed where on the artists' profiles, both artists are credited with the file. I remember in the early days of collabs, this was not possible for some reason.

[eastsideman09]

Originally Posted by dore

Speaking of collabs, I'll fix our collab eastside, I know exactly how to change it I just haven't gotten around to it.

thats fine.... take your time.... i know you have that "dore" project youre working on..... lol

[MilkChan]

Originally Posted by robertsona

Edit: To Stargroup:
VSnares, VSnares, VSnares.

Do Vache for an FGO.

[gnr61]

did /you //get /my /file?

i /think /theres /a /3 /framer /or /something

[bmah]

Tass, is it ok if I do a song that is just over 5 minutes long? There are 6 phases throughout the song, and editing the 6 parts of the song would be a pain. If you would mind, I can send the song to you first and get an opinion.

[Celira]

...Whoa, this thread is full of serious business. Oh, forums.

Right, so my question was-- I've been reading about 'colored note syndrome' and what constitutes an acceptable amount, or too many? I've got a couple of 32nds in the file I'm currently toying around with, but they sync perfectly to the music and most other notes are standard 4/8/16 otherwise.

[Knoobish]

Originally Posted by Celira

...Whoa, this thread is full of serious business. Oh, forums.

Right, so my question was-- I've been reading about 'colored note syndrome' and what constitutes an acceptable amount, or too many? I've got a couple of 32nds in the file I'm currently toying around with, but they sync perfectly to the music and most other notes are standard 4/8/16 otherwise.

Colored Note Syndrome is more when you have a lot of 64th's/48th's/White Arrows in your file. It usually means that you did a poor job syncing the music. Sometimes the arrows are correct: look at TGWP1-5, 600AD, Grand Gallop Chromatique, etc.

To answer your question, 32nd's are fine. Just make sure they aren't causing any framers (see the sticky in this forum "are my jacks okay?" for more info)

[gnr61]

i think /what /he /means /is /just /-how /many- /coloured /notes /are /considered /coloured /note /syndrome. /IMO, /ANY /stream /that /plays /as /8th /or /16th /stream /but /is /filled /with /all /orange /or /green /notes /is /coloured /note /syndrome. /think /the /end /of /FAXX /or /MSWGO.