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Old 07-17-2004, 11:46 AM   #41
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The only problem with your theory here, even mine from the latter post, is that the first post is correct. As much as we don't realize it, as much as we hate to admit it, as muh of a horror it truely means, we are the last superpower. We have the moral highground as well as the military and economical. If a country gets in our way, we can wipe them off of the face of the Earth without too much effort at all. With power like that, I wouldn't even trust myself with the presidency. How am I supposed to trust Bush, who's already abused the power, or Kerry, who I don't think can handle the power?

And Sabina-san, you're welcome. After rereading, I found my post to be slightly inadequate as well. Again, I apologize.

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Old 07-17-2004, 12:35 PM   #42
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Also, I was watching Failry Odd Parents when I was in USA (yeah don't ask me what I was doing watching that stupid show...anyways) and I noticed they where talking like if USA was the best country in the world. Actually...they said that it was the best country in the world.
Because god knows the best way to judge a country is by its media.


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Seriously. It's the wrongest thing to ever be invented. I've been off it for about a year now and I've never felt better. Think of it this way: When you're planning your evening are you planning around that 9:00 showtime or around your friend's interests?
Around my interests. Only pussies live for their friends' interests.

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With the way the American government acts, it's no surprise the citizens think they're the best thing on the planet.
Nice condescending tone, says something ironic about what you think of your own country.


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They say they strive for equality, but they've got more racism then some third world countries (but, granted, not as much violence towards them.)
Yep, the KKK sure is alive and kickin' down where I live, they're a pretty group of people.-

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One day, when it's too late, we'll ALL realize that colours don't matter, that no country is superior, and that if we want to survive, we'll have to work together. When it's too late.
Yeah, go global communism duder! Oh wait that already failed in several countries and the few that are communist now sure aren't very strong and kicking. You sound like one of those fucking 'let's create a friendly utopia!' idiots who forgot that Sir Thomas More used the word utopia because it means "nowhere"... your little 'everyone holding hands and fighting for a better tomorrow' isn't going to happen.


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America i believe is more about itself than most countries. It's not really a bad thing, think about it. They're the only country that still uses the imperial system, their kids are really only taught american history in school, and i'm sure there's all kinds of other things. It's just the way kids are brought up. It's up to them to decide what to think.
So that's why I was in World Geography Freshman year and European History sophomore year? Why in all my high school science classes we've never used the imperial units of measurement? It's a good thing we get to decide what we think; it sure would suck if someone else did all that for us, dumbass.

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Brainwashed? Of course. Children, for the most part, mirror their parents.

If Dad is talking about how the "Wetbacks" keep ruining our great country by immigrating across the border and working for less pay, the kid is going to be racist against the Latino People.

If Dad is talking about how the large coperations keep holding down the little man, and how the rainforests need saving, then the kid is going to be a "Leaf-Person" (aka, Tree Hugging Hippy).

If Dad is absent from the dinner table, and mother is too, and the only way the child is to here stories about life is from the TV, then the child will learn that Teenagers have sex 24/7, and Minorities will shoot you.

It is the parent's job to teach them right from wrong. It is the Parent's job to take care of their children.
Simplified, yes, you're correct but it's more complicated than that. If a parents ideas are too radical a child will reject them and do the exact opposite because their innate sense of reason or what society as a whole (society at large generally has a larger sway on children than a parent) has told them works at a level of order above the parent.


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America=not brainwashed. We aren't being brainwashed into thinking we are the best. We are, no denying it, the last superpower in the world. We've even passed super, we're into Mega. If some country pisses us off, flick our finger and we can have half of our superb air force and a small chuck of troops over to obliterate the government there. It's too simple. Only problem, which keeps the world at peace right now, is that the government knows it's more profit to trade with your enemies than to conquer them.
You say that like it's a good thing.

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Just an FYI, He's 21.

Secondly, LEGO, you're a pretty good example of a bullsh*tter. Go south and ask people where British Columbia is.
Somewhere in Canada. You'd get more wrong answers if you asked where Nunavut was since you're trying to be all cool and holier than thou.

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Hell, you could even ask some where Canada is and they wouldn't know.
It's near the Cape of Good Hope rite?

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The fact that half (probably not that much, but I'd 20-30%) of your population thinks all cold weather comes from Canada to the US (they're wrong, it's the other way around) and we all live in Igloos and it never gets over 60F, ever
You're stereotyping us like you think we stereotype you, fucking hypocrite. Give me some statistics to back that bullshit up.

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can't name our Prime Minister
As soon as he or she plays a pivotal role in world politics I'll care. Last I checked I don't know who the leaders of Germany, The Canary Islands, and Azerbaijan are right now either; o damn I'm a failiure :/


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and you think you're educated about all of the world when you don't even know anything about your neighbours to the north. I'd say you're pretty brainwashed. Name things about Asia, Africa, and Europe that the common people wouldn't know.
That the common people wouldn't know? Durr, I think the average American is a common person not a history major in geoglobal events. You just did a fine job of making yourself look like an elitist retard.


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Ahem... I've seen more Canadians know about their Geograhy than Americans, and as for Africa, since you Americans where too lazy to do your own work yourself, you had to go and capture poor people and make the work for you for nothing (or almost).
What the fuck. So actions taken by our forefathers well over 300 years ago are now the fault of the current day citizens. I think you forgot that the original explorers in Canada had slaves as well.


I'm done with this idiocy, I'm not going to bother rebutting anything past this.
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Old 07-17-2004, 01:22 PM   #43
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Also, I was watching Failry Odd Parents when I was in USA (yeah don't ask me what I was doing watching that stupid show...anyways) and I noticed they where talking like if USA was the best country in the world. Actually...they said that it was the best country in the world.
Why are you taking Fairly Oddparents seriously? WHY?

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Hell, you could even ask some where Canada is and they wouldn't know.
Oh, anyone could miss Canada, tucked all the way down there...
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Old 07-17-2004, 02:23 PM   #44
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It's human nature to feel good about your country.


Reason #473 on why humans suck; they have countries/cities/states/blahblahblah.
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Old 07-17-2004, 06:02 PM   #45
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Woohoo, now we have a fanatic moron splicing only the parts he doesn't like about our arguments together with his own twisted beliefs trying to make us believe that he's smart enough to stay out of this "idiotic discussion." Go ahead and quote me on that, I quoted him.

Sorry, I'm just slightly pissed. NOW, where do I begin with my rebuttal? No argument? Sure, I'll start there. What next? The fact that he went through both sides of this thing and then into trashing Canada like and ignoramus? Sounds fair enough.

Now the part that makes it personal. How do you think that using trade to keep from nuking everything that frustrates you into nothingness is bad? You profit on more than one count. The world profits. Who loses, besides the man who's country is embargoed?

Whoa. Flame, sorry folks. He just...gahhhh...

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Old 07-17-2004, 06:45 PM   #46
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America=not brainwashed. We aren't being brainwashed into thinking we are the best. We are, no denying it, the last superpower in the world. We've even passed super, we're into Mega. If some country pisses us off, flick our finger and we can have half of our superb air force and a small chuck of troops over to obliterate the government there. It's too simple. Only problem, which keeps the world at peace right now, is that the government knows it's more profit to trade with your enemies than to conquer them.
Let's have a looksee.

"We aren't being brainwashed into thinking we are the best. We are, no denying it." is the logical fallacy 'begging the question' and must be dropped from contention which also destroys your following points which chain off of it: "We're the last superpower in the world. We've even passed super, we're into mega... etc..."

You also seem to think that with a 'flick [of] our finger' we can take out any country we want. Possibly, but you never conisdered the ramifications of said actions. Every group in the world (such as the UN) would be against us if we proceeded militaristic actions that are diametrically opposed to other groups' actions. Oh they wouldn't just glare at us like we are doing by ignoring their decision and going into Iraq, they'd assault our country.

"Only problem, which keeps the world at peace right now, is that the government knows it's more profit to trade with your enemies than to conquer them."

That's a problem? And global imperialism which is what I can infer that you suggest from that statement isn't.

You seem to forget traits that stem from global imperialism: Lower QoL, corrupt governmetns, etc... I dare say I'm going down the slippery slope here but it would lead to anarchy.
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Old 07-17-2004, 11:55 PM   #47
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I appreciate you spending time elaborating on your rebuttal. Do that for more than one paragraph and I'd be more impressed. I would appreciate it more if you did it for everyone else.

Now on to the discussion. "'We aren't being brainwashed into thinking we are the best. We are, no denying it.' is the logical fallacy..." I disagree. We are the best. I am not being told this by any source within our country, I'm looking at the cold hard facts. We won a land war in Asia, in Afghanistan even (the country fought over in the Great Game). We have the most stable economy in the world. Our written morals, whether we uphold them or not, are things that many countries are striving to gain as well. We truly are the best. We have no competition at it either, thus proving my statement of "We're the last superpower in the world." The following statement, the one saying how we have gone beyond super, is further inplying that we have no competition in being the strongest.

I also know about the ramifications. We are the last superpower, and history tells us that the little people tend to overthrow the big man. American Revolution, French Revolution, Magna Carta, all of these support my claim. I know because we are the superpower that we are watched closely. We are despised. I know that it is a matter of time before we are challenged. I can only hope that history isn't always right.

Finally, I never said that global imperialism was good. It is the last thing I would endorse. I said, maybe not clearly, that trade profit is the one thing that keeps any country from wars of conquest. If that caused confusion, I apologize. I sincerely apologize for the flame I wrote earlier today. The fact that you provided little or not point or reason behind your so called "rebuttal" sent me over the wall.

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Old 07-18-2004, 12:38 AM   #48
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Do you really think that with all this crap that has been going on with the younger generation, (yes, my generation,) we will be able to uphold the morals and the values that our forefathers fought for? Well guess what, in case you haven't noticed, we aren't doing a very good job so far!

Unless we are given a significant wake-up call, most of us are just going to end snug in our own little country, with the Media's horror story about the rest of the world in our minds, brainwashed as all the idiots who said that Rome would never fall.

The winds of change are ever gale-force, my friends, and they will continue to shift power.

I turn to Eastern Asia. Already some of their cities are making ours look backwards. And at least most of them have healthier attitudes over there.

History will repeat itself, and we are poised for it to happen over the next couple of decades.
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Old 07-19-2004, 01:44 AM   #49
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When you say "plz no flamign" It's just ASKING for the topic to go rancid.


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Old 07-26-2004, 11:45 AM   #50
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Thank you, The Typist! I agree with you wholeheartedly. Most people our age are so spoiled rotton by our country's good fortune that they don't realize what is really happening to us. We're becoming too complacent and we need to wake up. We're on the verge of being adults and we're the next ones to make decisions for this country. That fact scares me considering that most people our age tend to believe everything that's dished out to them through the media.

We're entering a scary time, everybody. I fear for our country and the world.
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