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Old 12-4-2007, 09:07 PM   #21
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YoshiSlayer, what state are you from? I run XC, Indoor, and Outdoor Track all year as well. I'm from Lansingburgh in Section II, New York.

These are my times from this year, I'm a Sophmore(anything not 5k is from Freshman year):

5k= 18:35.7(Sectionals)(I think the best on my team was 16:32 or something like that, the kid made it to states and our team took 2nd for our class(Class B) in Sectionals)

400= 60.09
600= 1:42.05
800= 2:21.09
1600= 5:27.09

Yoshi, your workouts are very similar to my team's workouts.
We're pretty close in skill. My 800m is only 2 seconds faster than yours.

By the way, do you run against a team called Smithtown? They have an unstoppable varsity team. We have two kids who are sub 16, and 3 others that are sub 17, and we got owned by them.

Interestingly enough, that is where I would have gone to HS if I hadn't moved.
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Old 12-4-2007, 10:25 PM   #22
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im in college this year but those times were from highschool

yea 2:04 is pretty bad though from where im from...winning time in state last year for highschool was 1:54 for the 800m

i red flagged this year for xc and track in college because im still no where near where i need to be to make the top team.

i need my 800m to be down to a 2:01 to just make it, i would like to get down to 1:56 though. The 1600m needs to get down to under 4:25. and my 5k needs to get down to under 16:00. yea i have some work to do but those tips i stated earlier are helping me tremendously. i will do a coupld time trials soon and ill keep you updated if you want.

i go to University of Oshkosh Wisconsin, division 3. our xc team is outragiously amazing though, we can take on some of the top division 1 teams. and have placed the last few years at nationals.
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Old 12-4-2007, 10:40 PM   #23
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Uhm, weights isn't actually a bad idea. I don't run for any track and field or anything like that, but i do jog around here every night because i have too, cause i have crooked bones in my knees. But i can assure you that you shouldn't get hurt from wearing weights on your ankles, i have to wear them and when i take them off it makes everything lighter and it makes it a lot easier to run, but you have to start off small, don't start off with a really heavy weight cause then you'd hurt yourself, but start small and get used to the weights getting heavier otherwise you'd probably mess yourself up. Not sure if this helps any, it only does for me because oh my physical disability, but I have a breathing problem as well and it doesn't strain me anymore than it would normally without them. This probably has nothing to do with any of the information you're looking for, but if it helps at all .. your welcome lol.
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Old 12-4-2007, 10:53 PM   #24
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Uhm, weights isn't actually a bad idea. I don't run for any track and field or anything like that, but i do jog around here every night because i have too, cause i have crooked bones in my knees. But i can assure you that you shouldn't get hurt from wearing weights on your ankles, i have to wear them and when i take them off it makes everything lighter and it makes it a lot easier to run, but you have to start off small, don't start off with a really heavy weight cause then you'd hurt yourself, but start small and get used to the weights getting heavier otherwise you'd probably mess yourself up. Not sure if this helps any, it only does for me because oh my physical disability, but I have a breathing problem as well and it doesn't strain me anymore than it would normally without them. This probably has nothing to do with any of the information you're looking for, but if it helps at all .. your welcome lol.

sorry but, you are wrong

we arent talking about jogging here. sure its ok to walk/fast walk with weights on but when you run, well thats a different story.

us runners already put enough punishment on our knees and ankles, and ever if we added just a single pound it would hurt us more than it would help. my normal training pace...the pace that i run on an easy day...is about 6:30-6:45 mins per mile for at the very least 5 miles. any added weight would hurt a "runners" body more than it could ever help them. so no...weights are a bad bad bad idea. there are different types of workouts one can do to get their legs stronger, i.e. hill workouts, fartleks, tempo runs, fatigue runs. and if a runner really wanted to strengthen up then they would go to the weight room and lift weights...not the bodylifter type weights...just multiple repetitions of lighter weights. runners want to be slim...not bulcky
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Old 12-5-2007, 07:40 AM   #25
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Uhm, weights isn't actually a bad idea. I don't run for any track and field or anything like that, but i do jog around here every night because i have too, cause i have crooked bones in my knees. But i can assure you that you shouldn't get hurt from wearing weights on your ankles, i have to wear them and when i take them off it makes everything lighter and it makes it a lot easier to run, but you have to start off small, don't start off with a really heavy weight cause then you'd hurt yourself, but start small and get used to the weights getting heavier otherwise you'd probably mess yourself up. Not sure if this helps any, it only does for me because oh my physical disability, but I have a breathing problem as well and it doesn't strain me anymore than it would normally without them. This probably has nothing to do with any of the information you're looking for, but if it helps at all .. your welcome lol.
So you're saying I should run for seven miles at a 7:00 mile pace with 10 pounds of metal on my ankles? That's just going to break my ankles, rip my muscles, and end my career. Nobody that runs any running sport uses weights during their runs. Nobody. It's just not practical, or safe.

If you don't run, you probably don't know what you're talking about, unless you know the anatomy of a human like the back of your hand.
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Old 12-5-2007, 12:28 PM   #26
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Well hey .. i didn't say you HAD to take the advice, and i said it probably won't help at all but it does for me, but I ALSO said that i don't run for track and field or XC or anny bs like that.. i run because I have to.. and the doctor makes me wear the weights - and if it were as bad as you make it sound i don't think the doctor would make me wear them.. but whatever, it was justa suggestion.. don't shoot someone for suggestin somthing, noone said you had to listen to it ..
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Old 12-5-2007, 01:27 PM   #27
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Well hey .. i didn't say you HAD to take the advice, and i said it probably won't help at all but it does for me, but I ALSO said that i don't run for track and field or XC or anny bs like that.. i run because I have to.. and the doctor makes me wear the weights - and if it were as bad as you make it sound i don't think the doctor would make me wear them.. but whatever, it was justa suggestion.. don't shoot someone for suggestin somthing, noone said you had to listen to it ..
please dont say "run" unless you actually "run". you by definition are a jogger. Me and shadow are "runners". nothing pisses me off more when someone says that jogging is runner. no it is not. running in my eyes and many others is running where you cant have a conversation while doing it, so anything at around a 7 min per mile pace. sure you may might be out of shape and cant talk while "jogging" but for running you have to be taking atleast a certain amount of steps per minute. So never again can you say you "run" when you clearly are "jogging"

Shadow made this thread asking about "running in general", clearly does it not say anything about "jogging"
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Old 12-7-2007, 06:25 PM   #28
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While Shadow and Yoshi are correct about the weights on your legs, it can be beneficial to wear a weighted vest on your upper body to increase your corse muscle strength and your quads supporting it. Core muscles are very, very important for a runner.

Best way to take a runner out with one hit, kick them in the shins.

Also, a "runner" is someone who runs, it's more than just a person running at a fast-like pace, they're a runner. It's part of their spirit.

And Cindy, yes, we appreciate your input, but you are wrong about weight on your ankles being beneficial to the runner, so don't take such offense to your correction.

And no, I've not heard of any "Smith Town" in Section II of New York. The most unstoppable teams in Section II, New York, that I know of are the AA schools which are the largest schools(Shenendohowa, Shaker, Guilderland, Burnt Hills(Actually Class A but are still untouchable for my Class B school(Lansingburgh))).

I'm a runner.
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Old 12-7-2007, 06:48 PM   #29
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Train at 20x Earth's gravity!

Haha, j/k. But on a serious note:

Improving your flexibility will make your movements more economical. Just thought I'd mention it since nobody has said anything about that yet.

PS - I ran XC for Hendricken. That's right...GamerShadow knows who we are. Fear us.
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Old 12-7-2007, 07:25 PM   #30
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blah blah blah Burnt Hills blah blah blah
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Old 12-7-2007, 10:18 PM   #31
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Intervals,Intervals,Intervals. Also, i would recommend for the mornings:
5 minute warmup
15 minute speedwork
5 minute cooldown
5 minute stretch
Then do whatever your coach says for the afternoon.
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Five minutes isn't really a warmup/cooldown
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Five minutes isn't really a warmup/cooldown
I agree, but your really not warming up for a 'real' workout. The idea is to get your legs snappy, fresh and ready for the afternoon's workout. Also, i should have mentioned that the speedwork is not the usual balls to the walls 100's or 200's, its more of a 100 meter stride at a fast but controlled pace.
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Old 12-8-2007, 09:31 AM   #34
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Pshh running

Track and field is the best!

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Old 12-8-2007, 02:08 PM   #35
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First Indoor Meet today:

4x800 B-2:29,
600: 1:42.5

Bleh.

Outdoor Track is the best.
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Old 12-8-2007, 08:53 PM   #36
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I like using my elliptical since I have knee problems, it's great for off season running especially now that it's December and all. (personally I like running in the cold but that's me)

You're doing really well from the looks of those times. You'll have no problem Junior year.
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Old 12-9-2007, 12:47 AM   #37
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LightKnight, those are ok times for the first meet...and on top of that it was indoor. where were you in the line up though? start, 2, 3, or anchor? depending on where you are can have a big impact on the time you run. for instance if you run first then you will have the pressure of getting your relay in the race thus making you need to run faster...same goes for the anchor..but im sure you already knew this. usually the 2 middle people are the slowest of the 4th...but that doesnt mean that they are slow.

i just ran an 800m race a few days ago...well it wasnt a race it was just me seeing what shape im in. i ran a 2:17...not bad for not running since october 1st...
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