Heroes

[mead1]

Originally Posted by Omeganitros

Dude, Noah is ****ed. Which sucks, cuz he's awesome. =(

I'm going to cry when they off him.

[Wilkin]

What if Adam doesn't even remember Hiro?

Peter lost his memory after he exploded, seeing as he was in perfect health in the video Bob showed Mohinder, one would assume he would try to contact someone in that time (unless there was some complication with the Company). How he might've "lost" it again I have no idea.

After Adam blew up as well, it's possible that he also would've lost his memory after the fact.

Plus, I like how everything Hiro knew, up to the last Kensei story, never actually existed in history without Hiro.

EDIT: Also, Peter never tried to come back from 2008. Even though he can't control all his powers, it would definitely require some sort of concentration. Just like Parkman managed to use his power in different ways, maybe someone sent Peter to and from 2008 somehow, though it would all point to Adam, as he was creepily waiting there for Peter.

[travman301]

Did anyone else notice that one of the painting was of Peter looking over all of the dead bodies in future New York.

I thought all of those paintings were supposed to be someone's death.

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by travman301

Did anyone else notice that one of the painting was of Peter looking over all of the dead bodies in future New York.

I thought all of those paintings were supposed to be someone's death.

Originally Posted by Squeek

I got the chance to look at all the paintings in detail. In the order they're placed in the warehouse:

1) Claire dead on the steps. This already happened. It was the ploy used to make Debbie pay for her misdeeds.
2) A hand holding a vial. No idea, really. It could be the cure to the disease.
3) A person (looks like Niki) about to smash in a door.
4) A biohazard symbol on a painting with a shocked expression on a man who looks like Peter. Probably related to the insight into 2008 that he and Caitlin saw.
5) Hiro fighting Kensei in a sword duel. (6/8)
6) Mohinder crying as he fires a bullet at someone. (7/8)
7) Bennet shot in the face as Claire kisses a shadowed stranger. (8/8)

@Wilkin: Adam remembers Hiro. Definitely.

The history bit was altered when Hiro interfered with that guy on the battlefield. Hiro messed up history. It could be argued that Hiro was the true Kensei, but I doubt it. Something in history would've made Kensei understand that he was invincible and that he could do whatever he wanted. In this situation, it wouldn't be too hard to understand that with this superman attitude, he'd try to win over some cute girl by doing all these things to save her daddy.

Peter didn't know he could travel in time. He probably figured it was someone else's doing or an illusion of sorts, right up until he got sent back to 2007.

[travman301]

Originally Posted by Squeek

@Wilkin: Adam remembers Hiro. Definitely.

The history bit was altered when Hiro interfered with that guy on the battlefield. Hiro messed up history. It could be argued that Hiro was the true Kensei, but I doubt it. Something in history would've made Kensei understand that he was invincible and that he could do whatever he wanted. In this situation, it wouldn't be too hard to understand that with this superman attitude, he'd try to win over some cute girl by doing all these things to save her daddy.

Peter didn't know he could travel in time. He probably figured it was someone else's doing or an illusion of sorts, right up until he got sent back to 2007.

I'm confused now.

I thought that they said that each painting would depict the death of one the original heroes, but these paintings are nonsensical (as you stated in your original post).

It will be interesting to see how they pan this together.

[Squeek]

They never said the paintings would show a death.

Maybe that's where you're getting confused.

[travman301]

Originally Posted by Squeek

They never said the paintings would show a death.

Maybe that's where you're getting confused.

Lol, really?

If so, that would explain it... : /

[Wilkin]

Good thing they showed what happened to Sylar like last week said they would.

ps hell of a beard for Nathan in three weeks.

[reddarkd]

You kids and your music television

[Squeek]

Tim Kring apologized for the shoddy work in Season 2. It's apparent.

This episode was solid until about halfway through.

Seriously, what the crap. Why was D.L. able to phase through a punch to the head, but not a bullet? TWICE now. That's a completely illegitimate death for his character.

And still no explanation as to how Peter got D.L.'s ability. Sure, he was there at Kirby Plaza, but he never saw him use it.

Eh. I have this sneaking suspicion the jail cell was an act to get Adam on Peter's good side. It just seems stupid to me.

[Wilkin]

I'm thinking the same thing about Adam.

D.L. phasing through the punch is good reaction time, I figure. He wouldn't have let the bullet from Linderman phase, since it would've hit Niki. Not sure about the second bullet, though. I'd think if you saw a gun pointed anywhere toward you, you'd turn phase mode on.

Plus, is it impossible for Peter to get the Haitian's power, since he blocked Peter's powers? Maybe it's a selective thing, since Elle could still use her lighting next to him, and Peter could get if the blocking was on him.

On another note, since the Haitian has two powers (power blocking and memory "erasing"), it might be another example of power evolution, as in he was originally able to block memories (not erase permanently, since Peter was able to recover his), but expanded his power to be able to block other powers. It's an interesting thought.

[Squeek]

I'm pissed about the way D.L. died, in case it weren't obvious. The hock for this episode was "D.L. makes the ultimate sacrifice." There was no sacrifice. He was killed in cold blood for absolutely no reason. Seriously. Who kills a guy who comes to take his wife home and has a photograph as proof of their relationship?

And it's pretty obvious to me that most of these people have instinctive abilities. That is to say, their abilities kick in during perilous situations. Proof of this is that Peter healed when he jumped off the school platform thing with Sylar back in season 1. He had no idea he could heal. His body did it on instinct.

Peter probably has The Haitian's power. Even though he's never once used it.

And uh, how did Peter un-forget, anyway? It doesn't make sense unless he has acquired some un-Haitian ability.

[tsugomaru]

What's this about only being 3 more episodes?

I assumed a season was 24-26 episodes, what happened?

In any case, he got his memories back because of the "spontaneous regeneration" ability. Adam said it himself, just remember something that was important to you. However, that seems very plot-holey. The SR ability is starting to be overpowered. Completely regenerate yourself, immortality, ability to heal those around you, and now, the ability to remember forgotten things.

By the way, this isn't the first time that D.L. was unable to get his power to work to avoid a hit. Remember when Jessica sent him flying into a wardrobe? Plus, it wouldn't be the first time that a power fails when needed, remember Hiro?

~Tsugomaru

[Squeek]

They think it'll end December 3rd because of the writer's strike. Also because Kring is unhappy with the way Volume 2 worked out. He wants to jump straight into Volume 3 after the halfway point in the season.

There's a difference between Volumes and Seasons.

[audiophile99]

That writer's strike thing stinks. All of the shows I watch are being cut short, which includes Heroes (of course)

[Xapti]

Originally Posted by Squeek

Seriously, what the crap. Why was D.L. able to phase through a punch to the head, but not a bullet? TWICE now. That's a completely illegitimate death for his character.

Well there's definately the reaction time thing, but considering one would think he'd have phased out as soon as he saw the gun (unless he was shocked, or thinking it was an idle threat - like who would actually kill a person for punching them), it's possible that he can't control phasing through very small and/or fast moving things like bullets - a punch is pretty fast, and somewhat small though.

Originally Posted by Squeek

And still no explanation as to how Peter got D.L.'s ability. Sure, he was there at Kirby Plaza, but he never saw him use it.

Yeah I was very much confused by that part as well. Not only that, but he didn't even know the guy.

Originally Posted by Squeek

Eh. I have this sneaking suspicion the jail cell was an act to get Adam on Peter's good side. It just seems stupid to me.

You're saying that Bob and his henchie were in on it? I highly doubt that, since Bob talked to other people about how Adam was a bad person, and was locked up (unless maybe he wants to pit them against Peter and Adam, but seems unlikely to me, personally).

I also have one comment about the episode I noticed. When Peter wakes up after being shocked at the hospital, he is jolted by the blond haired woman, but when peter tries to use his powers, they are suppressed. Her ability should have been supressed as well.

Also, when it comes to one of the first episodes of the second season (I'm guessing the second one), what do you think the goals/affiliation of that illusionist woman was? This may have already been discussed in this topic, but I wasn't following it.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Squeek

Seriously. Who kills a guy who comes to take his wife home and has a photograph as proof of their relationship?

Coke fiends.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by Xapti

You're saying that Bob and his henchie were in on it? I highly doubt that, since Bob talked to other people about how Adam was a bad person, and was locked up (unless maybe he wants to pit them against Peter and Adam, but seems unlikely to me, personally).

I also have one comment about the episode I noticed. When Peter wakes up after being shocked at the hospital, he is jolted by the blond haired woman, but when peter tries to use his powers, they are suppressed. Her ability should have been supressed as well.

Also, when it comes to one of the first episodes of the second season (I'm guessing the second one), what do you think the goals/affiliation of that illusionist woman was? This may have already been discussed in this topic, but I wasn't following it.

Bob worked for Adam for years. I'd say it's highly possible that they're still in cahoots. You know how some of the original 12 were faithful to the organization and some weren't, right? Like how Linderman and Angela Pettrelli wanted the "bomb" in NYC to go off while Kaito Nakamura and Charles Deveaux did not. It's possible Adam was pro-bomb and even came up with the idea of it. I'd say it's very likely that Bob was in on it as well.

I think the Haitian can control whose powers he cancels out. I don't think he just broadcasts his cancellation abilities.

As for Candice's goals, I'm thinking she was working with the Company to bring in someone who also had a multitude of abilities for experimental purposes. It's weird that they didn't experiment with Peter, but I guess they figured he was unstable.

[Silvuh]

I was thinking about this on Sunday, but I didn't post. Now I'm trying to remember what all I thought...

Hm. Matt inherited his dad's power, but how come no one else inherited their parents' powers? And about his dad's power... Molly fainted when she was being controlled by him. And when they were in the nightmare Molly was kept in, they all saw each other. But when Nathan and Matt fought in a nightmare, they were seeing someone else, and they were conscious. That sounds more like something Candice could do. (She had a cool power. Too bad Sylar offed her. Don't miss her as much as Charlie, though.)

Hm... what else... Oh. Adam... there was that article about the snow. He did that, right? And he could have made a tsunami, or whatever Bob said... So, he can control weather and spontaneously generate? That seems like two completely unrelated things, so it seems unlikely one power would sprout from the other. And he never manipulated the weather in feudal Japan, so...?

Can't think of any other questions I had a few days ago. Here's some more that just sprung up, though: in the preview for the next episode, when it mentioned a "battle" (once again, or whatever was said), it showed Noah and Mohinder... I think the swordfight between Hiro and Adam would be more of a "battle", but... eh, we'll see what happens. Guess that part just won't be as epic as hoped.

How exactly does Alejandro's healing work? It just seems odd that in the present, he heals everyone that Maya kills, yet everyone at his wedding party and that cop died. Is that just another one of those power developments?

The twist on Nikki's power is interesting. So she is her twin and also her alternate identity? Might that mean that she can be anyone who she "creates"? Are her alternate identities always going to want to control her? It seems unfair that her power is more of an impediment.

Uhm, yeah. Hope next week's episode will be good.

[Squeek]

A lot of people mis-heard Bob's talk about Adam.

The organization did those things. That just means one person within that group of 12 had the capability of weather control, or maybe just something like Sylar's snow power (he did get it from someone).