Molto Ggc And Revo Scores - Page 4

MrRubix · 11-5-2007, 06:28 PM

Technically his scores are possible with controlled mashing. I'd have to test myself using DS to see if the scores are comparable (basically you'd have to DS the whole song because there's no way he'd be able to control his DS for small sections since it'd require temporary use of one-handed play, which is prob not something AOD can do for songs of this caliber).

Ok, just tested it. His score is probably legit. He probably just mashwhored multiple sections of the song -- it's technically possible. When I DS'ed the song I had like 700+ boos, but maybe I overabused it. Regardless, it's a hard call to make without seeing a video of him playing.

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 06:29 PM

sorry when im mad i dont really think about what im doing lol i just noticed the triple post too..

**XpTrIpPyNeSsXd** · 11-5-2007, 06:29 PM

AOD, is so mature. I totally believe his argument because of how adult, and serious he is acting.

MrRubix · 11-5-2007, 06:30 PM

Technically his scores are possible with controlled mashing. I'd have to test myself using DS to see if the scores are comparable (basically you'd have to DS the whole song because there's no way he'd be able to control his DS for small sections since it'd require temporary use of one-handed play, which is prob not something AOD can do for songs of this caliber).

Ok, just tested it (mashwhoring more spots of the song that is necessary). His score is probably legit. He probably just mashwhored multiple sections of the song -- it's technically possible. When I DS'ed the song I had like 700+ boos, but maybe I overabused it. Regardless, it's a hard call to make without seeing a video of him playing. Usually DS correlates high boo and average counts since you're flooding the input, and his Average count isn't as high as one would expect when using DS (I had over 270 Averages using DS)

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRubix

Technically his scores are possible with controlled mashing. I'd have to test myself using DS to see if the scores are comparable (basically you'd have to DS the whole song because there's no way he'd be able to control his DS for small sections since it'd require temporary use of one-handed play, which is prob not something AOD can do for songs of this caliber).

Ok, just tested it. His score is probably legit. He probably just mashwhored multiple sections of the song -- it's technically possible. When I DS'ed the song I had like 700+ boos, but maybe I overabused it. Regardless, it's a hard call to make without seeing a video of him playing.

thank you very much but just by you saying i probably didnt use double setup doesnt make everyone satisfied so i am not either i want them to say for a fact i did not use double setup thanks for the support

**XXXsmittyXXX** · 11-5-2007, 06:32 PM

i just honestly think you double setup nothing wrong with that.
molto scores should range between the 25 and 80 boos margin if you only mash certain sections. Obviously you mashed ALOT of sections and hell you may have even double
setup'd on some of them. Just my opinion.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 06:34 PM

LOL saw his vid. sorry dude, but the vids kinda worthless if you don't hit the jacks at all. after all, how can we tell if you DS if we can't see how you hit jacks? >_>

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XXXsmittyXXX

i just honestly think you double setup nothing wrong with that.
molto scores should range between the 25 and 80 boos margin if you only mash certain sections. Obviously you mashed ALOT of sections and hell you may have even double
setup'd on some of them. Just my opinion.

everyone has their opinions and i dont care about them i just want to let u all know i didnt use double setup why would i start a thread based only on me and draw my attention to get scores i deserve deleted that would be very stupid

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnr61

LOL saw his vid. sorry dude, but the vids kinda worthless if you don't hit the jacks at all. after all, how can we tell if you DS if we can't see how you hit jacks? >_>

exactly y i said molto isnt based on skill its more reliable to base it on luck to just hit the jacks and i showed you where i got my boo's i judt didnt get lucky enough to hit the jacks considering i porbably only did it a few times and with a recorder going at the same time u realize that makes the luck part even harder

sometime dan when we go to fns in the middle lets go to your house and let me play molto a few times on ur pc let me get used to it and ill try my best to hit the jacks

**XpTrIpPyNeSsXd** · 11-5-2007, 06:36 PM

If you can mash fast enough to get that many boos, you should probably be fast enough to hit the notes.

**jimerax** · 11-5-2007, 06:38 PM

funny how you got so many boos on really easy section in your molto vid.

7 misses on Revo is genius, and not too many boos compared to other songs relatively.

just my opinion.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOD_ELEMENT

exactly y i said molto isnt based on skill its more reliable to base it on luck to just hit the jacks and i showed you where i got my boo's i judt didnt get lucky enough to hit the jacks considering i porbably only did it a few times and with a recorder going at the same time u realize that makes the luck part even harder

sometime dan when we go to fns in the middle lets go to your house and let me play molto a few times on ur pc let me get used to it and ill try my best to hit the jacks

Ok that makes no ****ing sense at all. You don't get 1100 combo on molto, 2 misses on GGC, and 7 misses on Revo (especially that) within a few days and say the jacks are luck. They are almost entirely skill, it just takes speed and jacking skills. Hit those jacks at my house or in a vid i dont care, but you should have 0 trouble with it. no luck.

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

funny how you got so many boos on really easy section in your molto vid.

7 misses on Revo is genius, and not too many boos compared to other songs relatively.

just my opinion.

COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD BUT THOSE SCORES OF GGC AND REVO WERE DONE ON MY FRIENDS LAPTOP AND THE MOLTO WAS ON MY PC I AV MISS MORE ON MINE AND I HAVE WORSE PA BUT BETTER COMBO ON HIS

its more luck to hit the molto jacks than any other jacks on ffr i can say about only 6 people have even hit the jacks on molto revo many have since there is 2 fc's and it has way more jacks

MrRubix · 11-5-2007, 06:52 PM

gnr: Just because an option exists doesn't mean it's legitimate to use it. I could say "FFR is an internet game -- I can get trainers over the internet, therefore I can use trainers in FFR." Just because two inputs exist doesn't prove it to be legit standalone.

FFR being treated as a game on its own is a valid claim. But the fact of the matter is that it adopts much of its structure and play from games like DDR. The problem is that DDR was meant for feet -- FFR is meant for hands. So technically the rules are not going to be the same. BTW my four-limb analogy was meant to show that using four button-pressers is legit either way. I could play with my ass if I so chose. The question is whether or not dual input is legitimate. It's true that DS would make a lot of songs easier (CP for one), but again it doesn't make it a legit way to play.

Furthermore, not every input device has natural dual-corresponding inputs such as a numpad (like laptops, as Tass stated). Therefore, to be fair, restricting it to one set of inputs is the best way to be fair to all sides. There are programs like AHK that will allow you to simulate DS on a laptop, but then you are introducing external programs to the realm of FFR, and this opens up a whole new can of worms (imagine people pushing for triple setup or something, or insisting that since programs are allowed, so should trainers). This is why people generally draw the line here: If you use AHK for your inputs, it's only meant to remap the original four keys. Therefore, you are limited to four keys no matter what.

SeventhSign: Well say the 1P and 2P sides worked -- you could get two people to play and DS a song. Translated to the computer this is comparable to someone using two input sources on the keyboard. I know you can't actually use both sides in DDR -- but this is why I said that it's probably a big reason behind why DS is not legal: Every play style performed so far has used one set of input. As for the limb argument, again there's nothing saying playing with your hands is cheating (I mean look at ITG -- plenty of steps meant for hands, and sometimes people STILL use their feet! Is hitting three steps with two feet legit? Sure -- it still uses four inputs). Again, I could play with my ass for whatever it's worth. Saying one keyboard is one pad is misleading because one pad doesn't have nearly as many input sources as a keyboard does. A USB keyboard is legit because you'd still be using four keys.

I know where you are coming from though -- I see your points. The thing is, everything I've described so far is a judgment call. You *could* argue that DS is legit by manipulating the very arguments I've used so far, and I'd actually like to see DS become legal because then I could finally combo CP, but the point is that the admins decided to draw the line at DS because allowing it opens up a lot of doors with respect to potentially unfair methods of play. By restricting inputs to something reasonable (four keys, just like every other DDR/ITG clone), you restrict the potential for people to abuse the system.

Mitchtyler · 11-5-2007, 06:52 PM

I dont really believe this... but w/e gj?

**lumphoboextreme** · 11-5-2007, 06:55 PM

lmao rants on if a score is bs or not... i could care less either way. good job.

MrRubix · 11-5-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XXXsmittyXXX

i just honestly think you double setup nothing wrong with that.
molto scores should range between the 25 and 80 boos margin if you only mash certain sections. Obviously you mashed ALOT of sections and hell you may have even double
setup'd on some of them. Just my opinion.

Oh ok I just watched his video, and I change my earlier statements.

His video shows that he's capable of hitting individual patterns on-time without mashing, so this makes me wonder where all the boos are indeed coming from because as you said, if you mash the sections that could possibly warrant mashing, his boocount shouldn't be that high. Basically he would have had to mash most of the song to get such a count. Otherwise, he probably DS'd the crap out of the jack sections.

It's *possible* that he got those counts using one set of input, but it's questionable. Again, a video would be required. He most likely DS'd. Personally I don't find DS to be a huge deal, but whatever. His GGC score is probably legit. His Molto score is most likely DS.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 07:07 PM

I do see where you're coming from Rubix, and although I'd like to see DS become acceptable, I'd say keep it illegal if just for the sake of laptops. I still hold that it's a legitimate way to play, but of course everyone will have different views on that.

And, since DS -is- at present illegal, it kind of is a big deal in that the score shouldn't be counted and everyone else should have their rank back XD

edit: oh yeah, did anyone notice the rank jump on molto? just comboing through the first right hand jack will get you top 30 easily, so he must have gone from not being able to do jacks at all to suddenly mastering them?

MrRubix · 11-5-2007, 07:10 PM

I would love for DS to be legal.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 07:13 PM

Let's get the top 30 players to go on FFR strike until DS is legal xD

edit: owait, i doubt they'd care

11-5-2007, 06:28 PM	#61
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Technically his scores are possible with controlled mashing. I'd have to test myself using DS to see if the scores are comparable (basically you'd have to DS the whole song because there's no way he'd be able to control his DS for small sections since it'd require temporary use of one-handed play, which is prob not something AOD can do for songs of this caliber). Ok, just tested it. His score is probably legit. He probably just mashwhored multiple sections of the song -- it's technically possible. When I DS'ed the song I had like 700+ boos, but maybe I overabused it. Regardless, it's a hard call to make without seeing a video of him playing.

11-5-2007, 06:29 PM	#62
AOD_ELEMENT FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Africa Age: 33 Posts: 1,672	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores sorry when im mad i dont really think about what im doing lol i just noticed the triple post too..

11-5-2007, 06:29 PM	#63
XpTrIpPyNeSsXd EHHS Sucks! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CT Posts: 419	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores AOD, is so mature. I totally believe his argument because of how adult, and serious he is acting.

11-5-2007, 06:30 PM	#64
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Technically his scores are possible with controlled mashing. I'd have to test myself using DS to see if the scores are comparable (basically you'd have to DS the whole song because there's no way he'd be able to control his DS for small sections since it'd require temporary use of one-handed play, which is prob not something AOD can do for songs of this caliber). Ok, just tested it (mashwhoring more spots of the song that is necessary). His score is probably legit. He probably just mashwhored multiple sections of the song -- it's technically possible. When I DS'ed the song I had like 700+ boos, but maybe I overabused it. Regardless, it's a hard call to make without seeing a video of him playing. Usually DS correlates high boo and average counts since you're flooding the input, and his Average count isn't as high as one would expect when using DS (I had over 270 Averages using DS)

11-5-2007, 06:32 PM	#66
XXXsmittyXXX Anxiety monster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Yorktown, VA Age: 37 Posts: 6,924	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores i just honestly think you double setup nothing wrong with that. molto scores should range between the 25 and 80 boos margin if you only mash certain sections. Obviously you mashed ALOT of sections and hell you may have even double setup'd on some of them. Just my opinion. __________________

11-5-2007, 06:34 PM	#67
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores LOL saw his vid. sorry dude, but the vids kinda worthless if you don't hit the jacks at all. after all, how can we tell if you DS if we can't see how you hit jacks? >_> __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

11-5-2007, 06:36 PM	#70
XpTrIpPyNeSsXd EHHS Sucks! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CT Posts: 419	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores If you can mash fast enough to get that many boos, you should probably be fast enough to hit the notes.

11-5-2007, 06:38 PM	#71
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores funny how you got so many boos on really easy section in your molto vid. 7 misses on Revo is genius, and not too many boos compared to other songs relatively. just my opinion. Last edited by jimerax; 11-5-2007 at 06:41 PM..

11-5-2007, 06:52 PM	#74
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores gnr: Just because an option exists doesn't mean it's legitimate to use it. I could say "FFR is an internet game -- I can get trainers over the internet, therefore I can use trainers in FFR." Just because two inputs exist doesn't prove it to be legit standalone. FFR being treated as a game on its own is a valid claim. But the fact of the matter is that it adopts much of its structure and play from games like DDR. The problem is that DDR was meant for feet -- FFR is meant for hands. So technically the rules are not going to be the same. BTW my four-limb analogy was meant to show that using four button-pressers is legit either way. I could play with my ass if I so chose. The question is whether or not dual input is legitimate. It's true that DS would make a lot of songs easier (CP for one), but again it doesn't make it a legit way to play. Furthermore, not every input device has natural dual-corresponding inputs such as a numpad (like laptops, as Tass stated). Therefore, to be fair, restricting it to one set of inputs is the best way to be fair to all sides. There are programs like AHK that will allow you to simulate DS on a laptop, but then you are introducing external programs to the realm of FFR, and this opens up a whole new can of worms (imagine people pushing for triple setup or something, or insisting that since programs are allowed, so should trainers). This is why people generally draw the line here: If you use AHK for your inputs, it's only meant to remap the original four keys. Therefore, you are limited to four keys no matter what. SeventhSign: Well say the 1P and 2P sides worked -- you could get two people to play and DS a song. Translated to the computer this is comparable to someone using two input sources on the keyboard. I know you can't actually use both sides in DDR -- but this is why I said that it's probably a big reason behind why DS is not legal: Every play style performed so far has used one set of input. As for the limb argument, again there's nothing saying playing with your hands is cheating (I mean look at ITG -- plenty of steps meant for hands, and sometimes people STILL use their feet! Is hitting three steps with two feet legit? Sure -- it still uses four inputs). Again, I could play with my ass for whatever it's worth. Saying one keyboard is one pad is misleading because one pad doesn't have nearly as many input sources as a keyboard does. A USB keyboard is legit because you'd still be using four keys. I know where you are coming from though -- I see your points. The thing is, everything I've described so far is a judgment call. You could argue that DS is legit by manipulating the very arguments I've used so far, and I'd actually like to see DS become legal because then I could finally combo CP, but the point is that the admins decided to draw the line at DS because allowing it opens up a lot of doors with respect to potentially unfair methods of play. By restricting inputs to something reasonable (four keys, just like every other DDR/ITG clone), you restrict the potential for people to abuse the system.

11-5-2007, 06:52 PM	#75
Mitchtyler Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 953	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores I dont really believe this... but w/e gj?

11-5-2007, 06:55 PM	#76
lumphoboextreme FFR Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Age: 35 Posts: 8,592	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores lmao rants on if a score is bs or not... i could care less either way. good job. __________________

11-5-2007, 07:07 PM	#78
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores I do see where you're coming from Rubix, and although I'd like to see DS become acceptable, I'd say keep it illegal if just for the sake of laptops. I still hold that it's a legitimate way to play, but of course everyone will have different views on that. And, since DS -is- at present illegal, it kind of is a big deal in that the score shouldn't be counted and everyone else should have their rank back XD edit: oh yeah, did anyone notice the rank jump on molto? just comboing through the first right hand jack will get you top 30 easily, so he must have gone from not being able to do jacks at all to suddenly mastering them? __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

11-5-2007, 07:10 PM	#79
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores I would love for DS to be legal.

11-5-2007, 07:13 PM	#80
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Let's get the top 30 players to go on FFR strike until DS is legal xD edit: owait, i doubt they'd care __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

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