Molto Ggc And Revo Scores

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 11:37 AM

SO WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT THESE SCORES DOUBLE SETUP HACKED WHATEVER I NEED YOUR OPINION

MrRubix · 11-5-2007, 11:45 AM

So did you just mash or what?

The only scores that don't make sense to me is GGC and Molto. That's a lot of Boos compared to your Revo score IMO. There aren't *that* many spots on Molto to mash to the extent that it justifies that many Boos. The jacks and the rolls can be mashed but they still won't yield so many Boos unless you're DS'ing. The GGC score pretty much says you either DS'd the jumpstreams and jacks or just mashed the hell out of the entire song. I'd have to see a video.

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 11:58 AM

i mash left hand trills cuz im not fast at those yet i just started spread about 3 months ago so that also explains my bad pa i mash all the hard parts and the jacks i dont have a problem with all u do it hit them early and everytime i play molto i get an average of like 150 boo's so that 140 one wasnt to bad for me

wwwJ4mmYcouk · 11-5-2007, 12:02 PM

damn u knocking me off rank 10 for revo :-p

My 80 boos on revo was apparently DS so if anyone calls it ignore them. I frequently get 50 - 80 boos on revo, and OMW is even worse!

Good job ... keep mashing with me

**darkshark** · 11-5-2007, 12:11 PM

Boowhore

jecht3009046 · 11-5-2007, 12:18 PM

Lumph V.1 ain't got nothing on you.

**DarkManticoreX2** · 11-5-2007, 12:39 PM

Looks like DS to me, I have a hard time getting 50+ boos on moloto, and I mash the rolls, 2 of the trills and the first set of jacks. As far as GGC and Revo go, I could see getting that many boos, but you'd have to be mashing a ton, not just 3-4 sections.

A vid would be cool, because the scores are possible, but not probable.

Save your bitmap images as .png instead of .gif, That'll take away that square effect.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 01:49 PM

the misscounts on all 3 songs are absurdly low for your skill level. post a vid so we can all see where you get all those damn boos and end this whole mess.

also revo would make sense just fine to me if, you know, you were that good =/

**HammyMcSquirrel** · 11-5-2007, 01:55 PM

Eh...They all look like double setup scores to me. I also use the basis of your vrofl score and how you cheated in the official tournament. Sorry, AOD, but you just don't have my trust on this one. Some videos would be great, as mentioned before.

Edit: Just wanted to add that I looked over my top PA scores for those songs and compared the good and boo count.

One specific score I wanted to compare was Revolutionary Etude.

I mashed those jacks and I can mash pretty fast (rank 10 on vrofl). I only got 50 boos and my good count was less than half of AOD's. I just think that to have the speed to mash that fast (without double setup) would show more control in keeping a decent PA.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 02:05 PM

What's funny about all this is that effectively utilizing DS on songs like GGC or Revo, where there are jacks in the middle of streams and such, would take a good deal of skill on its own. personally ive always felt there's nothing wrong with DS, I used it for months when i played 3 finger on SM, but when i came to ffr it was like "OOOH DS = CHEATING U HAEV NO SKIILL!!"

it's actually pretty hard to master.

**HammyMcSquirrel** · 11-5-2007, 02:09 PM

It may take skill to master using double setup, but it takes more skill to master hitting the jacks without using double setup. It's cheating because when it comes down to reaching the same final result, double setup is easier to use. I'm sure you understand this, but I just wanted to state that.

Edit: Eh...I guess I pretty much stated the obvious, haha.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 02:15 PM

Eh...I could also argue that it is merely another way of playing. Literally for months I played 3 finger double setup on SM and I used it for jacks the way a spread player uses 4 keys to make jumpstream easier. I've FC'd the minijacks at the beginning of FOTS using DS and that takes a lot of practice, speed, and coordination since it's not intuitive.

Jacks are easier DS
Jumpstreams are easier spread
trills are easier index

all take a lot of skill in their own way to master and make certain things easier.
Why should any way of using keys effectively be considered cheating?

**HammyMcSquirrel** · 11-5-2007, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnr61

Eh...I could also argue that it is merely another way of playing. Literally for months I played 3 finger double setup on SM and I used it for jacks the way a spread player uses 4 keys to make jumpstream easier. I've FC'd the minijacks at the beginning of FOTS using DS and that takes a lot of practice, speed, and coordination since it's not intuitive.

You're comparing double setup on SM with double setup on FFR. Double setup is different on SM because combo doesn't mean much in comparison to FFR. Since this is a combo-based system, double setup makes it easier to reach the final result where PA doesn't really matter, and because of this combo-based system, it makes things far easier to achieve than it would on SM. It makes things too easy on FFR to the point where it isn't allowed.

Edit:

Quote:

Jacks are easier DS
Jumpstreams are easier spread
trills are easier index

all take a lot of skill in their own way to master and make certain things easier.
Why should any way of using keys effectively be considered cheating?

Holding the keys on vrofl makes it easier to pass the "wall of death"/pass the song, so why isn't it allowed? There are rules for certain ways of playing this game. Rules to prevent things from being too easy.

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 03:28 PM

I guess what I'm saying is that in principle theres nothing wrong with DS, and if the FFR scoring ever becomes reasonable, DS should certainly be allowed.

even with the current combo-based scoring system, however, I still see nothing wrong with DS. yes, it IS easier to combo jacks with it. that is the advantage of using it. Going back to my earlier example, it IS easier to combo jumpstream with spread. it's just another pattern made easier with another setup. The fact that it is easier to do one way shouldn't make that method illegal.

**Fantasticone** · 11-5-2007, 03:30 PM

Boo counts are high, unimpressed.

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Looks like DS to me, I have a hard time getting 50+ boos on moloto, and I mash the rolls, 2 of the trills and the first set of jacks. As far as GGC and Revo go, I could see getting that many boos, but you'd have to be mashing a ton, not just 3-4 sections.

A vid would be cool, because the scores are possible, but not probable.

Save your bitmap images as .png instead of .gif, That'll take away that square effect.

i cant take those boxes away they are actually like equal signs lmfao there from my friends pc screen the screen is really messed up so he has to get a new one because it looks like that all the time

just to let u guys know i play with 8462 and i will be making a vid soon but will w screen recorder justify my boo's or do i need a real camera to do it? i can get a screen recorder to tape it but getting a camera will be hard but ill try the camera

thanks for comments so far im not offended at all lmfao and plz give suggestions and ur comments

**gnr61** · 11-5-2007, 03:34 PM

God I hate reading your sentences.

edit: real camera would obviously be best since we can see your hands, desktop, etc, but hypercam or something would work decently to show boos.

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 03:39 PM

lmfao

Ravia · 11-5-2007, 03:41 PM

Your scores make no sense dude.

This is mashed for me on Molto Vivace.

This is Runny mashing.

Your mashing = 100+ boos every time with really bad PA.
My mashing = reasonable PA and unfortunate avmisses thrown in but not a lot of boos.

Your mashing < my mashing, because (double setup) < (single setup) in both quality and legality.

AOD_ELEMENT · 11-5-2007, 03:43 PM

look at the combo difference i mashed more than you thats y my combo was way higher

11-5-2007, 11:37 AM	#1
AOD_ELEMENT FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Africa Age: 33 Posts: 1,672	Molto Ggc And Revo Scores SO WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT THESE SCORES DOUBLE SETUP HACKED WHATEVER I NEED YOUR OPINION Last edited by AOD_ELEMENT; 11-6-2007 at 01:47 PM..

11-5-2007, 11:45 AM	#2
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores So did you just mash or what? The only scores that don't make sense to me is GGC and Molto. That's a lot of Boos compared to your Revo score IMO. There aren't that many spots on Molto to mash to the extent that it justifies that many Boos. The jacks and the rolls can be mashed but they still won't yield so many Boos unless you're DS'ing. The GGC score pretty much says you either DS'd the jumpstreams and jacks or just mashed the hell out of the entire song. I'd have to see a video. Last edited by MrRubix; 11-5-2007 at 11:56 AM..

11-5-2007, 11:58 AM	#3
AOD_ELEMENT FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Africa Age: 33 Posts: 1,672	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores i mash left hand trills cuz im not fast at those yet i just started spread about 3 months ago so that also explains my bad pa i mash all the hard parts and the jacks i dont have a problem with all u do it hit them early and everytime i play molto i get an average of like 150 boo's so that 140 one wasnt to bad for me

11-5-2007, 12:02 PM	#4
wwwJ4mmYcouk FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,031	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores damn u knocking me off rank 10 for revo :-p My 80 boos on revo was apparently DS so if anyone calls it ignore them. I frequently get 50 - 80 boos on revo, and OMW is even worse! Good job ... keep mashing with me __________________ Frank Lee Morris Μήπως πραγματικά πνιγεί;

11-5-2007, 12:11 PM	#5
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Boowhore

11-5-2007, 12:18 PM	#6
jecht3009046 FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 324	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Lumph V.1 ain't got nothing on you.

11-5-2007, 01:49 PM	#8
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores the misscounts on all 3 songs are absurdly low for your skill level. post a vid so we can all see where you get all those damn boos and end this whole mess. also revo would make sense just fine to me if, you know, you were that good =/ __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

11-5-2007, 01:55 PM	#9
HammyMcSquirrel Everlong Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Age: 37 Posts: 3,833	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Eh...They all look like double setup scores to me. I also use the basis of your vrofl score and how you cheated in the official tournament. Sorry, AOD, but you just don't have my trust on this one. Some videos would be great, as mentioned before. Edit: Just wanted to add that I looked over my top PA scores for those songs and compared the good and boo count. One specific score I wanted to compare was Revolutionary Etude. I mashed those jacks and I can mash pretty fast (rank 10 on vrofl). I only got 50 boos and my good count was less than half of AOD's. I just think that to have the speed to mash that fast (without double setup) would show more control in keeping a decent PA. Last edited by HammyMcSquirrel; 11-5-2007 at 02:05 PM..

11-5-2007, 02:05 PM	#10
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores What's funny about all this is that effectively utilizing DS on songs like GGC or Revo, where there are jacks in the middle of streams and such, would take a good deal of skill on its own. personally ive always felt there's nothing wrong with DS, I used it for months when i played 3 finger on SM, but when i came to ffr it was like "OOOH DS = CHEATING U HAEV NO SKIILL!!" it's actually pretty hard to master. __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

11-5-2007, 02:09 PM	#11
HammyMcSquirrel Everlong Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Age: 37 Posts: 3,833	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores It may take skill to master using double setup, but it takes more skill to master hitting the jacks without using double setup. It's cheating because when it comes down to reaching the same final result, double setup is easier to use. I'm sure you understand this, but I just wanted to state that. Edit: Eh...I guess I pretty much stated the obvious, haha. Last edited by HammyMcSquirrel; 11-5-2007 at 02:15 PM..

11-5-2007, 02:15 PM	#12
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Eh...I could also argue that it is merely another way of playing. Literally for months I played 3 finger double setup on SM and I used it for jacks the way a spread player uses 4 keys to make jumpstream easier. I've FC'd the minijacks at the beginning of FOTS using DS and that takes a lot of practice, speed, and coordination since it's not intuitive. Jacks are easier DS Jumpstreams are easier spread trills are easier index all take a lot of skill in their own way to master and make certain things easier. Why should any way of using keys effectively be considered cheating? __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

11-5-2007, 03:28 PM	#14
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores I guess what I'm saying is that in principle theres nothing wrong with DS, and if the FFR scoring ever becomes reasonable, DS should certainly be allowed. even with the current combo-based scoring system, however, I still see nothing wrong with DS. yes, it IS easier to combo jacks with it. that is the advantage of using it. Going back to my earlier example, it IS easier to combo jumpstream with spread. it's just another pattern made easier with another setup. The fact that it is easier to do one way shouldn't make that method illegal. __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

11-5-2007, 03:30 PM	#15
Fantasticone D7 Elite Keymasher Join Date: Aug 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 6,003	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Boo counts are high, unimpressed. __________________

11-5-2007, 03:34 PM	#17
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 35 Posts: 7,251	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores God I hate reading your sentences. edit: real camera would obviously be best since we can see your hands, desktop, etc, but hypercam or something would work decently to show boos. __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner. Last edited by gnr61; 11-5-2007 at 03:43 PM..

11-5-2007, 03:39 PM	#18
AOD_ELEMENT FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Africa Age: 33 Posts: 1,672	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores lmfao

11-5-2007, 03:41 PM	#19
Ravia Ahh the fond memories Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 37 Posts: 1,315	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores Your scores make no sense dude. This is mashed for me on Molto Vivace. This is Runny mashing. Your mashing = 100+ boos every time with really bad PA. My mashing = reasonable PA and unfortunate avmisses thrown in but not a lot of boos. Your mashing < my mashing, because (double setup) < (single setup) in both quality and legality. __________________ Last edited by Ravia; 11-5-2007 at 03:44 PM..

11-5-2007, 03:43 PM	#20
AOD_ELEMENT FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Africa Age: 33 Posts: 1,672	Re: Molto Ggc And Revo Scores look at the combo difference i mashed more than you thats y my combo was way higher

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