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Old 09-12-2007, 08:22 PM   #81
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Default Re: are violent video games ruining the youth of tomorrow

You do realize that the side arguing that games doesn't lead to violence is using more to back up their argument than just with a silly graph? It can help prove a point in an argument and to be honest, I believe it was an accurate graph, but the argument wasn't centered around it.

There was no graph stating that gaming lead to violence. They're main argument is that if we shoot people in a game, we start to believe it's acceptable behavior in real life. In which case, said people were just not mature enough to handle the game, so it's less of the game's fault than the person's maturity level.

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Old 09-13-2007, 02:45 AM   #82
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I think this argument will eventually lead back to the "Is the ESRB(Is that what it is?)/MPAA doing their job" argument, because of the last post. Parents should pay more attention to the labels, review what their kid is going to play, and the ESRB should make the labels more clear and easier to understand.

If parents don't let their children play excessively violent video games while their still not mature enough to handle them (i.e. GTA for early teens and such), then we won't have so much of a problem regarding this issue.
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:11 AM   #83
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Default Re: are violent video games ruining the youth of tomorrow

Yah, except we've reached this conclusion, pages ago. It was later continued in the ESRB thread.

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Old 09-13-2007, 01:12 PM   #84
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Default Re: are violent video games ruining the youth of tomorrow

Seems like a good time to let the thread die, possibly with a little lock action.
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:53 PM   #85
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1) You'd need to be mentally unstable to not be able to distinguish games from reality.
2) You'd need to be a violent or mentally unstable person to do something violent because you were influenced by video games in the first place.
3) Games don't teach you how to shoot a gun.
4) Games don't prepare you to shoot a person.
I was going to post something very similar to that, but then I read that. Except he said it better.

Winning statement right there.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:24 PM   #86
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Default Re: are violent video games ruining the youth of tomorrow

So...you're actually adding nothing whatsoever to the discussion...that was totally worth the bump of an otherwise dead thread.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:28 PM   #87
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Default Re: are violent video games ruining the youth of tomorrow

So I got bored while waiting for my class to start today, and this thread caught my eye.

I also clearly stated my intentions of posting. I didn't read through the entire thread thoroughly due to lack of time to do so, hence my not knowing the thread was "dead."
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Default Re: are violent video games ruining the youth of tomorrow

if hentai is considered violent then yes... i mean even a 6 year old like me has access to hentai games in Japan... not just the computer, like they sell them for the PS2 too...
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If a 6 year old has access to hentai games, and there are no controls in stores forbidding selling such games to a 6 year old, that is a failing of the system for handing them out like that, not of the game for existing.
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if hentai is considered violent then yes... i mean even a 6 year old like me has access to hentai games in Japan... not just the computer, like they sell them for the PS2 too...
You must be 13+ years to post

On Topic: I wouldnt know why on earth a 6 year old would want to play that, but it's the store's fault as devonin said
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:40 AM   #91
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Hmmm.
Violence over the last 20 years has increased?
How about the world population? Has that increased?
Has the amount of disease in our world increased?
Has the amount of resources decreased?

Seems like all of these things rely on each far more than video games.
For instance, 60 years ago we were in WWII. Was that caused by video games?
Millions of people died.

The war in Iraq sure as hell isn't caused by video games.

I kill dozens of people on video games per day.
I have never attacked or even been in a fight with another person in real life,
AND I don't plan on it any time soon.
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Old 09-18-2007, 05:15 PM   #92
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Well ideally, parents would be able to use good discretion and just limit their kids' games on an individual basis. Doesn't seem to happen, somehow.

Video games don't teach you how to use a gun, but they sure get people used to the concept of shooting people, going for the head, etc. In fact, to play violent games well, that kind of thing has to become a reflex. It becomes an integral part of the problem-solving process when you play, so... you can't really write violent video games off as harmless.


Oh, and there's a ton of other stuff "ruining the youth of tomorrow," anyway. I guess that really means the adults of tomorrow, actually. A lot of the youth of tomorrow are still single-celled.

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Old 09-18-2007, 06:20 PM   #93
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I'm not going to say violent games are good for our society. They're not bad for it, either, though.

I play violent games. Hell, I'm even planning to MAKE a violent game (yes, I'm a programmer). The violence in these games has NO EFFECT on my view of killing, on my friends' views of killing, on any sane person's view of killing. I do not think that since I can play a 32-player online match and kill as many people as I want to virtually, that justifies taking away an actual life. There are people who I genuinely hate and have thought about attacking, but I would never take away someone's life. They have just as much right to live as I do, even if they are a ****er. What does feed modern crime? I don't know. Could it be that other forms of art are contributing to it? Could it be parents not doing their jobs the way they should? It very well could be.

Anyway, the condiluted logic that games help people kill is wrong. I am welcome to counterarguments, if you disagree with me or want more information.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:10 PM   #94
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The statement that video games have caused more violence in our world due to an increase over the last twenty years is total bull crap.

No war has EVER been fought over video games.
There is not truly substantial proof that video games have ever killed anyone besides those who don't follow directions and the uber-obese.

Whoever started this thread needs to get outside and get a life.
Billions and billions of living things die daily,
most likely none of them are killed by video games in any way, shape, or form.

Anyone who was ever on the news for killing someone had mental issues.
In our day and time, you cannot get away with killing people, especially in America.
And you sure as hell can't blame video games for making a person retarded either.
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Sometimes, I'm under the impression that the media is just trying to shift the blame of any violent youth to violent video games. I mean come on, if there is a news story about violent video games, once that news story about violent video games is over, there is a chance that the media will show a news story like a suicidal bomber in Iraq with certain material as violent as portrayed in something like Resident Evil or Grand Theft Auto. Not to mention, the people shown on the news are real people, which means that a person could probably think of these type of violent people as role models more than a video game character (though some games may contain real people). After all, if I was incredibly mad to the point of killing someone, certain news reports might cause me to do something bad (though I wouldn't kill someone or do something as drastic), but by playing some video game, I would vent off my anger as I get to control what would happen in the game. Of course, I'm an addict to video games so I wouldn't put down the controller or let losing get the best of me while playing video games unless I had to sleep or stop playing games for some reason.
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You are right.
Although I would never own GTA, due to it's content, I know what you are saying.
There are a lot of government/parental figures who are just mad at video games AND want revenge simply because they didn't have them when they were growing up.

It all boils down (or up?!?!) to two things, thing 1 and thing 2.
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You are right.
Although I would never own GTA, due to it's content, I know what you are saying.
There are a lot of government/parental figures who are just mad at video games AND want revenge simply because they didn't have them when they were growing up.

It all boils down (or up?!?!) to two things, thing 1 and thing 2.
Well, why would government/parental figures want revenge on games because it didn't exist in their time? I mean nothing is stopping them from playing any video games so I don't see how this is of any relevance. Besides, some people wouldn't even play video games if they were out when government/parental figures were growing up.
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"violent video games cause violence" should be changed to "religions cause violence" lol
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Well, why would government/parental figures want revenge on games because it didn't exist in their time? I mean nothing is stopping them from playing any video games so I don't see how this is of any relevance. Besides, some people wouldn't even play video games if they were out when government/parental figures were growing up.
That was a joke.
I thought I would make up some crap; that's what the creator of this thread did.
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Although I would never own GTA, due to it's content, I know what you are saying.
There are a lot of government/parental figures who are just mad at video games AND want revenge simply because they didn't have them when they were growing up.
I hadn't thought of that, but it does make a lot of sense. I hear a lot of parents telling their kids how much better they have it in comparison to when the parents were young.



I think it's about time for this thread to be let go...we're all dancing around two ideas, it seems.

1) It's the fault of the parents if a child is playing a game that s/he is too young for, they have a say it what games they get the kid, and they can monitor any purchases by the kid...
2) Only a mentally unstable person will let a violent game tell them that they're supposed to go around and do the kinds of things done in games (as in GTA, for example).



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Don't get people started on "Religion causes violence." >.> Science gets brought in, then it turns into the typical Science vs Religion debate (I have proof vs the bible says so).
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