Farenheit 911

[xMrHx]

Maybe his publishing company hates Michael Moore. And they want to spring it on him at the last second, before it hits theaters. That would really be a kick in the balls to his ego, and would be funny. Muhahahaha.

[jewpinthethird]

Originally Posted by xMrHx

Maybe his publishing company hates Michael Moore. And they want to spring it on him at the last second, before it hits theaters. That would really be a kick in the balls to his ego, and would be funny. Muhahahaha.

Yeah, but then he would make a Documentary about it and make more money.

[xMrHx]

Originally Posted by Verruckter

He dosent look sincere at all when hes asking other nations to make war agaisnt Iraq. And when he talks about micheal Moore, he dosen't even seem to understand his own jokes.

You're just grasping at possibilities. The entire clip is taken out of context, which makes it no longer valid.

[xMrHx]

Originally Posted by jewpinthethird

Yeah, but then he would make a Documentary about it and make more money.

Exactly, because Michael Moore is looking out for the "little man" from corrupt businesses that make loads of money. Making loads of money...hmmm, that's strange, sounds very familiar, sounds a lot like Michael Moores financial situation...

[jewpinthethird]

Originally Posted by xMrHx

Exactly, because Michael Moore is looking out for the "little man" from corrupt businesses that make loads of money. Making loads of money...hmmm, that's strange, sounds very familiar, sounds a lot like Michael Moores financial situation...

Yeah, I was making a funny. And just because he has money doesnt mean he cant look out for the little guy anymore.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by jewpinthethird

Farenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury is a "facist" government that spoon feeds its people all the information they need to know to make then controllable. Books are burnt to prevent peope from thinking for themselves and finding out the truth about things.

Michael Moore's Farenheit 911 is about a "democractic" government that spoon feeds its people all the information regarding one of the most tragic events in American history to make them controllable (or War hungry). Bush used 9-11 as an excuse to attack Iraq when now there is absolutely no evidence that says that Iraq was involved with Al-Qaeda. Whether you believe that or not, that is what F-911 is about.

For anyone who had read the novel Farenheit 451 and comprehended it, would clearly see the resemblence. Moore did not steal the title, for it is different. And if Ray Bradbury objected to the movie title, wouldnt he have sued and/or raised a fuss about it? Wouldnt his publishing company have pressed charges? Well, they havent yet.

Also, where is your proof that he didnt consult him?

http://www.nbc6.net/entertainment/3390666/detail.html

Ray Bradbury himself.

Doing what Moore did with the title is tantamount to trademark infringement in other commercial areas. I'm not sure if that applies to arts and literature, but if he had done that with a business slogan, he'd be in trouble. Legal action for something like this isn't always the best option; it's expensive and often not worth it. Bradbury's trying to bitch to Moore about it, but Moore won't talk to him. Plus, as I said before, more publicity will only help him, and nobody wants to do that.

What's this "absolutely no evidence" of connections between Al-Qaeda and Iraq of which you speak? Are you denying the flood of intelligence coming out that says otherwise? Hell, even the highly political 9/11 commision says that Iraqi leaders and bin Laden met with each other. Iraqi royalty granting audiences to top Al-Qaeda men sounds like a connection to me. Even if Iraq turned down a request to help in the 9/11 attacks, that doesn't mean at all that they didn't help for the multitude of terrorist attacks before then and since.

Of course, if you don't believe that and you were just stating that that was what's in the movie, I apologize and I'll give you some of your credit back.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[jewpinthethird]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

http://www.nbc6.net/entertainment/3390666/detail.html

Ray Bradbury himself.

Doing what Moore did with the title is tantamount to trademark infringement in other commercial areas. I'm not sure if that applies to arts and literature, but if he had done that with a business slogan, he'd be in trouble. Legal action for something like this isn't always the best option; it's expensive and often not worth it. Bradbury's trying to bitch to Moore about it, but Moore won't talk to him. Plus, as I said before, more publicity will only help him, and nobody wants to do that.

What's this "absolutely no evidence" of connections between Al-Qaeda and Iraq of which you speak? Are you denying the flood of intelligence coming out that says otherwise? Hell, even the highly political 9/11 commision says that Iraqi leaders and bin Laden met with each other. Iraqi royalty granting audiences to top Al-Qaeda men sounds like a connection to me. Even if Iraq turned down a request to help in the 9/11 attacks, that doesn't mean at all that they didn't help for the multitude of terrorist attacks before then and since.

Of course, if you don't believe that and you were just stating that that was what's in the movie, I apologize and I'll give you some of your credit back.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Touche. Or should I say something a little less French?

[NeoDarkHeart]

okay, all this stuff about anti-michaelmorreism is new to me. never heard of MMHA, or that quote you gave.

what i DO know is that his first movie, Roger and Me, was funded by him holding bingo tournaments in his living room. he went lookin for the guy that ruined HIS hometown by taking away all the jobs just so GM motors could get a few more million dollars by cheating mexican workers and paying them crap, much like Nike does with kids in Indonesia (he did a movie about that one, too, called The Big One).

the whole town went to shit, and roger gave himself a few million dollars raise.

guido - you agree with what the people at enron did? stealing money so they can buy things so they can look better.

They bought cars, some of which they never drove, art that they never looked at, multiple houses, and got them all remodeled!

-Lewis Black

too much money. old white people having all the money is how the economy's been doing it's thing. greedy mother fuckers like those at GM/nike/enron/all those others, are the reason that the gap between rich and poor is getting smaller. smaller gap = less "middle class", because there's no middle. there's either poor, or rich. trickle-down economics DO NOT WORK, and as long as old white guys control the country, it'll never change for the better.

[talisman]

Guido, the 9/11 comission found that there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq except that they had a mutual agreement not to attack each other. Iraq refused to give the terrorist organization any aid. Source: ABCNEWS, yesterday (Wednesday's).

Also, you guys are looking at Michael Moore as though he is trying to make a fair and balanced documentary. He isn't. He's creating an editorial, a vehicle through which to espouse his ideas. And it's not like he's not allowed to, either. I watch his movies not necessarily to learn something, but more to consider another point of view, and for entertainment.

Anyone who takes everything they see at face value, whether it be Fahrenheit 9/11 or Michael Moore Hates America, is seriously very naive. Michael Moore (and Michael Wilson) are creating films through which to express their ideas, except unlike other directors who use pure fiction, they use warped fact.

And even if you disagree with his viewpoint, you can at least respect him as a filmmaker in much the same way as I can respect Pres. Bush for being a charismatic leader while totally disagreeing with his policies.

[Anticrombie0909]

I'm seeing the movie. Not just because I hate Bush, think Iraq was a screwup, loved bowling for columbine, and found 'Stupid White Men' hilariously funny (I'm henceforth referring to Bush as our 'Idiot-in-Chief, complements to Moore for the splendid title).

No, I dont agree with Moore because he's Moore, and I don't agree with a lot of his political opinions because he hates Bush. In all honesty, I disagreed with a lot of what he said in Stupid White Men and Bowling for Columbine. I still found it entertaining and enteresting to watch. It's the same reason I kept going to sunday school after I stopped believing. I just wanted to see what the other end of the spectrum thinks.

You guys are also going about this all wrong. You keep talking about how anti-bush and whatnot his movie is, but that's because its supposed to be. Farenheit 911 is a biased documentary, just like Bowling for Columbine was. Who cares if it bashes Bush, the government, and pretty much everyone Moore hates? Freedom of speech, friends.

Finally, who gives a flying fuck if Moore took 'Farenheit' from the title? Really, guys, let's get more petty, shall we?

[xMrHx]

Originally Posted by NeoDarkHeart

okay, all this stuff about anti-michaelmorreism is new to me. never heard of MMHA, or that quote you gave.

what i DO know is that his first movie, Roger and Me, was funded by him holding bingo tournaments in his living room. he went lookin for the guy that ruined HIS hometown by taking away all the jobs just so GM motors could get a few more million dollars by cheating mexican workers and paying them crap, much like Nike does with kids in Indonesia (he did a movie about that one, too, called The Big One).

the whole town went to (#$%, and roger gave himself a few million dollars raise.

guido - you agree with what the people at enron did? stealing money so they can buy things so they can look better.

-Lewis Black

too much money. old white people having all the money is how the economy's been doing it's thing. greedy mother fuckers like those at GM/nike/enron/all those others, are the reason that the gap between rich and poor is getting smaller. smaller gap = less "middle class", because there's no middle. there's either poor, or rich. trickle-down economics DO NOT WORK, and as long as old white guys control the country, it'll never change for the better.

[Jun. 16th, 2004|07:57 pm]



"Yes, I fought against everything, but more and more I worry that I was never for anything. Oh I can criticize and complain and judge everything, but what does that get me? Griping isn’t the same as creating something. Rebellling isn’t the same as rebuilding. Ridiculing isn’t replacing…

We’ve taken the world apart, but we have no idea what to do with the pieces…

My generation, all of our making fun of things isn’t making the world any better. We’ve spent so much time judging what other people created that we’ve created very little of our own.

I used rebellion as a way to hide out. We used criticism as a fake participation. It only looks as if we’ve accomplished something.

I’ve never contributed anything worthwhile to the world."


Found this on http://moorewatch.com. It is from the book Choke by Chuck Palahniuk. That pretty much describes Moore exactly. What exactly is he going to do/ did to the guy who outsourced some work for GM to mexico? Give him the finger and call him a meanie? He needs to quit his bitching, and do something productive. He has nothing to replace what he plans to tear down. And he is making millions off of it.

[Specforces]

Liberal bullshit. I might see it because I've been looking for a good piece of fiction to watch.

Specforces

[Jam930]

Originally Posted by jewpinthethird

Farenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury is a "facist" government that spoon feeds its people all the information they need to know to make then controllable. Books are burnt to prevent peope from thinking for themselves and finding out the truth about things.

Michael Moore's Farenheit 911 is about a "democractic" government that spoon feeds its people all the information regarding one of the most tragic events in American history to make them controllable (or War hungry). Bush used 9-11 as an excuse to attack Iraq when now there is absolutely no evidence that says that Iraq was involved with Al-Qaeda. Whether you believe that or not, that is what F-911 is about.

For anyone who had read the novel Farenheit 451 and comprehended it, would clearly see the resemblence. Moore did not steal the title, for it is different. And if Ray Bradbury objected to the movie title, wouldnt he have sued and/or raised a fuss about it? Wouldnt his publishing company have pressed charges? Well, they havent yet.

Also, where is your proof that he didnt consult him?

I have read Fahrenheit 451. Good book.

This Fahrenheit 911 is total crap and is just degrading the original book.

Democrats just feel like they need to make some noise or else they will be forgotten.

Resemblence between the government now and the one in Fahrenheit 451? hahaha.
The government in 451 was mainly about making life easy for the citizens and controlling the media.

You wouldn't even know about the war in Iraq if there was much of a resemblence between the government now and the one in 451.

This movie is made by some idiots that believe it will automatically appeal to 50% of the american population just by being liberal and another 25% of the republican party through curiosity of what the liberals are doing. It's an ingenius plan taking advantage of the current political situation to make tons of money.

It's sick =/.

[talisman]

It's entertainment. Chill out people.

And what's with all these conservatives on the internet? I've seriously never met a forum population with this many conservatives. Times must be a-changin'.

[Jam930]

Originally Posted by talisman

Chill out people.

Times must be a-changin'.

Those 2 lines suggest you are conservative... but at the same time i refuse to accept that as fact without your confirmation.

Conservatives rock. =D

I wish we cared more about the environment though.

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

The earth likes being destroyed, right earthy?

[Jam930]

A small island off Madagascar.

[Moogy]

RELEVANCE IS UNNECESSARY

LD EDIT: Resize that damn pic

[GuidoHunter]

@talisman: You're completely right in that he's got every right to make a documentary saying whatever he wants, whether or not it's truthful. It just upsets me that, because he's a big name person, he can reach a lot of people, many of whom actually take him seriously and think he is reporting the bona fide truth that "others are trying to hide/cover up".

@Neo: I agree with many of the things Roger Moore did to come into his money. I don't agree with what the Enron guys did (though I'm not too schooled as to what exactly they did), but that's irrelevant. Heh, the "old white guys" argument? It never holds water.

@Jam: I love the environment, but I don't think it's in very much danger from humans, and don't support excessive government legislation to "save" it.

Oh, and I just want to get this off my chest: Sean Hannity is an embarassment to conservatives everywhere with his crappy talk show hosting (on his radio show; I don't watch his TV show). His ideas are good, but damn, does he suck at debating on his show.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Jam930]

That image is too damn big Moogy.

Btw, has anyone ever been banned from FFR for repeatedly being an idiot, and breaking forum rules?