TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 7/8/09

[MrRubix]

I think you have to draw the line somewhere. Blackflags piss me off too, but an almost AAA is not an AAA, because an AAA is an AAA. Although I agree that partial credit should be allocated to blackflags because they're really freaking close. In other words, I echo Reach on this one.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

I think you have to draw the line somewhere. Blackflags piss me off too, but an almost AAA is not an AAA, because an AAA is an AAA. Although I agree that partial credit should be allocated to blackflags because they're really freaking close, but alas you have to draw the line somewhere.

I think doug said it best. A BF shows you're perfectly capable of the AAA, and I don't see why you shouldn't get credit for it. Especially since it's really easy to flag on ffr unless your pc runs it super smoothly. I just think that the extra point PLUS AAA points emphasises AAA'ing far to much, and makes it seem like one player is far better than another but in reality there is virtually no difference in skill.

Besides, even with my bonus an AAA still gets more points than a BF because of #of AAA points.

Alas, it was just a suggestion though so feedback is appriciated.

But uh, I definitely think hard skill token songs should be included on the tier list. Planetz, melonman, otaku's ect. They're hard enough, and if you're a good player you should have to play them and get the token to play them. This doesn't have much to do with whoring at all, unlike getting the highest # of AAA's. I don't play very often and have all the tokens.

[MrRubix]

I agree, a bf shows you are capable. But a more fundamental question is where the line is drawn with respect to capability. When is one considered AAA-capable? 1 Good? 1 Average? 2 Goods? A Good and a Boo? 1 Boo? 2 Boos? It's not always so certain, and so that is what makes it difficult. However, since the different timings do have objective limits, points can be allocated based on their accuracies, which I feel is fair. It'd require a more specific breakdown but it would be able to reflect skill as accurately as possible.

[peckerxcore]

i would say 1 to 2 of a good av, or boos would be AAA capable
it really depends on what kind of run it is

[jwcgator]

Which one is more accurate, the one on-site or the calculator off-site

[Reach]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

I agree, a bf shows you are capable. But a more fundamental question is where the line is drawn with respect to capability. When is one considered AAA-capable? 1 Good? 1 Average? 2 Goods? A Good and a Boo? 1 Boo? 2 Boos? It's not always so certain, and so that is what makes it difficult. However, since the different timings do have objective limits, points can be allocated based on their accuracies, which I feel is fair. It'd require a more specific breakdown but it would be able to reflect skill as accurately as possible.

I can see the problem of going ok, 1 good then what happens if I get 2 goods? It becomes tricky. But this is a crutial problem with the whole tier point system...not just my blackflag idea haha.


Tier points are just based on overall score anyway so why not have an option of simply adding up your total score on the tier songs? o_O

I suppose the problem with this is that it would overemphasize some songs more than others. To correct for this you could probably use the ratio of score to max score instead and then adjust that based on the difficulty of the song.

I guess this is similar to rebirths % calculation?

Which one is more accurate, the one on-site or the calculator off-site

The on site CALCULATOR is more accurate...but the main page is not up to date yet. Basically the onsite one just gives you more points because it includes more songs and more AAA points.

[jwcgator]

so this one? http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...evel_tiers.php

[x_Dragun_x]

if still 160 for tier points for tier 4 then im in o.o

[jimerax]

Originally Posted by Reach

I can see the problem of going ok, 1 good then what happens if I get 2 goods? It becomes tricky. But this is a crutial problem with the whole tier point system...not just my blackflag idea haha.

Tier points are just based on overall score anyway so why not have an option of simply adding up your total score on the tier songs? o_O

I suppose the problem with this is that it would overemphasize some songs more than others. To correct for this you could probably use the ratio of score to max score instead and then adjust that based on the difficulty of the song.

I guess this is similar to rebirths % calculation?

I know that problem reach, in "5 or under" req, blackflag is apparantly better than 5 goods 5 boos.

The only way to solve this problem is adding more detailed reqs, like 5.8 points for BF, 5.6 points for 2 goods, etc.Bbut those make this system really complex.

adding total score is an idea but it's not as good, because one combo score can kill all PA scores by this on FFR. I think PA is an important factor for the skill, so I want to make every req songs be fair point/difficulty-wise.

Adjustment by % MAX score is better but still not enough, since FFR scoring system is way too combo-based.. 1 combo difference is like 4 times more important than 1 good difference for the Total score.

[Doug31]

Then how about total score of the songs on the list, but have some weighted differently? Like make Pants be like *.4 or something, so even 1,000,000 extra combo points on it would only equate to 400,000 PA points on easier stuff that was PA-based and was weighted higher.

[ProfesorTambores]

I have more than enough Tier points for tier 4 i don't know what to do now

[Rebirth0]

Get more points to be tier 3?

[cetaka]

4/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - AAA
5/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - AAA
4/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - AAA
5/5 - Video Out A - AAA
4/4 - Etude To A Dragon - AAA
4/4 - Seven - AAA
4/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - AAA
5/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - AAA
5/5 - Evil Approaches - AAA
4/4 - Deep Breath - AAA
4/4 - Robotix - AAA
5/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - AAA
6/6 - Splash Beats - AAA
5/5 - ASB - AAA
4/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - AAA
4/4 - Z - AAA
5/5 - Ruins - AAA
5/5 - Amefuri Koneko - AAA
5/5 - Cutting Circles - AAA
4/4 - Fantranstic - AAA
5/5 - Be Princess - AAA
4/4 - ESC - Super Version - AAA
5/5 - Carrousel Paradise - AAA
6/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - AAA
6/6 - Uber Rave - AAA
5/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - AAA
7/7 - Balloon Fever - AAA
4/4 - Tension - AAA
4/4 - Playdoh - AAA
6/6 - R176 - AAA
5/5 - Dazzling Soul - AAA
4/4 - Uber Rave V2 - AAA
6/6 - Shihen - AAA
5/5 - Kick Your A - AAA
4/4 - CIA Rave - AAA
7/7 - K8107 - AAA
4/4 - Delirium - AAA
6/6 - Classical Insanity - AAA
4/4 - Hyper Pressure - AAA
5/5 - 20031023 - AAA
5/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - AAA
5/5 - Wish (For FFR) - AAA
5/5 - Tribal Transcendency - AAA
6/6 - Legend - AAA
6/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) - AAA
5/5 - Get Down - AAA
5/5 - Epic - AAA
4/4 - Carol Megamix - AAA
5/5 - {Rose} - AAA
8/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star - AAA
4/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix) - AAA
4/4 - {Blaze} - AAA
4/4 - Mother Of God - AAA
4/4 - Sensorium - AAA
6/6 - {Frozen} - AAA
6/6 - Gradeus - AAA[2 goods]
6/6 - Pretty Green Onions - AAA
5/5 - Klung Kung - AAA
7/7 - Vertex BETA - AAA
6/6 - Air - AAA
5/5 - Famouz - AAA
6/9 - One Minute Waltz - 1,000,000 or higher
6/6 - Force Of Light - 1 or fewer
6/8 - Rottel-da-station - 15 or fewer
6/9 - Pants - Full Combo
6/9 - Molto Vivace - 1,400,000 or higher
7/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) - 60[65] or fewer
6/7 - End Night - 5 or fewer
7/9 - Caprice - 20[23] or fewer
6/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 1 or fewer
5/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 2,100,000 or higher
5/9 - Revolutionary Etude - 1,600,000 or higher
5/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - 1,900,000 or higher
6/8 - Strangeprogram - 40 or fewer
6/8 - BB Evolution - 40 or fewer
6/6 - Coat Czech - 1 or fewer
6/9 - Crowdpleaser - 1,390,000 or higher
7/7 - Silence - 1 or fewer
6/7 - Jelly Roll Blues - Single Digit Good
6/8 - Lawn Wake IV - 15 or fewer
6/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5 - Single Digit Good
6/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1 - 12[13] or fewer
6/7 - HELLBEAT - Single Digit Good [10]
6/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3 - 8 or fewer
5/6 - Abtrusity - 4 or fewer
5/5 - Divinity - 1 or fewer
5/7 - For FFR - 12 or fewer
4/8 - AIM Anthem - Full Combo
4/4 - MAX Forever - 2 or fewer
5/8 - Nova Pulser - 15[22] or fewer
4/8 - Turkish March - 60 or fewer
5/7 - Turbulence - Single Digit Good
4/7 - Rondo Alla Turca - 35 or fewer
4/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee - Full Combo
+21 bonus for 171 (approximate) AAAs

Total Points: 508 (487 + 21)

this would be 2 more

[jimerax]

That Rondo won't be counted until Tass adds the score to the database, but you actually have 2 more AAA points so yeah.

welcome to T0 club.

[FrenzyMidget]

Tier Points for FrenzyMidget

Tier Points: 18 (18 + 0 for 53 AAAs)


Shouldn't I have 19 since I got the 50 AAA's bonus?

[MrRubix]

I've only got like 358 points, need to play more songs

[DarkManticoreX2]

So, When's the next player update?

I'm at 182 and counting

[Kotarouchan]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

I've only got like 358 points, need to play more songs

Songs you should AAA already:
3,997 9 Tension 420,885
5,712 10 R176 0
6,181 9 Video Out A 0
6,982 10 Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) 0
9,020 9 Coat Czech 0
9,101 9 the Dream of Scarlet 0
9,176 9 The Brain of the Moon 0
14,307 10 Be Princess 0
34,828 10 Lovely Lovely Lovely 0

And that's just a small list

[Rebirth0]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

So, When's the next player update?

I'm at 182 and counting

Whenever jimerax decides to tell me what the point reqs for all of the token songs are. After that, we'll figure out everyones points and do another update.

everyone start bugging jim

[DarkManticoreX2]

*Poke* Hey Jim how bout an update man?

I'll give u a profile thumbs up