Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

[evilcowgod]

I honestly don't see whats wrong with looking at porn if you're under 18. Just as long as you know what you're doing and don't do something stupid like get spyware or some other garbage from random sites.

Why wait until you're 18 anyway? By that time you'll probably have a girlfriend, so you might as well enjoy fapping before then.

[devonin]

WOOT! I love Harrison Bergeron!

It's almost scary how many discussions and situations warrant that comparison.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by devonin

It's almost scary how many discussions and situations warrant that comparison.

And that's exactly what makes so much of Vonnegut's work so powerful.

[shade11]

Interesting point going on here. Just means that the parents hold more of a choice now than ever with pornography.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by shade11

Interesting point going on here. Just means that the parents hold more of a choice now than ever with pornography.

No. You must not have read what I posted. What better control do parents have if filters are ineffective?

[shatteredgravity]

hm. you dont want long and angry, you want long and angry. hm.
OKAY.

first off, for girls its a major diss to themselves cause theyre just using their body to get attention for a one night stand. girls think sex = love, whereas guys just want sex cause it feels good. whatever. off topic. second for girls its trashing your body. its making guys think things about you that you probably dont even want. want to be a whore for EVERY male's eyes to see and slide over your body, drooling over you while he has a girlfriend whom he treats with respect?

frickin pornstars i tell you. i just want to strangle them all.

and on here! HEL-LOOO??? FFR is for FFR. not you effed up dirtbags who wear no clothes and display everything for every guy to see and obsess over. sickening, just sickening. if youre here frickin PLAY FFR!!! if youre just here to show off your everything, get the hell out because its awful for everyone.

i dont think that those girls really know what theyre doing to guys. a little modesty never killed anyone, infact it would make you a better person.

this is going all over. im not thinking straight.

porn just needs to go. it messes with guys heads and lives beyond anything we girls could ever know. it ruins marriages and ruins relationships.

my boyfriend struggles with it. it pulls him away from God and hurts him inside because he knows its wrong. just stating it and not trying to be selfish, but it comes through and hurts me too to know that hes seen other girls wearing nearly nothing. then i feel like nothing. somehow ive helped him a little bit by holding him accountable. i can try, but its up to him and all guys as well to do their part and strive for mental purity and sight purity -- no matter what the world throws at you. do your best, men.

porn hurts everybody. it does no good at all.

AAGH.
dont girls get it? if you dress like a frickin whore, guys are going to be ALL OVER YOU -- but not because they actually like you. its because they see some skimpy dressed girl, see her skin, they want her. they want to touch her and stare at her and think things that are repulsive and get her in bed ultimately. and all thats in a guys head if they look at the girl walking past them in the mall or someones avatar online or a banner that pops up and gets displayed online.

guys, im not blaming you. i know its how youre wired.

girls?
... i blame YOU.
you sluts who cant keep your clothes on to respect mens eyes, hearts, minds and purity. no, youre going to be selfcentered. i dont care who you are -- 'oh i wear that because the modeling people told me to..i really didnt want to do anything to guys..' well f you, YOU DO. youre screwing up their lives. if you know its wrong, JUST DONT DO IT!

..*Sigh*
i could go on all day.
its just wrong.
just..plain wrong.
repulsive, sick, disgusting, awful, and wrong.
and it ruins peoples lives.
you want that, girls?
well you do it.

and guys?
...no matter how hott she is or how much you want to just stare at her for days upon end -- dont. just dont. its only going to hurt you. bad. and mess you up. you have to force yourself to look away.

the struggle is great for men. i think we girls can do our part and not be sluts.

[MBurns]

I've been in numerous discussion forums and internet pornography/pornography in general is a subject that comes up often. Of course, whenever this subject comes up, religion gets in... I started by being respectful to those who beleived sexuality was wrong and that purity was "the thing", except i've grown tired of seeing the same thing over and over. Especially when strict religious persons disrespect/rant on how atheists think sexuality can be a good thing.

Just like anything, excess is never a good thing.

Over-sexualized models + over-advertisement of them leads to massive sheep-hoards (followers/copycats), yet moderate these and you get people "thinking about it", having an opinion that was not forced upon them.

Easy-access internet porn is not something wrong. Abusive use of pronography is.

etc.

(off-topic for a second)
In response to the latest reply before mine...Generalizing the way you do + angryness = no one's going to bother caring about what you said. Just because many teens are looking for an image that suits them or makes them feel better does not mean ALL of them do what you mentionned.

(back on topic)
Let's take a typicle situation:

Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to (headache or whatever). Husband goes on the net, browses for half a second and gets free porn, masturbates, goes to bed, happy.

Now try this without easy-access porn. Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to. Husband: AGAIN? But it's been 4 days! Husband goes to bed angry, meets a new girl at work who seems to enjoy sex more than his wife. Friendship builds on that turns into sexual attraction...bit of alcohol and they end up in bed.

This situation is a typical situation that already happens here and there...im quite certain without any accessible porn (as some people said here "PORN SHOULD BE BANNED, NUFF SAID"), it and many other situations would happen alot more often.

There's a reason why pornography makes Bill Gate's money every year.

Besides, if we forget about the Bible...I heard 1% of the humans were asexual...sexuality is a need, isnt it?

[devonin]

Originally Posted by shatteredgravity

hm. you dont want long and angry, you want long and angry. hm.
OKAY.

Long and angry no. Long and well thought out and reasonable yes.

first off, for girls its a major diss to themselves cause theyre just using their body to get attention for a one night stand.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. " Eleanor Roosevelt.

Who are you to tell all women that being in pornorgraphy is somehow automatically degrading? There is plenty of perfectly tasteful and artistic pornography out there, and believe me, for the things you find most objectionable, I suspect you'll find both men and women acting in those situations who -enjoy- doing that particular thing. Further, as many MANY people in porn will tell you, make or female, there is a -marked- difference between what they do at work and what they do at home with their significant others.

girls think sex = love,

but you just said that girls in porn are only in it for one night stands and degrade themselves...how can they do both at once?

whereas guys just want sex cause it feels good.

All generalizations are false.

whatever. off topic. second for girls its trashing your body. its making guys think things about you that you probably dont even want. want to be a whore for EVERY male's eyes to see and slide over your body, drooling over you while he has a girlfriend whom he treats with respect?

If a man and his girlfriend actually treat each other with respect they've already talked about, and worked out ground rules regarding pornography, and as far as I'm concerned, consenting adults can consent to anything they damn well want to.

and on here! HEL-LOOO??? FFR is for FFR. not you effed up dirtbags who wear no clothes and display everything for every guy to see and obsess over. sickening, just sickening. if youre here frickin PLAY FFR!!! if youre just here to show off your everything, get the hell out because its awful for everyone.

Yes...this is why there is a section of the forum for the arts, for video games, for literature, for critical thinking...because the only purpose of this entire site is to play FFR. I'm sorry that's just an invalid claim.

i dont think that those girls really know what theyre doing to guys. a little modesty never killed anyone, infact it would make you a better person.

i think most of those girls know -exactly- what they are "doing to" guys (I put that in quotes because you say it like guys have no choice whatsoever in the matter, which is patently false) and I can think of no way to directly tie modesty in clothing to quality as a person.

porn just needs to go. it messes with guys heads and lives beyond anything we girls could ever know. it ruins marriages and ruins relationships.

For people who like that sort of thing, it is the sort of thing those people will like. The only way porn could possibly "ruin" a marriage or relationship is if the two people in said marriage or relationship have such a stunted sense of love for each other that they refuse to simply be open and discuss these things before they become problematic. This is what dating before marriage is -for- to openly and honestly discuss your opinions and beliefs about things that are important to you, to ensure that you are compatible. This is no different than someone who woudln't marry somebody of a different faith, or who didn't like sports, or who snored. If it is that important to you, the onus is on YOU to ensure that your partner is aware of the strength of your opinion.

my boyfriend struggles with it. it pulls him away from God and hurts him inside because he knows its wrong.

He thinks it is wrong. Maybe he even thinks he knows it is wrong, but you know what? If he thinks it is -that- wrong, then frankly he should be trying harder not to do it.

it comes through and hurts me too to know that hes seen other girls wearing nearly nothing. then i feel like nothing.

See above quote: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. " the person who has decided that this makes you feel like nothing is YOU, YOU are allowing YOURSELF to feel that way, and if you could get over your own sense of self-pity, and shame, you'd see that you don't have to feel that way, if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn.

somehow ive helped him a little bit by holding him accountable. i can try, but its up to him and all guys as well to do their part and strive for mental purity and sight purity

Mental purity...wow, that is some incredibly loaded language. From whence comes your definition of "impure thought"? How far does it go? Am I to blame when I have pornographic dreams? Am I to blame when my body physically reacts to something and I have no control over it? Sight purity? So what...a girl walks by and I cover my eyes and go "Get ye back, Slut!" Do you really think this is a positive message to be espousing here? Just how much of the world do you think we should pretend doesn't exist?

guys, im not blaming you. i know its how youre wired.

This is easily ten times more insulting than if you -did- blame us. At least by blaming us you give us enough respect as humans to grant that maybe we're actually capable of choice in the matter.

girls?
... i blame YOU.

Funny how you give -more- respect to the ones you have the lower opinion of.

its just wrong. to me
just..plain wrong. to me
repulsive, sick, disgusting, awful, and wrong.to me
and it ruins peoples lives.to me
you want that, girls?
well you do it.

[evilcowgod]

Originally Posted by shatteredgravity

porn hurts everybody. it does no good at all.

This is the only sentence that caught my eye. Porn does not hurt anybody, those who decide to partake in porn movies/films/pictures, have made that choice on their own, and get paid for it. It's their goal to make money of you because you like what you see. Of course, hardly anybody ever ends up paying for internet pornography.

Originally Posted by shatteredgravity

porn just needs to go. it messes with guys heads and lives beyond anything we girls could ever know. it ruins marriages and ruins relationships.

I don't know where to begin correcting this sentence.

Porn does not need to go, it's been around as long as the internet itself (even longer; porn magazines and movies, you can't forget, they were around long before public internet even existed).

It messes with guy's heads? WTF? It messes with their dicks more like it. Besides, everybody knowns that anything that guys DON'T know about porn already, just by watching the stuff, is probably going to be answered later in life at any rate (health classes, etc.).

It ruins and marriages? Why? How? Care to explain?

I don't see how it could unless one tried to hide porn from one another, rather then be honest about it. Whats wrong with looking at porn when your mate isn't around?

Porn is going to be around forever, and as long as the internet is still alive and kicking, it's going to be limitlessly accessible to anybody. And thank god for that.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by evilcowgod

This is the only sentence that caught my eye. Porn does not hurt anybody, those who decide to partake in porn movies/films/pictures, have made that choice on their own, and get paid for it. It's their goal to make money of you because you like what you see. Of course, hardly anybody ever ends up paying for internet pornography.

Right, because getting paid to do something you choose to do eliminates all risk of physical, mental, and/or emotional injury.

Come on, man.

It ruins and marriages? Why? How? Care to explain?

Addictions of any kind put great strain on all relationships: marital, parental, familial, and friendly. Such strain can easily cause failure in marriages whether they be strong ones or fragile ones. You'd have to be naïve to think that porn doesn't hurt marriages.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[devonin]

Porn != Addiction to porn any more than smoking a cigar now and again is an addiction to tobacco, or a glass of wine with christmas dinner is alcoholism.

-Anything- done to extreme excess is unhealthy, you can't judge something as completely bad just because of what happens when it is done to excess.

[MarisaKirisame]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Addictions of any kind put great strain on all relationships: marital, parental, familial, and friendly. Such strain can easily cause failure in marriages whether they be strong ones or fragile ones. You'd have to be naïve to think that porn doesn't hurt marriages.

--Guido

Personally, I wouldn't get married in the first place with someone who did not like the things I do, just as there are a few(not very many, but a few) things that would bother me a bit in someone else.

Of course, I wouldn't stop dating someone JUST because I didn't like something that they did, but if I chose to marry them while still not liking the thing they did, I would not bother them for doing it. It is their choice, and if I love the person that much, it shouldn't make a difference at all what they're into.

I admit, there are some things that morally, I'm really, REALLY against, but I'd manage to get over it and accept them for who they are if I were willing to MARRY them.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by devonin

Porn != Addiction to porn any more than smoking a cigar now and again is an addiction to tobacco, or a glass of wine with christmas dinner is alcoholism.

-Anything- done to extreme excess is unhealthy, you can't judge something as completely bad just because of what happens when it is done to excess.

I was addressing evilcowgod and evilcowgod only, not the OP or anything else mentioned.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[evilcowgod]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Right, because getting paid to do something you choose to do eliminates all risk of physical, mental, and/or emotional injury.

Come on, man.

I'm not saying there isn't risk involved, but it's their choice. It's not anybody else's falut.

Addictions of any kind put great strain on all relationships: marital, parental, familial, and friendly. Such strain can easily cause failure in marriages whether they be strong ones or fragile ones. You'd have to be naïve to think that porn doesn't hurt marriages.

It would only hurt a marriage if the change is unexpected, I'm sure if they talked about it beforehand, it would be ok.

[MarisaKirisame]

Originally Posted by evilcowgod

It would only hurt a marriage if the change is unexpected, I'm sure if they talked about it beforehand, it would be ok.

This is exactly what I was trying to say.

Unless the addiction is new, it should not cause any harm, as any major stuff should've been dealt with before the marriage.

[shatteredgravity]

Originally Posted by devonin

See above quote: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. " the person who has decided that this makes you feel like nothing is YOU, YOU are allowing YOURSELF to feel that way, and if you could get over your own sense of self-pity, and shame, you'd see that you don't have to feel that way, if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn

.

im a ****ty person inside. low selfesteem and the like. i know that. dont need to be reminded, thank you.

Mental purity...wow, that is some incredibly loaded language. From whence comes your definition of "impure thought"? How far does it go? Am I to blame when I have pornographic dreams? Am I to blame when my body physically reacts to something and I have no control over it? Sight purity? So what...a girl walks by and I cover my eyes and go "Get ye back, Slut!" Do you really think this is a positive message to be espousing here? Just how much of the world do you think we should pretend doesn't exist?

dreams you cant control. i agree. when your body reacts, whatever.
sight purity? hell yeah! if some girl sluttily dressed comes by and youre gonna openly gawk at her and let your mind race with things you shouldnt be thinking.. eh. glancing is fine, but its what you do with it after.
and you know i would love to pretend the world doesnt exist. its so effed up because of us.
[an; that line "get ye back, slut"? hahaha..made me laugh but its true XD]

If he thinks it is -that- wrong, then frankly he should be trying harder not to do it.

this line?
eff off.
he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures. its against God. its wrong. as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn.

maybe im just tired, but explain. cause if i think what i think youre saying...dude. just..dont. dont even go there.

This is easily ten times more insulting than if you -did- blame us. At least by blaming us you give us enough respect as humans to grant that maybe we're actually capable of choice in the matter.

im sorry if i insulted anybody, i really am. guys are just attracted to things visually -- i know that. its just how you are! its not a diss its just the facts!
and im not stupid. i know youre capable of choice.

maybe what i think is right is not what you think is right. but these are forums, and i was entitled to write down my opinion, so i did. but then i just get effed out for it.

If he thinks it is -that- wrong, then frankly he should be trying harder not to do it.

this line?
eff off.
he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures. its against God. its wrong. as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn.

maybe im just tired, but explain. cause if i think what i think youre saying...dude. just..dont. dont even go there.

Originally Posted by evilcowgod

I don't know where to begin correcting this sentence.

Porn does not need to go, it's been around as long as the internet itself (even longer; porn magazines and movies, you can't forget, they were around long before public internet even existed).

It messes with guy's heads? WTF? It messes with their dicks more like it. Besides, everybody knowns that anything that guys DON'T know about porn already, just by watching the stuff, is probably going to be answered later in life at any rate (health classes, etc.).

It ruins and marriages? Why? How? Care to explain?

I don't see how it could unless one tried to hide porn from one another, rather then be honest about it. Whats wrong with looking at porn when your mate isn't around?

Porn is going to be around forever, and as long as the internet is still alive and kicking, it's going to be limitlessly accessible to anybody. And thank god for that.

oh i dont even know where to begin to correct this sentence..erm..multiple paragraphs...anyhoo!

it messes with guys heads cause when that chick in a bikini walks by you just want to stare. then if you start thinking (for some guys), you start thinking things that are not good at all. i dont want to get all into that.

it ruins marriages and relationships, well yes if its hidden from the other, but of COURSE its effin wrong to look at porn when your mate isnt around!!! youre trying to get satisfaction from something else other than your wife..and that is WRONG. no questions asked.

as for thanking God for porn? dont. He hates it.

Originally Posted by mburns

Easy-access internet porn is not something wrong. Abusive use of pronography is.

i spose thats agreeable.

(off-topic for a second)
In response to the latest reply before mine...Generalizing the way you do + angryness = no one's going to bother caring about what you said. Just because many teens are looking for an image that suits them or makes them feel better does not mean ALL of them do what you mentionned.

DUH!!!
but doesnt mean they have to be whores to get peoples attention. causethen that attention is bad attention and you'll only get noticed for your body.

(back on topic)
Let's take a typicle situation:

Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to (headache or whatever). Husband goes on the net, browses for half a second and gets free porn, masturbates, goes to bed, happy.

Now try this without easy-access porn. Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to. Husband: AGAIN? But it's been 4 days! Husband goes to bed angry, meets a new girl at work who seems to enjoy sex more than his wife. Friendship builds on that turns into sexual attraction...bit of alcohol and they end up in bed.

This situation is a typical situation that already happens here and there...im quite certain without any accessible porn (as some people said here "PORN SHOULD BE BANNED, NUFF SAID"), it and many other situations would happen alot more often.

i cant even begin to explain how disgusting and disrespectful to the wife this is. they may as well not even be married! if hes getting his pleasure from himself or another women! your wife is supposed to be the one and only, and if she doesnt want to have sex the husband should respect that, cause theres gonna be days when she feels like it but hes too tired "or whatever" from work. the 'typical situation' shouldnt even be one. if hes gonna go have sex with another woman, go marry her you moron. you just cheated on your wife after you vowed to spend eternity with her. what happened to respect?

AAAGH!!!

oh and --

Besides, if we forget about the Bible...

thats the only reason im posting in this forum. im standing up for Him.

[[TeRa]]

Less porn, more intelligent people in life.

It's quite simple, it would be for the better.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by shatteredgravity

im a ****ty person inside. low selfesteem and the like. i know that. dont need to be reminded, thank you.

You're very welcome. Please don't take your insecurities out on everyone else.

this line?
eff off.

Respond rationally or not at all please.

he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures. its against God. its wrong. as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

If he's doing the best he can, what gives you the right to call him to task for his minor failings that he's doing his utmost to prevent? How prideful are you that you let yourself feel worthless because his best isn't up to the standards you demand of him in order to not feel hurt?

maybe im just tired, but explain. cause if i think what i think youre saying...dude. just..dont. dont even go there.

You're right, it was completely out of line to assume that you could give him the caring, love, compassion, presence and affection that he can't get from porn. I'll never imply that again.

im sorry if i insulted anybody, i really am. guys are just attracted to things visually -- i know that. its just how you are! its not a diss its just the facts!
and im not stupid. i know youre capable of choice.

"It is just how you are" "you are capable of choice" These concepts are mutually exclusive. Either this is how we are, and there's nothing we can do about it, or we have choice in which case we can do whatever we want about about. And yes, it is a "diss" to say to someone "You are doing sinful behavior, but you have no choice" It implies that we are inherantly flawed in a way that you don't seem to think women are (since -they- get to choose, and aren't "made that way")

maybe what i think is right is not what you think is right. but these are forums, and i was entitled to write down my opinion, so i did. but then i just get effed out for it.

You are entitled to post your own opinion, in a reasonable way, with evidence to support your position, and we are entitled to question your evidence and present our own opinions. Welcome to Critical Thinking. If you want to post things, and then get righteously indignant when someone takes issue with it, go to chit chat.

Also, you quoted text twice, with the same response twice. If you didn't decide to respond any way you wanted, and used the quote function like everyone else, chances are it wouldn't happen as much.

PS: Triple posts are bad. Here in CT, one long post, properly quoting people as you address them is -vastly- preferable. "tl;dr" doesn't fly here, so even if your reponses to the three of us filled a whole page, do so. The interested serious people will read every word of it.

[GuidoHunter]

Shatteredgravity, your laziness is no excuse for burdening the rest of us with the multiposts and the stupid boldings.

I've fixed your quote tags and merged your posts this time, but don't do it again.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MarisaKirisame]

Originally Posted by shatteredgravity

im a ****ty person inside. low selfesteem and the like. i know that. dont need to be reminded, thank you.

It's all in your head. Seriously.

I have to deal with suicidal thoughts every single day. Things are never as bad as they seem, and only get worse from thinking negatively. I have an awfully hard time thinking positively, but it sure is possible as long as you're willing.

sight purity? hell yeah! if some girl sluttily dressed comes by and youre gonna openly gawk at her and let your mind race with things you shouldnt be thinking.. eh. glancing is fine, but its what you do with it after.

Okay, now tell me why it's bad to be aroused. In fact, tell me why it's bad to have extreme sexual feelings about someone, or to fantasize about, say, your friends.

It's pretty healthy and actually good for you.

and you know i would love to pretend the world doesnt exist. its so effed up because of us.

But that's just ignoring reality... That's ignoring how things really are just because you don't want to agree with them...

he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in

Wait, what? The world is actually improving morally in comparison to so many years ago. It used to be the norm to cut off heads and body parts as punishment. I'm sure it still is somewhere in the world.

where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures.

What's wrong with that? It makes for a more pleasurable world. It makes life more fun and interesting.

its against God. its wrong.

Okay, but what about the other part of the world that doesn't even believe in God, or believes in another religion?

I don't believe in a god, does that imply that I'm free to do ANYTHING?

as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

Fair choice. If you two have religious beliefs, then that's up to you guys.

im sorry if i insulted anybody, i really am. guys are just attracted to things visually

Girls are also attracted to things visually. Just like guys, they aren't attracted to things ONLY visually, but they are attracted to things visually.

its just how you are!

It's just "how guys are?" So are girls perfect nonsexual being or what?

Because that's what you're implying by saying that.
maybe what i think is right is not what you think is right. but these are forums, and i was entitled to write down my opinion, so i did. but then i just get effed out for it.

Well, if we agreed with you, we wouldn't bother to post unless we had something to add to it or something like that <3 The point of Critical Thinking is to discuss. To take your point of view into a group and try and change it or see what others think of something. That is why people discuss stuff. There are quite a few times in CT where I've gone "wow, you know, that's a pretty good idea" and changed my opinion on something.

it messes with guys heads cause when that chick in a bikini walks by you just want to stare.

That's gonna happen naturally, whether you look at porn or not. Those are just the normal sexual urges people get.

then if you start thinking (for some guys), you start thinking things that are not good at all.

Don't forget to tell me why these aren't good <3 I said something about this higher up in my post, so yeah, check out that part again, I'd respond the same way to this part.

it ruins marriages and relationships, well yes if its hidden from the other, but of COURSE its effin wrong to look at porn when your mate isnt around!!!

Why is it wrong?

youre trying to get satisfaction from something else other than your wife..

And? It is not like hiring a prostitute to come into your house and have sex with you. You don't even know the pornstars, and will probably forget the specific person existed 5 minutes after masturbating.

The point of sex is for the emotional attachment between the two people. You cannot attach yourself to a pornstar you just see on your computer screen.

Well, you can, but it'd be one-ended, haha.

and that is WRONG. no questions asked.

But I do have a question.

Why?

as for thanking God for porn? dont. He hates it.

If he hated it, he wouldn't've allowed it to exist in the first place.

And really, by allowing it to exist, it is now HIS fault for just that. If he did not allow it to exist, then he isn't the god you're thinking of.

DUH!!!
but doesnt mean they have to be whores to get peoples attention. causethen that attention is bad attention and you'll only get noticed for your body.

What if a girl just likes to have sex? How's it any different from a guy who just likes to have sex? It feels good. Do we need more reason to enjoy it?

I'm not saying everyone should go out and have sex with random people for fun, but I'm saying people should lighten up and be more open about it. It's about the most natural thing in the world.

i cant even begin to explain how disgusting and disrespectful to the wife this is. they may as well not even be married! if hes getting his pleasure from himself or another women! your wife is supposed to be the one and only, and if she doesnt want to have sex the husband should respect that, cause theres gonna be days when she feels like it but hes too tired "or whatever" from work. the 'typical situation' shouldnt even be one. if hes gonna go have sex with another woman, go marry her you moron. you just cheated on your wife after you vowed to spend eternity with her. what happened to respect?

AAAGH!!!

There a huuuuuuuuge moral difference in having sex with someone else while married and masturbating to porn while married, at least in most peoples' eyes.

I talked about this in another part of this post. Refer to that part.

If you don't wanna respond to all of this, that's fine and understandable. What I and I think many others would really like to hear is a bit on why you think some of the stuff we're talking about is wrong.

I'm sure you could say "because God said so," but what about for the people who don't believe in any god? What about them? You can't just ignore an entire group of people because they don't have the same religion.

Man, that was a pretty big post. I'll try to keep it short and to the point from now on. Something that gets the main points across in a paragraph or two.

Originally Posted by [TeRa]

Less porn, more intelligent people in life.

It's quite simple, it would be for the better.

Uh.

What?

Are you saying people who do porn or look at porn are stupid?

If so, why?