Go Back   Flash Flash Revolution: Community Forums > General Discussion > Critical Thinking
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-19-2007, 08:33 PM   #41
rules_the_school
FFR Player
 
rules_the_school's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Wouldn't you like to know
Posts: 47
Default Re: Real musicians

A real musician is a person who play's music just for the sake of music, not for money or fame, just so they can hear the sound. Or a musician who play's music to get real messages through, like an exact opposite of 50 cent (no disses, just example)who doesn't talk about sex, drugs and being a gangsta' but instead about how corrupt politic's is, how unfair being black can be, or how the gap between rich white kids (Sorry but it's mostly them..) and poverty ridden asians and african's is growing. So to me, a real musician is someone who is not afraid to sing what they feel, instead of something that sell's.
__________________

Fat kid rules the world. And space.
rules_the_school is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2007, 08:38 PM   #42
A2_Sauce
FFR Player
 
A2_Sauce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Wisconsin
Age: 31
Posts: 631
Send a message via AIM to A2_Sauce
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drummer4life13 View Post
R u kidding?!?
Its hard to get the right rythem down and to learn how to use your foot in beat with your hands.
lmao, try playing the cello you donk
__________________

A2_Sauce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2007, 08:39 PM   #43
V3T_ddrultramix3
FFR Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: I can't tell you, I'm playing Hide and Go Fall Off A Cliff!
Posts: 307
Exclamation Re: Real musicians

[quote=Flesh Field;1559296]

Two of the best drummers in the world are John Bonham from Led Zeppelin and Chirs Adler from Lamb of God.

QUOTE]

You forgot *forgets name* from Rush.
__________________
Awsome Contest. Enter Here.

, now!
V3T_ddrultramix3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2007, 08:42 PM   #44
devonin
Very Grave Indeed
FFR Simfile AuthorFFR Veteran
 
devonin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ontario, Canada
Age: 36
Posts: 10,098
Send a message via AIM to devonin Send a message via MSN to devonin
Default Re: Real musicians

Neil Peart. And yes, he's incredible, but I think any discussion of drummers is incomplete without Gene Krupa (Who I feel is arguably the greatest drummer who has ever existed)
devonin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2007, 01:48 AM   #45
hayatewillown
FFR Player
FFR Veteran
 
hayatewillown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 411
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewpinthethird View Post
Try playing a drum set sometime. Moving four limbs independently of each other while keeping the tempo and rhythm ain't no easy task.
Very true.
__________________
hayatewillown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 07:33 PM   #46
purebloodtexan
FFR Player
 
purebloodtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In front of the speakers, banging my head until I get a nosebleed.
Age: 29
Posts: 2,845
Send a message via AIM to purebloodtexan
Default Re: Real musicians

The members of Stomp - original and new - are incredible drummers, regardless of the fact that they're using every day items to make music.
__________________


purebloodtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 07:41 PM   #47
soulofcerberus
FFR Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 367
Send a message via AIM to soulofcerberus
Default Re: Real musicians

IMO drummers are musicians... but only if they're good enough. Just playing an instrument doesn't qualify you as a musician. You have to be dedicated and have some ability to actually be considered a musician. Anyone can sit down at a drum and bang away, but it takes time and effort to actually be able to play the drums. That being said, a lot of people who claim they "play" the drums don't really.

P.S. Harp is harder than drumz and other muzical inztrumentz
soulofcerberus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 07:54 PM   #48
Master_of_the_Faster
FFR Player
 
Master_of_the_Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Storm Sanctuary!
Posts: 255
Default Re: Real musicians

To me, a musician is a person who can recieve any type of fame from others besides yourself and those people who would say that you are a good musician and lie. Basically, if you can convince a random person who doesn't know you at all or even someone who dislikes you to love your music, I would say that you are good enough to atleast be a musician. Of course, that is to just become a musician, but that doesn't mean that you are exactly a great musician or one of the best musicians unless you raise in ranks with your abilities and could convince many large audiences of people that you are talented. Money doesn't exactly make you a musician, but if you get incredibly rich from music, it may be a sign that lots of people really think you're talented and money drives musicians to have the want/need to become even better.
Master_of_the_Faster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 08:17 PM   #49
Wlfwnd91
FFR Player
 
Wlfwnd91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Roselle, IL (NW Suburb)
Age: 29
Posts: 499
Send a message via AIM to Wlfwnd91 Send a message via MSN to Wlfwnd91 Send a message via Yahoo to Wlfwnd91
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster View Post
To me, a musician is a person who can recieve any type of fame from others besides yourself and those people who would say that you are a good musician and lie. Basically, if you can convince a random person who doesn't know you at all or even someone who dislikes you to love your music, I would say that you are good enough to atleast be a musician. Of course, that is to just become a musician, but that doesn't mean that you are exactly a great musician or one of the best musicians unless you raise in ranks with your abilities and could convince many large audiences of people that you are talented. Money doesn't exactly make you a musician, but if you get incredibly rich from music, it may be a sign that lots of people really think you're talented and money drives musicians to have the want/need to become even better.
Yea, we all know how incredible Fallout Boy is. Great musicians right there.
__________________


Wlfwnd91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 10:15 PM   #50
lord_carbo
FFR Player
 
lord_carbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: fighting villains from afar, NJ
Age: 28
Posts: 6,223
Send a message via AIM to lord_carbo
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewpinthethird View Post
Try playing a drum set sometime. Moving four limbs independently of each other while keeping the tempo and rhythm ain't no easy task.

Dummer4life, your friend is an idiot. Straight up. Seriously, that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
I bet he also said something like, "electronic music isn't music."
__________________
last.fm
lord_carbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2007, 07:33 PM   #51
metalliram
FFR Player
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Drums by themselves don't really make a type of music most people would like to listen to, but things like guitars by themselves often do. This is why some people have difficulty accepting drummers as musicians.
Obviously you have never heard military or African drumming. Both of those types of drumming can be quite enjoyable to listen to when performed by talented percussionists. I agree that not everyone would enjoy that type of music, but most people I know don't like jazz... does that mean that jazz should have difficulty being accepted as a type of music?

I think that drummers would have a harder time being accepted as musicians here only because they are rarely seen outside their role as the supporter, or tempo-setter (roles I know from experience are highly valuable) and capable of standing alone. If you were to travel to other countries where drummers are more often seen playing alone, then you would probably have a hard time finding someone who DIDN'T think they were musicians.

Also, I believe drums were some of the earliest instruments to be played, but I could be wrong.
metalliram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2007, 07:47 PM   #52
soulofcerberus
FFR Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 367
Send a message via AIM to soulofcerberus
Default Re: Real musicians

most guitar players suck major ass
soulofcerberus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 12:37 AM   #53
Aznvazn
FFR Player
 
Aznvazn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2
Default Re: Real musicians

I think it all depends on preference, feeling, and emotion.

I mean, you can express yourself if you are a guitarist, or if you prefer to play an classical instrument, like me

Some people may like guitars over violins.

There isn't really a section of "real" musicians; anyone who plays an instrument and expresses themselves can be considered a "real musician," unless you're one of those people who plays random music and has no feeling in the notes your play, or are just randomly playing stuff for fame. XD
Aznvazn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 02:00 AM   #54
purebloodtexan
FFR Player
 
purebloodtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In front of the speakers, banging my head until I get a nosebleed.
Age: 29
Posts: 2,845
Send a message via AIM to purebloodtexan
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aznvazn View Post
I think it all depends on preference, feeling, and emotion.

I mean, you can express yourself if you are a guitarist, or if you prefer to play an classical instrument, like me

Some people may like guitars over violins.

There isn't really a section of "real" musicians; anyone who plays an instrument and expresses themselves can be considered a "real musician," unless you're one of those people who plays random music and has no feeling in the notes your play, or are just randomly playing stuff for fame. XD
My apologies, but I fail to see how random music and (for lack of a better word) "fame" tie in together.
__________________


purebloodtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 02:39 AM   #55
Relambrien
FFR Player
 
Relambrien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Age: 29
Posts: 1,647
Send a message via AIM to Relambrien Send a message via MSN to Relambrien
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by metalliram View Post
Obviously you have never heard military or African drumming. Both of those types of drumming can be quite enjoyable to listen to when performed by talented percussionists. I agree that not everyone would enjoy that type of music, but most people I know don't like jazz... does that mean that jazz should have difficulty being accepted as a type of music?

I think that drummers would have a harder time being accepted as musicians here only because they are rarely seen outside their role as the supporter, or tempo-setter (roles I know from experience are highly valuable) and capable of standing alone. If you were to travel to other countries where drummers are more often seen playing alone, then you would probably have a hard time finding someone who DIDN'T think they were musicians.

Also, I believe drums were some of the earliest instruments to be played, but I could be wrong.
Jazz is widely accepted as a type of music because there was a time when it was a favorite among people.

On a side note, I am in a military education program, so I have heard military drumming quite extensively. Also, I was regrettably forced to endure the torture that is African drumming by a teacher of mine, who was very zealous about African culture and heritage. The entire month of February was spent listening to African music, reading African stories, and studying African authors. I despised the music; it was horrible.

But honestly, would you really want to listen to military drumming or African drumming in your free time? Would you have those on your iPod? Is that music you would want to listen to over other types of music equally available? The vast majority of people would say no. Thus, the vast majority is less likely to consider a drummer a musician (elaborated below). Also, there was never a point in American history where drums by themselves were enjoyed by the masses. Folk and classical music gave way to big band, swing, etc.

When I say people are less likely to consider a drummer a musician, I mean that if you ask a person "Which of the following fits your definition of "musician" better? Guitarist or drummer?" they will say a guitarist. The guitarist then becomes the standard, and since a drummer is "less" than a guitarist (in terms of the person's definition), they do not as readily qualify for the title "musician."

However, people like to listen to music that only has one, say, guitar. If you turn on the radio to a station that plays a variety of music, you'll often hear at least one song that's sung by one person and an acoustic guitar. Nothing else. This is why guitarists are more widely accepted as musicians than drummers; drums can't create an appealing type of music by themselves.

This is because their pitch variety is severely limited compared to other instruments. The piano has all its keys and the foot pedals, string instruments have a nearly infinite number of pitches (due to the way pitch change on string instruments works), instruments like the flute have many variable pitches based on the position(s) of the fingers, etc. But the drums are limited, pitch-wise, to each individual drum and the cymbals available. The patterns and combinations created with them allow for great diversity, but the number of actual pitches is severely limited when compared to other mainstream instruments. While it can create a lot of combinations of pitches, the other instruments can create a lot MORE pitches, allowing for a more diverse melody. With the drums, rhythm is all you really have: each individual drum or cymbal being hit at a certain point.

Last edited by Relambrien; 06-25-2007 at 02:43 AM..
Relambrien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 06:02 AM   #56
dascookieman
FFR Player
 
dascookieman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: we wrestle polar bears
Age: 33
Posts: 3,248
Default Re: Real musicians

Of course drummers are musicians. Almost ALL music has drums, why? Because they really do add that much to the music. It's an instrument like any other and if you use it to create music you are of course a musician.
__________________
dascookieman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 12:45 PM   #57
Artic_counter
FFR Veteran
FFR Veteran
 
Artic_counter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In your anus. Right corner
Age: 27
Posts: 1,002
Default Re: Real musicians

Of course Drummers are musicians! We can only call someone a musician when he or she create music. Example: I'm a musician 'cause I work with some stream lines and a lot of others things to make Techno song. You don't have to play an instrument to be a musician. By the way, I've once heard a song that the only instrument in it was the Drum.
__________________



Last edited by Artic_counter; 06-25-2007 at 12:46 PM.. Reason: Grammar mistake. sorry
Artic_counter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2007, 05:11 AM   #58
maxymoo
FFR Player
 
maxymoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: ATL, GA
Age: 29
Posts: 33
Send a message via AIM to maxymoo
Default Re: Real musicians

Musician : a composer, conductor, or performer of music

If you consider a drum solo music, then he is considered a musician. This is a point of view argument and therefore should not be in critical thinking seeing as that many opinions are biased.
__________________
The only thing that hurts more than losing the one you love is seeing them with someone else... happy.
maxymoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-7-2007, 12:35 AM   #59
dudelogan14
FFR Player
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Age: 27
Posts: 219
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drummer4life13 View Post
R u kidding?!?
Its hard to get the right rythem down and to learn how to use your foot in beat with your hands.
you are obviously a bad drummer pretending to be a good one.

a good musician?
Claudio Sanchez.

<3.
__________________


I don't go for AAA's.

Best Fc- For FFR/Turkish March
Fc's- prolly about like 190 lmao.
dudelogan14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-7-2007, 12:43 AM   #60
chunky_cheese
FFR Player
FFR Veteran
 
chunky_cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Edmonton, Canada
Age: 29
Posts: 1,736
Default Re: Real musicians

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixdude View Post
tempo and beat keeper
Tempo + Beat = Stepfile

Drummers are Musicians.
chunky_cheese is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright FlashFlashRevolution