Homosexual Marriage

[ticktickBOOM]

Originally Posted by gnr61

Good, now edit all of your other posts to make them readable, then I'll consider pointing out all of the obsene flaws in your 6th grade Bible-school logic.

owait.

It's been done over the last 30 pages. Nevermind then I won't even bother.

edit

howabout you decode my secret messages while i sleep goodnight sweet dreams you guys

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[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by ticktickBOOM

you must be a nobody because you were responding

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You were complaining that an earlier poster was only criticising your attitude and would not address your points. That is what I was referring to. Stop being a smartass. Stop using semantics to evade the point.

[GuidoHunter]

Everyone shut up and get back to the topic. Y'all were doing all right until the thread derailment. I suggest ticktickBOOM restate his positions with GOOD GRAMMAR and using THE EDIT BUTTON so that he'll be taken seriously.

I suggest that all the rest of you let ME do the nitpicking in private messages so that you don't derail the thread again.

We clear?

gnr61: six days for flaming in CT.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by ticktickBOOM

i think that homosexuality is wrong if God made us

Let's stop here. That's a pretty big if. If you can't turn it into a since, then I don't see why anything that follows has any validity.

you know how people always say that people are born gay or lesbian i think that that is incorrect God has given us all the priviledges of choosing what we want to be for example do you want to be homosexual if the answer is yes you have chosen that if the answer is no you have chosen that

Did you choose to be human? Did you choose to be male (I assume you are)?

now it is your choice you arent born homo during your life

What evidence do you have for this statement?

if everyone decides to be gay we would all die off

Everyone who is alive today will die, regardless of sexual orientation. Sexual orientation only determines whether more people will take their place and eventually die as well. Why does it matter to you if all people currently alive die, as people always do, but no new people are born to repeat the cycle?

some of this info is based on fact

Prove it

some on opinion and dont try to tell me my opinion is wrong because it is impossible my opinion would not be wrong your opinion would just disagree with it

Contrary to what the obviously fantastic educational system has taught you about opinions, there are such things as bad ones. Bad opinions are opinions constructed in ignorance and blind emotion, as well as opinions which refuse to be tested and opinions which are received wholly from others without question. If you can prove your opinion doesn't have any of these attributes, only then does it deserve respect.

your opinion cannot be wrong because it is what you beleive and unless you choose cannot be changed no one can tell you your opinion is wrong

People can believe things that are wrong. I'd also like to know under what circumstances you would choose to change your opinion.

not to be rude but if you cant take what people are saying dont make it any worse for yourself and say good riddance it makes you sound self absorbed and cranky and ........well .................rude.

You aren't being rude. I do think you are being foolish. If someone wants to rattle off an opinion and then say "this isn't up for discussion", they shouldn't be in a discussion thread. That seems pretty straightforward to me.

Originally Posted by ticktickBOOM

well yes and no, see the opinion whether you like somone is an opinion but i dont like alot of people but you dont see me killing them

That may be true. However, if you were of the opinion that it was justifiable to kill people you didn't like, then we might see an opinion which is problematic, no?

its not the opinion that provokes people to kill it takes a certain kind of person to kill they have to be insane completely evil or desprately desprate or just sick in the mind

Would you say the same thing about members of the US military? What about your local police? Is killing in self-defense acceptable?

that is not opinion it is teh way a person is the persons nature opinions dont provoke them to kill

People don't usually kill at random, they generally have specific desires to kill specific people because of opinions they have about them, or about morality, or about other issues. The desire to kill may be just a desire, but opinion plays a role except in the cases of complete psychotics.

[ICC]

why do we choose to be straight or to be gay (or both)?, It's based on being happy and having a happy life with someone you would want to be with for the rest of your life and if being gay is what makes someone happy then they have the right to be gay. Straight people get married with the people they want to spend the rest of thier lifes with, homosexuals should have the same right to be married too. Also, if everyone was straight wouldn't the world be a bit more crowded?

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

i say homo's is a bad thing cuz evrything bout it is just wrong (no offense)... there's a reason y callin someone gay is offensive (once again no offense)... thats just my opinion.

A few things...use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation.

EDIT: Post edited since I was being an asshole.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by psychopete

A few things...first, use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation.

Should've stopped here.

your thoughts are stupid

Oh, you are SO not welcome in CT if you say crap like that.

Stay out of CT with thoughts like that.

Oh, you are SO not welcome in CT if you say crap like that.

Consider this your only warning, pete.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

Let's stop here. That's a pretty big if. If you can't turn it into a since, then I don't see why anything that follows has any validity.

I agree. Also, if God made us all into being what we are, that doesn't make God right. Some people's parents are criminals and God itself could be some evil being. Does that mean the children of these beings would always be bad? Even still, any argument made with the thought that God's existance is 100% true or 100% false is an ignorant statement with no evidence.

Edit: Regardless of whether or not homosexuals choose to be the way they are or if they are born that why, banning their lifestyle is wrong. Customs and traditions have no proof of validity as far as the thought of any god(s) are concerned. Even still, if this God had no justified reason to hate a homosexual, this God would be at fault. Customs and traditions for over as far as humans know, have only proven to have been made by and for humans. So what if we defy old customs. Some of them simply take away life, liberty, and property for no proven or valid reason at all. After all, what is a homosexual being who gets married, doing to you?

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

Also, if God made us all into being what we are, that doesn't make God right. Some people's parents are criminals and God itself could be some evil being. Does that mean the children of these beings would always be bad?

Actually I think the more important question is why would a being which is all loving, all knowing, and all powerful create people who would suffer eternally, or allow people to make choices which would cause them to suffer eternally? Or even more simply, why would suffering exist at all if such a God existed?

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

Actually I think the more important question is why would a being which is all loving, all knowing, and all powerful create people who would suffer eternally, or allow people to make choices which would cause them to suffer eternally? Or even more simply, why would suffering exist at all if such a God existed?

I personally think that there might be an evil force against this God or that this God is not really 100% righteous. Even in the instance that there would be an evil force against the God, who is to say that this God could be 100% righteous? Wouldn't God have to do unholy and unrighteous things to perhaps get rid of such evil beings? So far, the only thoughts about God are hypotheticals and I would to personally believe that such a God is not 100% righteous.

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Oh, you are SO not welcome in CT if you say crap like that.

Calling someone's thoughts stupid isn't a personal attack. The statement made was "if you don't have a reason to consider something immoral, it is stupid to consider it immoral". I happen to agree with that assessment.

Oh, you are SO not welcome in CT if you say crap like that.

This statement and the statement pete made are functionally identical. I don't see why non-moderators shouldn't be allowed to make such statements. In fact when the statement is made by a non-moderator it imposes nothing on the person it was made to, whereas your statement is both a threat and a restriction.

Now of course being in the position you are, you don't have to answer to me, but your ability to handle my concerns will dictate whether or not I respect your use of authority.

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

I personally think that there might be an evil force against this God or that this God is not really 100% righteous. Even in the instance that there would be an evil force against the God, who is to say that this God could be 100% righteous? Wouldn't God have to do unholy and unrighteous things to perhaps get rid of such evil beings?

The existence of an evil force to begin with contradicts an all powerful, all loving God. In either circumstance, the only conclusions are:

A: That God does not exist
B: That God is less than completely all loving, all knowing, and all powerful in some way.
C: That the existence of evil actually satisfies a requirement of omnibenevolence and that humans simply cannot fathom this.

So far, the only thoughts about God are hypotheticals and I would to personally believe that such a God is not 100% righteous.

I think you may be on the right track, but you need to learn a few more hypotheticals.

[dekinaineko]

[quote=phe0nixblade;1441956]LOL

I do care, I care that they might try and rape me. I don't want that. so, yea.[/QUOTE/]

geee... when straight ppl find out their friend/friends isnt straight some of them go all "dont harras me!" and back away. why dont ppl think that way about their straight friends of the opposite gender? geeeee...stupid ppl 8D

[buttonmasher0]

[quote=dekinaineko;1607350]

Originally Posted by phe0nixblade

LOL

I do care, I care that they might try and rape me. I don't want that. so, yea.[/QUOTE/]

geee... when straight ppl find out their friend/friends isnt straight some of them go all "dont harras me!" and back away. why dont ppl think that way about their straight friends of the opposite gender? geeeee...stupid ppl 8D

i wouldn't call them stupid however they are not mature enough to comprehend that their friend is not the way they are which is where immature instinct takes over and in a way to defend themselves they say things such as those.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

Calling someone's thoughts stupid isn't a personal attack. The statement made was "if you don't have a reason to consider something immoral, it is stupid to consider it immoral". I happen to agree with that assessment.

There are tactful ways to say this within the realm of debate. "Your thoughts are stupid" just doesn't fly here. You say it's not a personal attack, but such a line could easily be taken that way. Hell, I would be okay with "that idea is stupid", but once you bring second-person pronouns into the mix, you stray onto shaky ground.

In fact when the statement is made by a non-moderator it imposes nothing on the person it was made to, whereas your statement is both a threat and a restriction.

With the leverage given to CT regulars regarding quoting rules to the less well-read users, I can't agree that it imposes nothing. To someone who's not familiar with CT, all the suggestions and RTFM statements that get thrown about makes it seem like y'all know what you're doing and should be listened to/respected.

I appreciate how y'all sometimes take care of my job for me in here; I really do. But one thing I don't want to see from regular users is "you can't be here". Not only do you not have the authority to pick and choose who visits this forum, I've had to "reverse" too many pseudomoderating decisions to entirely trust everyone's judgment.

Case in point with the pete thing: he falsely summarized a dozen posts in six words and then told a user that he wasn't welcome here, AFTER I had PMmed the user and encouraged him to rejoin the debate (in a more rules-abiding manner).

I don't want mixed signals getting thrown around when they shouldn't be. Again, please remind posters of the rules and please tactfully ask them to correct their ways. But also, PLEASE leave the de jure AND the de facto bannings to the moderators.

And, if you have any further questions, please PM me so that this can get back on topic.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ToshX]

Originally Posted by dekinaineko

geee... when straight ppl find out their friend/friends isnt straight some of them go all "dont harras me!" and back away. why dont ppl think that way about their straight friends of the opposite gender? geeeee...stupid ppl 8D

It's harder to find another gay person than another straight person to be with unless you know in advance that a person is gay. Even then, you may not know anyone who is AND is also someone you'd like.

Also, people DO sometimes worry their "friends" will rape them(a lot of girls, in fact, who suspect guys have a bad intention). Obviously it's not very common that a guy would worry about rape, but that's because it would require not only a gay guy or a guy who is willing to rape another guy(well, if someone wants to ruin a person enough, sexuality probably doesn't matter, as some people consider rape worse than death), it would require a person who is willing to, well, rape someone.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by ToshX

Obviously it's not very common that a guy would worry about rape, but that's because it would require not only a gay guy or a guy who is willing to rape another guy, it would require a person who is willing to, well, rape someone.

Um...females can absolutely rape males. This is one of those prejudices about gender and sexuality that has actually made life a lot harder for a lot of men. The same attitude that makes the -very- large number of men who are abused by their wife so hesitant to come forward and look weak has led to this idea that it is impossible for a man to be raped in a way that doesn't include sodomy.

[albaneenesk8r]

hmm this is a weird subject becuase i am bi sexual.

but homosexual marriage is not something bad at all

[OMGfat123]

I don't mind homosexuality at all. It's just when it becomes between you its a problem. I one was at the mall with my friend and i saw to gay couples but i mean i didn't mind it but when they started to make out in front of us thats when it gets to me as a problem. I don't like two men making out in front of me but i don't mind at all the homosexualites.

[ToshX]

I have to say, some women can be very, VERY abusive. In fact, even more than men can be from what I've seen(in terms of how abusive they are, not in terms of how many are abusive). I mean sorry if that sounds sexist, but that's what I've seen in my life.

Also, I think the large number of men who can't come forward is only to the fault of pressure by the society and stuff like that. A stereotypical man would be a "manly" guy driving a pickup truck and eating a dozen pounds of meat(rofl, yes, I'm being sarcastic). However, my point is that when a man feels sensitive about something, people often push it off as the guy being weak, as you said. So what do they do? They try to become less sensitive about things.

Of course hormones also do a bit in acting "manly", it certainly isn't all or it may not even majorly be society at all.

Also, I think, in general that will never change, unfortunately. And I don't think it'd even be possible for it to change unless we threw the stereotypes out the window to make new ones. Now this is possible by a majority, but some people will still think the same old stuff.

It's like how many races were once looked at as "bad" races to be born with, but now people are starting to be more tolerant and reasonable and accept anyone for whoever they are. But, that being said, there are also people who are even MORE racist than before, and it shows in everyday society until it gets to the point of being illegal(such as killing, putting up signs saying something about a race, etc.).

What I'm saying is that if we could make it this way about how men are viewed and how women are viewed, and we could come a little bit closer to men and women actually seeming similar instead of using these contrasting stereotypes to make them seem apart, things would be a lot more fair for BOTH groups.

I'm sure you know this, but BOTH groups have to put up with this crap. For example, as I(and you as well) said before, if men look sensitive, they look weak. But if women look sensitive, they seem attractive(to most people, at least). If women work out to the point of getting muscular, they might be viewed as less attractive by some people. If men DON'T work out and look like sticks, they may look less attractive by some people.

It's hurting both genders, and I hope that one day it will be changed for the better. More tolerance would be a wonderful thing in the world.

Originally Posted by albaneenesk8r

hmm this is a weird subject becuase i am bi sexual.

but homosexual marriage is not something bad at all

I agree with you, but please support why it's not bad.

Also, your sig is enormous <__< You probably shouldn't put a picture of that size in your sig.

Originally Posted by OMGfat123

I don't mind homosexuality at all. It's just when it becomes between you its a problem. I one was at the mall with my friend and i saw to gay couples but i mean i didn't mind it but when they started to make out in front of us thats when it gets to me as a problem. I don't like two men making out in front of me but i don't mind at all the homosexualites.

That's just a matter of tolerance, and that's fine. A lot of people don't like seeing straight couples make out when they are straight themselves.

I mean, hey, we can't stand EVERYTHING, but we can try.