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Capital punishment is a barbaric institution with absolutely no justification. This thread is littered with the already effectively countered cost arguments, and people claiming that if what a person does is "really really bad and they are a threat to society" that it is our obligation to kill that person on the basis that it will remove said threat to society and serve as a deterrant of violent crime.
First point: Killing someone does not deter crime, but merely institutionalizes it in the form of governmental practice. Killing someone does not remove the threat from society any more than does life in prison, which is--given statistics--a much more cost-effective option. Second Point: I want to start off by saying that these issues are not inherent with the death penalty per se, but rather problems that have developed as a result of its poor execution. Statistics imply massive problems with the death penalty in regard to its distribution based on race (statistics have already been given) and minorites are with disturbing frequency the brunt of this practice. The practice of capital punishment has become incredibly expensive through the process of appeals and maintenance of criminals during their time on death row. Tax payers money is being wasted on an institution that does not benefit society in ANY way, but only exists to satisfy the vengeful wishes of a victim's loved ones. Final statements: The death penalty simply cannot be justified as anything except a violent, brutal method of meeting a victim's family's desire for revenge. The emotions of loved ones is an empathizable story indeed, but not one that can legally or morally justify the eye for an eye philosophy that cannot exist in a truly equal society. |
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I do not approve of the death penalty. Why? While it may be "humane" (which I don't entirely approve of either), they fail to think of the consequences. I mean sure, that person may have killed 10-20 people (just using an example), but seriously. It doesn't give them the right to kill. In my opinion, Capitol Punishment should be ended and 'il'legalized.
I know quite a few people who have friends who have faced the Capitol Punishment. Luckily for me I live in Canada, one of the few places where Capitol Punishment is not believed in, nor legal.
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/ships our deathrow inmates to Canada :0
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All America's secret operations happens outside of the country for a reason.
They aren't really secret because we all know they use inhumane ways of torture on people the government doesn't like. ~Tsugomaru
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First of all, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, second of all at least within the past 50 years or so secret detainment and torture have occurred within the United States.
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If someone shoots someone, I say shoot them back. If someones life is taking, than equivalent exchange needs to take place. If Iraq kills 1000 of our people, we will kill 1000 of their people. President Bush, being smart, will kill all of the terrorists that live in Iraq. Still, I support. [SORRY DOUBLE POSTED!]
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[/quote]On the other hand, as many as 10% of all deathrow inmates are innocent, I heard that on A&E.
What's your take on it?[/quote] Even if they are guilty, it's still not right because you're stooping down to that death row inmate's level of homicide (supposing that's why he/she's there). The death penalty is murder and should therefore be illegal.
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Let us see if this works.
First, it is agreed by one and all that the sanctity of life is paramount and must be protected above all else. In order to protect life a systematic codification of laws, consequences and exceptions has been instituted. As part of legal consequences to be considered, the death penalty is included. Secondly, the death penalty is just that: a penalty. It is supposed to be meted out, not by vengeful relations, but by a dispassionate legal system. Therefore it is not a person getting revenge but a systematic judgement of one's actions and the consequences for those actions. Third, the justice system has a comprehensive system of checks and balances designed to protect the individual's rights to a fair trial such that, in the end, it could be said that the criminal had a chance to plead his case. It is possible that if all the conditions were properly and adequately met, then very few people would argue that the death penalty was unjust. The problem is not with the penalty itself, but with the inadequacies of the legal system. There only needs to be one false conviction, one misstep, and the fear of further errors freezes the confidence the society has in the justice system and in the fairness of a death penalty conviction and that is the real issue facing our society. The death penalty is a fair and proper consequence for inappropriate actions if it is available at the time of the crime. It is not a matter of stooping down to any level but standing up to what is wrong. If the perpetrator commits a crime, then he must be subject to the consequences for that crime and we as a society must declare our support for law and order by supporting the punishment for that crime. |
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As if one "The Death Penalty" thread wasn't enough for eager exhibitionists to exercise their pseudo-intellectual knowledge on topics as inflexible and controversial as this. And shame on me for posting in the previous thread as well as this one. Using Guidohunter's fine analogy, this topic is simply a meaningless tier of consecutive arguments. One person suggests red and others presents it as green to which subsequent posts babbles about the exact tonalities of the green with full loads of purple proses and pedantic observations. It's all too common with the conventional bravado and psychodrama of individuals who enjoys presenting themselves as "intelligent" on, ironically, a gaming site.
Take it any way you will. I feel shamed to have been a participant in this thing called "Critical Thinking". |
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The proper course of action in this thread would be to have reported it for being a bump of the older and less posted in thread, instead of the one which was the proud winner of the 2008 forum awards best thread of the year. |
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