Homosexual Marriage

[sgkoneko]

Originally Posted by Dc-xBluex

Personally, i wouldnt want gay marriages to be legal. Its bad enough that small children may see a couple of the same sex,and perhaps are confused as to the whole thing, triggering some sort of curiosity. I've nothing against gay people, theyre all people. I just think it opens the door to youth exploration which i believe is totally uncalled for.

!? WHAT!? Curiosity isn't allowed? Well if you think kids are confused by that, then maybe they shouldn't be shown religion until a certain age as well. Let's take away things that might influence our children and forever bias their opinions. Gee that leaves a whole lot legal[/sarcasm]. There are plenty of kids who grow up from families with two mothers or two fathers who aren't gay. I have a friend who has a lot of gay cousins and uncles and has 2 aunts, but is he gay? No.

And who cares if they explore? That doesn't mean they will be gay. They might try it and not like it. The same stuff happens in college, who cares if it happens earlier?

[WeissPraline]

I agree with my good friend SG on this one.

You guys really need to get over yourselves.

Let's see...

'My religion says it's wrong.'

If you mean it says that in the bible, it also says NOT to sleep in the same bed as a women who is on their period, AND to respect your parents. I think you all broke those two at one point and time, don't you?

PS- Jesus accepted EVERYONE for how they were. He didn't hate people for how they acted. I'm pretty sure he knew Judas would betray him, yet, he didn't oppress him...and I'm pretty sure betraying the son of 'God allmighty' is a LOT worse than having sex with someone of the same sex.

'It's unnatural.'

A lot of things are. Surgery is 'unnatural', if you think about it. Cutting into the human body to make your FACE look how you WANT it is far from natural. Even if it's for medical needs, it's something we created over time, not something we were born with.

'It'll force the population to go down.'

That's rich. Go talk to the population of China and India, then talk to me.

'It'll make children curious.'
...So? Kids will be kids. They'll try a LOT of things. When I was a kid, I loved Final Fantasy, Harry Potter, and other magical things. Does that mean I run around putting hexes on people? No. Meant I was interested in it. Big differance.

The law that says Gays can't marry and can't be in the army need to be GONE. They deserve the same rights as everyone else- they can't help how they were born. If you discriminate against gay people, you might as well just discriminate against people for their skin color, gender, or tease them because of a disability- all the same, you're making fun of, or discriminating them, for how they were BORN. Don't tell me 'Being gay is a choice'. Maybe being Bisexual, but not being gay. Why would someone CHOOSE to be gay with all the crap they go through? One of my friends at school got beat up because he was gay. Why would he choose to be gay if he gets made fun of all the time, AND gets beat up?

Doesn't make sense to me.

[devonin]

Well...anyone lodging the objections as you quoted them is failing to take part in this forum appropriately, and saying "Yeah, well...that opinion is stupid, get over it" isn't really the best way to try and win over anyone who disagrees with your point, especially if they provide (Though granted not many here have) good reasons why they are against it.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by WeissPraline

'My religion says it's wrong.'

Who's said that here?

The law that says Gays can't marry

What law is that?

and can't be in the army need to be GONE.

They can be in the army.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[sgkoneko]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Who's said that here?



What law is that?



They can be in the army.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Oh yes. Quite the freedom they have. They can't say they're gay and be in the army. That seems VERY fair.

[WeissPraline]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Who's said that here?



What law is that?



They can be in the army.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

They banned gay marriage in the US; wouldn't that be considered a law?

And as for 'Not joining the army', that was my mistake. I'm refering to 'Don't ask, Don't tell'- it says as long as gays don't admit they're gay, they can serve in the army, which is wrong, if you ask me. They should be able to server regardless of sexual orrientation.

As for the quotes, no one said those in this topic; I read the topic, and uses quotes most people use to say homosexuality is wrong, to try to disprove them. That was my mistake as well for not clarfying what I meant.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Just a quick comment. Have you guys heard the don't ask don't tell law about the army? As long as gay or bisexual men and women in the military hide their sexual orientation, commanders are not allowed to investigate their sexuality. Gay and bisexual men and women simply can't tell people what their sexual orientation is. Aside from that, gays and bisexuals are allowed in the military. (not to say that I agree with this at all) I understand if Wiess Praline had just addressed his mistake, but I was posting to his earlier comment.

[~Brooke~]

I personally tihnk this is discussting. =?

[Master_of_the_Faster]

What do you mean by "this"?

[sgkoneko]

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

Just a quick comment. Have you guys heard the don't ask don't tell law about the army? As long as gay or bisexual men and women in the military hide their sexual orientation, commanders are not allowed to investigate their sexuality. Gay and bisexual men and women simply can't tell people what their sexual orientation is. Aside from that, gays and bisexuals are allowed in the military. (not to say that I agree with this at all) I understand if Wiess Praline had just addressed his mistake, but I was posting to his earlier comment.

Haven't you heard of pride? Isn't that what the army is supposed to have for their country? Shouldn't the same be allowed for the people IN the army? Yes they are allowed in, but that is on the basis that the army is assuming everyone is straight unless proven otherwise. They aren't allowing gays in. They are allowing what they assume are straight people in. It's unfair. They should be allowed to express themselves and be who they are. The military is shorthanded anyways, most people don't want to join, and they are being idiots and excluding a group of people that actually WANTS to join based on their sexuality. It's wrong and the law should be repealed.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by WeissPraline

They banned gay marriage in the US; wouldn't that be considered a law?

Who's "they"? And provide me with a source on this one.

They should be able to server regardless of sexual orrientation

Why? I'd rather see the army run as well as it can be. If the commanders see a legitimate problem with gay people being in the military, I don't want to have a less effective fighting force for the sake of being nice. Soldiers sacrifice constitutional rights when they enlist, anyway.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[sgkoneko]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Who's "they"? And provide me with a source on this one.



Why? I'd rather see the army run as well as it can be. If the commanders see a legitimate problem with gay people being in the military, I don't want to have a less effective fighting force for the sake of being nice. Soldiers sacrifice constitutional rights when they enlist, anyway.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Yes they do sacrifice rights, A LOT OF THEM. But where the hell do you get that gay people would make the army less efficient? A man got kicked out who was one of the few arabic translators they had for being gay. Did he ever fling himself onto the other men in his unit? No. He did his job the way he was supposed to and better than most, but because of his sexuality he was kicked out. That is stupid. That is not efficiency. You cannot tell me that if someone does a job better than someone else, but the army doesn't like them because they're gay, that better person should be kicked out.

[WeissPraline]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Who's "they"? And provide me with a source on this one.



Why? I'd rather see the army run as well as it can be. If the commanders see a legitimate problem with gay people being in the military, I don't want to have a less effective fighting force for the sake of being nice. Soldiers sacrifice constitutional rights when they enlist, anyway.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

"They" would be the United States Government.

And they give up rights, but it never SAYS in the consitutition you can't be gay, does it?

[Shadowlessheart]

Everyone has their own view on it, my girlfriend from the south thinks it's totally wrong, i however think it's fine.

I believe we're all entitled as says our Decleration of Indpen. the right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if they're happy together why can't they persue that with marrige, is it so wrong...

I don't know, the bible says this and that, and congress says this and that, and others say this and that, honestly it's their choice, it's not like two people of the same sex getting married effects me...even if it did it'd be something minor like they bought the house I wanted or something stupid like that.

And also note that being gay ain't a disease so being near someone who is gay ain't gonna make you become gay, though it may partly influence it...though I don't see how...and at the same time I can. I believe everyone should just let others be and do as they please...with in reason.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by WeissPraline

"They" would be the United States Government.

Give. Me. A. Source.

Originally Posted by sgkoneko

Yes they do sacrifice rights, A LOT OF THEM. But where the hell do you get that gay people would make the army less efficient? A man got kicked out who was one of the few arabic translators they had for being gay. Did he ever fling himself onto the other men in his unit? No. He did his job the way he was supposed to and better than most, but because of his sexuality he was kicked out. That is stupid. That is not efficiency. You cannot tell me that if someone does a job better than someone else, but the army doesn't like them because they're gay, that better person should be kicked out.

Do I look like a high-ranking military official? I do believe I said, "If the commanders see a legitimate problem with gay people being in the military..."

Clearly someone saw a problem with it at some point in the past. Maybe there's still a good reason to keep them out today. I don't know, but if there is a problem, I see absolutely no reason to eliminate that problem.

Note: nor do you know that there isn't a problem.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Originally Posted by sgkoneko

Haven't you heard of pride? Isn't that what the army is supposed to have for their country? Shouldn't the same be allowed for the people IN the army? Yes they are allowed in, but that is on the basis that the army is assuming everyone is straight unless proven otherwise. They aren't allowing gays in. They are allowing what they assume are straight people in. It's unfair. They should be allowed to express themselves and be who they are. The military is shorthanded anyways, most people don't want to join, and they are being idiots and excluding a group of people that actually WANTS to join based on their sexuality. It's wrong and the law should be repealed.

Dude... did you read this part "(not to say that I agree with this at all)"?
I am completely for gay marriages. I just wanted to say that gays and bisexuals can be in the army (misprove WiessPraline's false accusation), but under the circumstances of the don't ask don't tell law.

[sgkoneko]

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

Dude... did you read this part "(not to say that I agree with this at all)"?
I am completely for gay marriages. I just wanted to say that gays and bisexuals can be in the army (misprove WiessPraline's false accusation), but under the circumstances of the don't ask don't tell law.

And I was telling you why what Wiess meant wasn't wrong. They can't be in the military unless they hide themselves and basically pretend to be someone they aren't. I said gays aren't allowed, presumed straight men and women are. There is a difference. If they hide themselves they can join, but that's not being allowed in, that's not acceptance, thus they aren't really allowed to join.

That is all I'm saying. I am not trying to attack you. I can't be positive what you believe in unless you say it like you just did. I am just stating that it isn't really being able to join if you have to hide your true self.

[JonoSasson]

I'm gay myself, and I'm not from the US. Australia has also banned gay marriage, not too sure about the gays enlisting though. To tell you the truth, the marriage thing doesn't bother me. I'm not a spiritual man myself so the bible means nothing to me. I think there are some aspects to the bible that we can undertake, but others are just plain outrageous. Remember how long ago this was written!

I don't know why marriages can only be had under the eyes of god. Whether you're Christian, Jewish, Agnostic, Muslim or whatever, I think if you truly love a person, then it should not be up to a religious representative to do the ceremony. Sure, if you think that's what's right then by all means you should, but if you don't then why be constricted by it? I've been with my boyfriend for 3 years and if marriage was ever going to be on the agenda, I wouldn't need approval from a priest or whoever (although there are priests out there that do do it) to say I am bound to this person forever.

I'm not out to seek approval from anyone. I believe what I want to believe and I love whoever I want to love. I don't know if what I'm saying speaks for other gays whether they be man or woman, but this is how I am. My friends love me for who I am, and I they're the best I have. Frankly, if I listened to every single 'gay headline' both here in Australia AND the US then I probably wouldn't be here now saying what I'm saying. Whether you approve of gays or not, that's up to you, but we are a part of life. Saying we don't, or shouldn't exist in my opinion is wrong, but saying so doesn't make it true and it never will.

Jono

[ToshX]

Yahoo! News did a report on why people end up gay(or straight) proving that it isn't entirely genetic, but also has a lot to do with the environment as well. It's quite an interesting set of videos, and I recommend people to watch all of them all the way through(it isn't boring, I promise).

So really, if the environment affects it, then for all we know, sexuality could also be something we're influenced into deciding, something we don't naturally have decided for us in the first place.

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by ToshX

stuff.

Sorry to say, nothing there is particularly conclusive or enlightening.