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Here's what I think.
If someone does something that affects no other people in any way and does not physically endanger themselves, it should be legal, period, no matter what the hell it is. I don't care if you think it's "morally repugnant". Morals, as far as I'm concerned, are only relevant when other people are involved. Trying to dictate legally what someone else's entirely personal morals should be is, in my opinion, 100% wrong and itself more morally repugnant than anything said person could be doing with themselves, regardless of what they're actually doing. It is NOT up to you or anyone what someone does with themselves if it's not affecting anyone else. So, as far as I'm concerned, the only possible argument against the legality of loli is that it might affect other people. However, this is such a vague, indirect connection (person looking at loli *might* be more disposed toward CP, and therefore *might* take it upon themselves to get real CP, which minorly helps promote CP, which *probably* negatively affects the child/children being portrayed) that I don't think it can honestly be used as the basis for any argument against it unless there is evidence of a very strong link between looking at loli and buying CP, which I highly doubt there is. So yeah, I see no reason whatsoever why loli shouldn't be completely legal.
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Personally, I don't really care if people watch it, as long as no law is passed that forces me to watch it. I don't even mind seeing it and ignoring it, even though I don't like it. I mean really, you don't have to like something to consider it morally fine. |
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I just realized I never really did say whether I think lolicon is alright. I agree 100% with Shash.
For anyone who thinks loli is wrong, yet thinks that depictions of rape is alright, I don't understand you, because I agree with Shash and what Kilroy have said, that you can't say what someone else does purely in their mind is wrong. And I use rape, in general, as a comparison because I see the moral issue with rape and cp is that both are not consensual. I mean, you're allowed to have an opinion on what's disgusting, but you definitely shouldn't base laws on it. Furthermore, keep in mind that people really have very little control over what turns them on; it's not a conscious decision to become aroused by loli or rape or breasts. As to Nezeru's most recent comment, that's all fine and dandy, but you really have no way of knowing whether someone who created something meant it for pleasure or not, or if someone gets pleasure from looking at it, if they choose to not say anything about it. In terms of legality, it'd be almost impossible to control, even aside that I think it's alright to become aroused by them anyways. When I look at the issue from a step back even, it seems sooooo backwards to say that getting even MORE pleasure from looking at art than 'oh, that's pretty', is wrong. Art is meant to be enjoyed! Maybe it's just me, but inseparable to ALL sex is that it's naughty. That's part of the turn on, it's like, THE THING about sex that makes it sex. People just have different limits with what's a turn-on, disgusting, or 'meh'. Also, I'm sure some people out there would be scandalized that a 12 year old is taking part in the conversation; they're too young to be hearing about this (sarcasm)Aside: I'm sorry Kilroy, but I've never read any Neitzsche, although I suspect I'd enjoy it, so if I've supported/not supported him, it's not on purpose. I'm terribly unread in anything involving political science or philosophy; I should rectify that, I know. Last edited by Cavernio; 05-12-2007 at 08:29 AM.. |
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I'm pretty sure I was asked an opinion on the subject. Shash shares my opinion therefore he saved me time by typing it first.
I agree with Shash's post in that lolicon has no direct connection to the harming of anyone, and what you do behind closed doors is your choice. Edit: Posting what you just did in here instead of pm'ing me didn't contribute to the topic either. Last edited by Magic_V2; 05-12-2007 at 12:22 PM.. |
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Honestly, just like everything else in the world, If its in the wrong hands, it can be bad.
Saying its horrible in all hands would be stereotyping the whole human race, saying that everyone thinks the same. I don't mind seeing it in the hands of someone like Tosh, or Shash or others in here. That doesn't mean it should be completely Legal. Just like all pornography there is an 18 or older law (That no one pays attention to). But I agree with the fact that Sexual offenders should be watched more carefully. Like Dwight Whorley. Now he just looks like a rapist.
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I was actually just thinking out loud. The comparison was between myself and Nietzsche, not you and Nietzsche.
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What I believe some people aren't getting is the difference between causation and correlation.
Pertaining to this argument, causation states that someone that enjoys loli will become more and more attracted and turned on by CP, hence the heavy correlation between the two. Correlation means that if someone is already attracted to CP, they will also find loli to be just as appealing. As Kilga said, there could also be the opposite of causation occurring, where people are less and less turned on by CP as they continue to... enjoy loli. I'm kind of in a hurry, and I don't have time to proofread or anything, but that's my two cents. PS. yes I do find loli attractive, it is primal instinct for humans to be attracted to the youngest possible childbearers (to a certain extent), as they are most likely to bring up successful children. Disprove me if I'm wrong, I'm just going off of what I heard from a few places. |
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It's no more real then the hookers I shoot with my shotgun in Grand Theft Auto 3. So far, I haven't killed any hookers in real life. Yet.
Peach Princess, a hentai game maker, got their foot in this recently. They released a game and advertised it as "100% Uncensored". Turns out they deleted some Lolicon. And then lied about it. And then admitted it, but claimed they had no choice. http://www.petitiononline.com/ppcensor/petition.html And with the case of ACTUAL offenders, I'd rather they have their outlet without putting actual children at risk. |
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Yes, she definitely looks 21, no doubt about it. In fact, I think that is low-balling it. She's thirty easy....
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I believe if there was some kind of vote on it then it would become illegal. But there is no way to regulate that, and it would still happen just as often as if it was legal. Like when alchohol was illegal way back when. Everyone is still going to do it. Just illegally.
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^ You must have missed the drawing of the TOTALLY LEGAL AND OVER 21 naked girl the user above me had posted.
Their post has since been deleted.
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Yeah, I got the direct picture of it as well as a picture of the post while it was on FFR.
They happened to post it when I was with my parents, ROFL. Not a lovely thing to see around then. |
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And yet people are arguing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, that it ought to be legal, and available for anyone, and the post was deleted, and people were horrified to have that image come up on their screen, especially around other people...
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edit: she was OBVIOUSLY 21 though, so it's plenty legal >.> *sarcasm off* |
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