Homosexual Marriage

[eldrad]

i bialive that bieng gay is wroung it goes against how man was orignally made it is unnatrul it comes from mans sinful nature that overcoimes them with lust for what is not good the book of romans says (is reson god gave them up to vile passions for evan there women exchanged the natrul use for what is agaisint nature like wise also the men leavinng the natrual use of the women burned in thier lust for one another men with men commiting what is shameful and receiving in them selves the penilty of thier errior which was due And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;being filled with with all unrighiosness sexual imoraillity wickedness covetness malliosciosness full of envy murder and strife

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by eldrad

i bialive that bieng gay is wroung it goes against how man was orignally made it is unnatrul it comes from mans sinful nature that overcoimes them with lust for what is not good the book of romans says (is reson god gave them up to vile passions for evan there women exchanged the natrul use for what is agaisint nature like wise also the men leavinng the natrual use of the women burned in thier lust for one another men with men commiting what is shameful and receiving in them selves the penilty of thier errior which was due And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;being filled with with all unrighiosness sexual imoraillity wickedness covetness malliosciosness full of envy murder and strife

1) Learn to type/spell.
2) Present an actual arguement or GTFO CT.

Bible nonsense doesn't belong in CT, now that I think about it. Or at least in this thread.

[ToshX]

i bialive that bieng gay is wroung it goes against how man was orignally made it is unnatrul it comes from mans sinful nature that overcoimes them with lust for what is not good

So tell me, Eldrad.

What makes it "not good"? Besides the bible, what makes it "evil"? I'm an atheist, so I'd like to hear one good reason why I should "change". Something based on a religion I don't even believe in is not going to change my mind.

[Kamunt]

Originally Posted by eldrad

i bialive that bieng gay is wroung it goes against how man was orignally made it is unnatrul it comes from mans sinful nature that overcoimes them with lust for what is not good the book of romans says (is reson god gave them up to vile passions for evan there women exchanged the natrul use for what is agaisint nature like wise also the men leavinng the natrual use of the women burned in thier lust for one another men with men commiting what is shameful and receiving in them selves the penilty of thier errior which was due And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;being filled with with all unrighiosness sexual imoraillity wickedness covetness malliosciosness full of envy murder and strife

Reading your post, it was like trying to decipher a drunken Faulkner: all the lack of punctuation and capitalization with no sensicalness and a nearly infinite number of misspelled words. It also literally impossible to figure out what you were trying to say later in your paragraph, Benjy--that's how bad your spelling and other conventions were. Asian students just beginning to learn English speak it better than you: at least they spell the words correctly.

Since I'm pretty sure your post had something to do with the Holy Bible:

Originally Posted by psychopete

2) Present an actual arguement or GTFO CT.

Bible nonsense doesn't belong in CT, now that I think about it. Or at least in this thread.

[Bionikk7]

Originally Posted by ToshX

So tell me, Eldrad.

What makes it "not good"? Besides the bible, what makes it "evil"? I'm an atheist, so I'd like to hear one good reason why I should "change". Something based on a religion I don't even believe in is not going to change my mind.

ok so u guys want a reason that doesnt relate to the bible. I'll give you one but im not sure you'll accept it. If your gay, then you cant reproduce. Thus, the human population will go down, and eventually we'll all die out.Sure it'll probably take a long time, but hey? If we keep doing it, it will happen....eventually

[Kilroy_x]

That doesn't hold up because in order for it to hold homosexuality would have to be capable of being universal, almost definitionally homosexuality is incapable of being universal. Your formulation also makes it immoral not to breed, which encounters problems quantitatively and qualitatively.

For instance, under your formulation interpreted literally, as long as every human being joins a couple and produces 1 child they're being moral, but that leads to a decline in population as well. If every couple produces 2 children they maintain population and that's acceptable under a stricter version of your formulation. Basically, you would be making it a crime not to do something and not to do it to a certain degree, which would be silly. How can something be a crime if it's an inaction which has no results?

[frankiesmithra24]

I'm open about gay marriage because I've had friends come up to me and ask me if it was a good thing to get married. It doesn't bother me because I've learned to live with any thing that happens. I've been teased just like everyone else in this world, except my problem is a lot different than this.

[angelofthedead]

why should the goverment try to control who marries who? Love is love, no matter who the people are.

[Kamunt]

Originally Posted by Bionikk7

ok so u guys want a reason that doesnt relate to the bible. I'll give you one but im not sure you'll accept it. If your gay, then you cant reproduce. Thus, the human population will go down, and eventually we'll all die out.Sure it'll probably take a long time, but hey? If we keep doing it, it will happen....eventually

Surely you're not implying that it's possible for every human being in the world to become homosexual? Because that would be ridunkulous. Even if the entire population DID somehow become homosexual, as long as humans are humans, people are going to hate homosexuals, and that'd be reason enough for a good 50% of the total human population to not partake in homosexual activities.

That being said, of course, I don't think that it would be a completely bad thing for the entire world to turn gay for a couple years or so to work on bringing down the world's entire population as a whole (CHINA AND INDIA, I'm-a talkin' to you). Sure, males could still donate their sperm to sperm banks and females could still get sperm from sperm banks...but think about how much effort that would take, and how unwilling we all are to actually put in that much effort, and then you'll see how the population explosion will begin to die down.

[DonovanKado]

Hrm, I'd think it would be nice and all for gay marriage to be a possibility but the U.S. is just not ready for it. You have hate groups that are armed such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Neo-Nazi's and such that will oppose the ratification of this sort of thing. Think of it from this stand point, as the leader of a country which is well....run by ultra fascist and Christians your given two choices, ratify the hosting of gay marriages and run the risk of possible mass violence everywhere in the U.S. that could possibly lead to a civil war...or you play it safe and wait for future generations to come and who could handle such a thing. It may not sound very..well, intelligent to think like I am but it is a very realistic outcome from this sort of thing. Eh, that's all...I might be wrong..who knows?

[Sh4d0wRe4p3r666]

Originally Posted by angelofthedead

why should the goverment try to control who marries who? Love is love, no matter who the people are.

You got a point there, the government shouldn't control people to marry who.

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by DonovanKado

You have hate groups that are armed such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Neo-Nazi's and such that will oppose the ratification of this sort of thing.

I would hope these groups lack political influence precisely because of their base and extreme nature, but irrespective of this I see no reason to defer to them in any regard.

Think of it from this stand point, as the leader of a country which is well....run by ultra fascist and Christians your given two choices, ratify the hosting of gay marriages and run the risk of possible mass violence everywhere in the U.S. that could possibly lead to a civil war...or you play it safe and wait for future generations to come and who could handle such a thing. It may not sound very..well, intelligent to think like I am but it is a very realistic outcome from this sort of thing. Eh, that's all...I might be wrong..who knows?

The history of the Civil rights movement in this country shows that violence has taken place, and on extreme levels, but that it hasn't ever lead to or resembled civil war. Even when the Black Panthers were clammoring for a seperate state, violence was always directed mostly inwards towards the oppressed group. Sometimes they pushed back, sometimes city-wide riots took place, but there was never wholesale, lasting chaos as a result of a civil rights movement. Ultimately the people who fight for their cause end up paying the greatest part of the price of change themselves.

[slipstrike0159]

He brings up a good point though. Even if the outcome might not be as extreme as say a civil war, it could still spur up many MORE hate crimes. Even if it were ratified and violence didnt take place, it would take a LONG time for a lot of the population to accept married gay couples. Discrimination takes place today and you are lying to yourself if you think otherwise, this act could increase the discrimination towards the gay community as a whole (even if it isnt in constitutionally protected places like in the workforce).

Its definitely something to consider.

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by slipstrike0159

He brings up a good point though. Even if the outcome might not be as extreme as say a civil war, it could still spur up many MORE hate crimes. Even if it were ratified and violence didnt take place, it would take a LONG time for a lot of the population to accept married gay couples. Discrimination takes place today and you are lying to yourself if you think otherwise, this act could increase the discrimination towards the gay community as a whole (even if it isnt in constitutionally protected places like in the workforce).

Its definitely something to consider.

I'm not sure what the opinions of Joe Public should matter to any one person, but outside of that I'm not sure how turning a blind eye to discrimination is supposed to be better or more humane than trying to get rid of it.

Or as bluntly as I can put it: "Good enough" really ****ing isn't.

[DonovanKado]

Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

I'm not sure what the opinions of Joe Public should matter to any one person, but outside of that I'm not sure how turning a blind eye to discrimination is supposed to be better or more humane than trying to get rid of it.

Or as bluntly as I can put it: "Good enough" really ****ing isn't.

The opinions of other people WILL always matter to any human being. Even if you try to deny it, what others say will get to you in some way. Also, human beings must lie to themselves about their true nature, so turning a blind eye to discrimination is our way of denying our responsibility for it. Anyways...>> I'm ranting now, later.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

To the guy who said "When I get married under the eyes of God I'll be married. Signing papers is a mere formality" ... you are CRAZY. U bow before human religions. You will believe ANYTHING THESE PATHETIC HUMANS WRITE IN BIBLES. Only controversy is made in religion. How does man even know there is one god?! THEY DON'T U RETARDS!!!! They just became born and decided one day to Create these gods. WELL I for one won't let there be a ban on gay marriage just because PEOPLE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. I HATE ALL RELIGIONS PERIOD! Atleast until one stops jumping to conclusions and values that gods can be in any value, any look, and have his/her/ it's own feelings on our actions or sins. I believe in Chances and Probability in religion (something I like to call LOGIC!!!)... and until a god comes in my face with extreme supernatural power, I won't listen to any sins of humanity.

[dadadurr]

i really don't see anything wrong with homosexual marriage; if people want to do that and they think it's absolutely necessary to get married to exhibit their love (which it isn't... lmfao) then i'm cool with that

also:

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

To the guy who said "When I get married under the eyes of God I'll be married. Signing papers is a mere formality" ... you are CRAZY. U bow before human religions. You will believe ANYTHING THESE PATHETIC HUMANS WRITE IN BIBLES.

Uh, way to make a swift assumption about guido; I'm pretty sure he doesn't take the bible literally, just lives a logical lifestyle with religion somewhat tied into it (not sure though).

[Master_of_the_Faster]

I am sorry about trying to suppress this idea, but I can't keep it in. I am sorry about releasing this negative view from my sadist: (I am sorry... very sorry... but i have two sides and you guys are only seeing my negative after this): With gay people marrying, no one has any problems afterwards except churches with religions that jump to conclusions about what a human being should or should not do which humans believe is the job of a being (gods) we do not even know if it truely exists. I am sorry, but I think that being gay is just absolutely wrong for myself, but I will not deny others gay marriage because I feel right to myself in a different way. Look on the bright side, as many have stated, guys get more women if gay people just live with gay people. If less humans are made than so be it. We do not need any more Hitlers to be born from heterosexuals, anymore soldiers to fight unnecessary wars like in Iraq, gay men or lesbians lying to people who are straight about being straight just for the public, or for the world to be too populated.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

Tripe.

You SERIOUSLY need to quit your antireligion rants here. Post in a topical manner (and with good grammar, may I remind you) or don't post at all.

I've already told you that this isn't a rant forum (let alone an ignorant rant forum; read the rest of the thread and you'll see how many of your concerns were addressed), so consider this your final warning.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ToshX]

Originally Posted by Bionikk7

ok so u guys want a reason that doesnt relate to the bible. I'll give you one but im not sure you'll accept it. If your gay, then you cant reproduce. Thus, the human population will go down, and eventually we'll all die out.Sure it'll probably take a long time, but hey? If we keep doing it, it will happen....eventually

Okay, what if I don't want kids?

To be honest, I really do think I don't want them.

Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

How can something be a crime if it's an inaction which has no results?

Oh, how I just love feeding you "exceptions" to your statements :P No offense.

There are many things that could qualify as a crime just for an inaction, and all inactions have results. If you do not have kids, you are, as another person said, affecting the population, even if it's a really small amount. They could pass a law, although they probably never will, that you MUST have kids if you are medically able to within 10 years of marriage if you do not already have kids. This is just like if you just sit around in your car at a green light. If you just sit around all day and never move your car, you can be fined for not taking action and not moving, thus interrupting others in their process of getting from one place to another. This can be related to having kids in that if a considerable amount of people were to be homosexual and a consider amount didn't have kids, it could affect the population. Even a number as small as 1% changes a lot because if 1% of the population is just gone one year, well, 1% of everything is changed, whether it be bread purchased or water used. That's millions of dollars that aren't being spent any longer(or at least aren't being spent on the same things).

I know that argument is a little far-fetched, but it IS possible and even a bit valid for them to make a law such as "you must have children within 10 years or marriage unless you are unable to do so" or something along those lines. At least, it's as valid as saying "you must drive your car up the lane if you are able to do so unless you park to the side of the road."