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The point is that it introduces new genes to the system, the genes belonging to the animal the organ was taken from.
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I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds. |
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I will be honest I only read the first page and a couple of this pages....
For the person who said that all females should be on a pill and all males should be wear a condom........ Do I hear Genocide?...........Also who is going to pay for that? The government? lol I can't beleive some people said that it a female got raped that its their "problem" to deal with it. Also to the people who are trying to fight that a fetus will have a "right" that just makes me laugh. What rights do the kids have that ARE BORN when they get put into adoption agencies? What rights do you under the age of 18 years old in United States have with out an adult consent? If you can't answer that question........its none. If a female decides that she made a bad decision or it wasn't her decision at all in the first place she has every right to do what she wants to do. Until you actually have the first or sometimes second hand experience you have no right to tell a pregnant female what she has to do. Its the same as saying we should kill all prisoners that have a sentence over 30 years. Well have you ever been to prison? I am not saying that it is or is not a good idea I am giving out an example. Over all, for those who want to press their beliefs on people and won't take no for an answer..........Keep it to yourself because no one cares about your religous babble or fetus "rights". |
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My point: Just because it COULD develop into something great doesn't mean it WILL. As far as I'm concerned, it's equally likely that the unborn fetus could be a Mother Theresa as it could be a Hitler. Thus, arguments on the basis of "Well it could develop into something great" are much less relevant than one would think, as it is equally likely that "It could develop into something the world was better off without." That was just for verification; I'm going to take my leave from posting in this thread now (unless someone else interprets my wording in a way I did not intend). There are people more passionate about this topic than me, so I would probably only cause more problems if I posted more points. Good luck with the debate ![]() |
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I am above the age of 18, and have you noticed that most "accidental" murders caused by children under the age of 18 get a slap on the wrist? Your parental guidance is legally accountable for anything an American Child under the age of 18 does. That is why any school can be sued if a child hurts another child. Any crime commited before 18 years old is wiped off your police record once you hit 18. Then you have to sign up for the draft and so on......... Thats why most adults will tell a child to have fun now before its too late. But I can certainly tell you are under the age of a mature adult and with reasoning like what you stated is pathetic. I can't beleive you brought up the canadian government's health care "system". How much actual research have you done about that subject and refresh my memory on what the difference between the US population and Canandian population is? and loses all access to human rights. Which they do........ extends to fetuses to say that they aren't human when were they? pressing your beliefs on people and won't take no for an answer right? I am counter balancing the arguement and not "pushing" anyone to beleive me Last edited by xWnLx Crisco; 05-3-2007 at 09:50 PM.. |
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I was stating the actual WRITTEN law of course there is always times where they can be trialed as an adult but the Jury must decide if that is the childs fate. They are not automatically accused as an adult. Most trials aren't held for many months any way so if he commited the crime when he was 17 and was 18 by the time the court date was then he could be accused as an adult. |
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This is a pretty clear-cut case, to me, of you stating authoritativly that you are correct, and they are incorrect in a tone that very strongly suggests that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Thus: You are refusing to take no for an answer, by saying "If your answer is no, nobody cares, don't say so" |
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So you're saying it changes your genetic material? Do you start growing pig ears? Does your eye color change, does anything about you change? No. If you get an organ transplant from another human, you don't become them. It's just tissue. It does nothing to alter YOUR genetics.
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. ![]() Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually." |
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Isn't Lamarckism fun for the whole family?
At least...if it was fun for your parents it will be fun for you. |
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Is it just me, or is xWnLx Crisco just spewing a whole bunch of nothin'. Sorry, but if you can't spell believe, this forum isn't for you.
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Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way. |
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Perhaps the main reason I'm so irritated at the creation of this topic is the fact that it's so base and nonspecific. If it was more focused perhaps we'd get some more original replies, and we'd likely get out of the loopholes we argue back and forth about. Don't get me wrong, fair debate is a wonderful thing. It's just that when we're either not on the same page or arguing by taking arbitrary points of view as fact, we're not bringing anything to the debate. Sound reasonable, stretchy? If I were allowed to, I'd recreate an abortion thread, this time outlining the political climates within the US and Canada (since the users posting in this thread seem to be from either country) and their differences, displaying the basic principles of different schools of thought, and allowing the ends open to discussion. This gets rid of petty arguments arising from misinterpretation and also stops unnecessary repetitiveness. EDIT: There's an idea for Tass's sticky. The obvious thing that should be included as a rule is focused discussion, instead of "post your thoughts on life n' stuff".
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. ![]() Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually." Last edited by OrganisM; 05-4-2007 at 05:23 AM.. |
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Okay, so I went to my philosophy professor today to review what we went over in class and I completely misremembered what we went over.
I was wrong, it is established scientifically that once a sperm and an egg joined you have a human being. The catch is that, under the eyes of the law, the status of human being is irrelevant, as the law protects persons, not human beings, and the two are not mutually inclusive. The question of human being status is one of science, but the question of person status is one of philosophy, and that is why there is so much debate. Sorry for the confusion. As such, I believe the government should not stop abortion until they can come up with a universally accepted definition of "person" and draw the line from there.
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I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds. |
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Yeh nice reasoning....... Well if Human state and person is different then I will say that they are a person when they come out of the mother at time of birth. So therefore she could abort anytime before actual birth and in my eyes would not be "murder". |
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The biggest problem I see with defining 'person' is its rediculous relativity to the situation. Im sure the government has defined this word over and over again, however due to the vast moral scenarios that keep popping up, the term needs to continuously be redefined. Since language is just a bunch of symbols, these symbols are always going to mean something different to another. Conveying one unifying thought with a symbol becomes potentially difficult at this point, especially when it has to be voted upon.
Overall, it creates quite a task at hand, likely delaying abortion under the terms you suggest. Im not saying thats particularly a bad thing...but damned if I was the government official(s) assigned to do that job. |
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Also, to go back to devonin's statement, about the phrasing of the question being wrong: I feel like the question is incredibly straightforward, but any debate involving something like abortion has the unfortunate side effect of attracting people who will simply give their opinion on the rightness or wrongness of the act and don't answer the question. I'll answer the topic question: No, I don't think the government should stop abortions. I think there should be some kind of regulation in place, but it is hard to regulate what a woman can and cannot do with her body. Completely outlawing abortion opens the window for women dying in alley-way abortion "clinics", raped women having no alternative to carrying an unwanted child, and endangering the lives of mothers as well as having no option when one learns the child being carried will be unable to survive once it is born. That's not to say I support abortion. It is a touchy subject and I do believe that there are alternatives in almost any situation, but there are also those situations I can't even begin to put myself in and THAT is what tells me I have no right to decide for the rest of the country. |
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"Should they" implies that we're discussing whether it is a moral or immoral act, and that the government has every right to legislate if it is immoral. I don't think that is the case though. Whether the population at large finds it perfectly acceptable, or completely reprehensable, I don't feel the government has the -right- to try and attach legality or illegality to it. |
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