Homosexual Marriage

[devonin]

Originally Posted by AriesMalvis

yes some ppl believe that marriage is just so you can have babies and furhter the species and whatnot
i don't believe that...at all
marriage basically is a special bond between ppl
with legalities and such
to deny anyone from marrying another person is just idiotic
i mean how would you like it if one day you decided to get married
but someone came up behind you, slapped you on the head, and said no that's just gross
or something...and yes i kno it's not likely...but still
personally, i don't think i want to get married...
i believe that in a true relationship, you just need the love and commitment
you don't need marriage
but lots of ppl think otherwise
and that's just fine with me
ppl need to learn to be more open minded and accepting
or they should just go play in traffic

Originally Posted by Lamoc

Well Put

That wasn't really well put at all...

This thread is really completely dead now. Nothing new or useful to the discussion has come up in some time, just constant rehashings of the same logic that we already acknowledged and moved past pages ago.

All that is happening now is someone randomly comes into the thread goes "I like it" or "I don't like it" (Which aren't supposed to be CT posts anyway) and the bandwagoners all post once again the same thing they already did saying "I like it too" or "I don't like it too"

[Lamoc]

No, this topic isn't dead. There's still people who are all against it and keep expressing thier feelings on it. Alot of homophobic people out there.

[devonin]

Lamoc, there's a very large difference between "This thread is completely dead" and "The topic (presumably "of homosexual marriage") is dead"

Yes clearly many people on this forum have opinions one way or another, but all pretense of critical thinking has long since vanished. Everyone with a vested interest in critically examining the political ramifications of homosexual-marriage legislation have said what they want to say and moved on...all that is left is a cavalcade of "I like it" "I like it too!" "I don't like it" "You hate gay people" "Gay people are wrong" And so on and so on, presumably ad infinitum.

That's not something that ought to be in CT.

[Izzi]

Originally Posted by devonin

Psst: Women can be gay too

Unfortunatly we arnt talking about that right now =/
2 Women can also just go to a sperm bank.

[Sera13]

Firstly, for those of you who dont believe in gay marriage for religous reasons, a gay couple could just as easily marry at a court house or in a ceromony preformed by a judge rather than a priest, pastor, or whatever else. Many people in todays culture be married not to be "married" becuase they are just as happy as unmarried couple living together as they would be otherwise. Instead many people are marrying due to the benifits and security purposes. Say If a man supports his family and he dies, and the parents were not married.. the women is kind of screwed. However insurance pays off to spouces, as well as life insurance and everything else. It is not right to take that security from a homosexual relationship either. Those two people live together and support eachother like any hetrosexual couple. They have just as much right to those benifts as anyone else.

On the subject of marriage being a life time band between two people, This is also true. We have no right to say a homosexual couple can not take that step in devoting themselves to one another. from this stand point,the marriage is strictly about love and devotion, which last time a checked is just as legit between homosexuals as it is hertosexuals.

In conclusion, No one has a right to tell you who you can and cannot love and devote yourself to. Further more, as a country who prides itself on freedom, isnt telling a homosexual couple seeking not only the devotional part of marriage but the legal bennift of marriage, they cant get married, completely going against the idea of freedom?

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Izzi

Unfortunatly we arnt talking about that right now =/

I'm sorry, what? What gave you the idea that lesbians aren't considered homosexuals?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Lamoc]

Homosexuals are lesbian, bisexual, gay. If you like someone of the same sex, your homosexual.

[devonin]

Homosexuals aren't bisexuals, however.

It's the whole...same root different prefix means different concept thing.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Marriage is a religious bonding of two beings. You need to have someone with the power to do so in order to make a marriage complete.

Individuals of the same sex were not meant to share such a relationship.



That's my take on it. I'm neutral pretty much however on the whole subject, so I don't care.

[devonin]

Marriage is a religious bonding of two beings.

Er...if you'd actually read any of the thread you'd see that we long since acknowledged that the seperation of church and state means that churches can decided all on their own whether they want to allow it or not, but that our entire discussion was about the -LEGAL- status of "Married" which (also because of the seperation of church and state) has nothing to do with religious union at all.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Originally Posted by devonin

Er...if you'd actually read any of the thread you'd see that we long since acknowledged that the seperation of church and state means that churches can decided all on their own whether they want to allow it or not, but that our entire discussion was about the -LEGAL- status of "Married" which (also because of the seperation of church and state) has nothing to do with religious union at all.

I couldn't give a flying rat's **** what you guys have acknowledged here.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Originally Posted by DigitalS3r4ph

I couldn't give a flying rat's **** what you guys have acknowledged here.

See the point of posting in this thread is to argue about homosexual marriage and post intelligent posts on the issue. If you don't care what other people have posted, then you definitely should stop posting here.
Critical thinking means you have to carefully think about what you are posting, and you are not the only one I am directing this at either, quite alot of people keep giving "I think its okay because I don't see why not" speeches, and its maddening. And, I say for the last time: Read other posts before posting! If the information you are positing to this thread doesn't resemble any other post, then by all means post it! But if not, don't spam this thread up with random "homosexual marriage is cool" speeches.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Originally Posted by MRTL_mrclean17

See the point of posting in this thread is to argue about homosexual marriage and post intelligent posts on the issue. If you don't care what other people have posted, then you definitely should stop posting here.
Critical thinking means you have to carefully think about what you are posting, and you are not the only one I am directing this at either, quite alot of people keep giving "I think its okay because I don't see why not" speeches, and its maddening. And, I say for the last time: Read other posts before posting! If the information you are positing to this thread doesn't resemble any other post, then by all means post it! But if not, don't spam this thread up with random "homosexual marriage is cool" speeches.

Think critically on this then before you stray further off topic-

I don't need a lecture from some random guy on the forums to tell me what I can or can't post my beliefs on in a topic that asks for them.

I'd type more, but I'm currently at work. Direct all further questions and arguments to my lawyer-


www.careplus.com

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Originally Posted by DigitalS3r4ph

Think critically on this then before you stray further off topic-

I don't need a lecture from some random guy on the forums to tell me what I can or can't post my beliefs on in a topic that asks for them.

I'd type more, but I'm currently at work. Direct all further questions and arguments to my lawyer-


www.careplus.com

I was thinking critically and I had posted on-topic.

It's great that you have beliefs, so does everybody, everybody has a different take on a subject, but the question isn't "what?" or "who?", it's "why?". If you are going to post your belief, please do explain why you believe so. Be sure to put forward evidence as well to support your argument.

P.S. Would you prefer a lecture from somone you did know?

[devonin]

I don't need a lecture from some random guy on the forums to tell me what I can or can't post my beliefs on in a topic that asks for them.

Would this be a better source than "some random guy"?

Originally Posted by The rules of this forum

1. Only post if you can contribute something to the topic/debate. This means no more: "What <insert name> Said" , or "I agree/disagree".

Also, as per

I couldn't give a flying rat's **** what you guys have acknowledged here.

Originally Posted by The rules of this forum

2. Do not take anything personally. No flaming.

And further, with regards to

Marriage is a religious bonding of two beings. You need to have someone with the power to do so in order to make a marriage complete.

Individuals of the same sex were not meant to share such a relationship.

Originally Posted by The rules of this forum

4. Since this is a Critical Thinking Forum use evidence to back up your statement if needed.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Originally Posted by DigitalS3r4ph

I'd type more, but I'm currently at work. Direct all further questions and arguments to my lawyer-

www.careplus.com

You're still asking questions.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Originally Posted by DigitalS3r4ph

You're still asking questions.

Take your trash to the garbage bin please. If you are going to accuse people of going off-topic, you would do better to stay on it yourself. And definitely don't dismiss what Devonin had said. He/she has brought up some good points.

[Iamnotamule]

This is the worst topic to be debating about. Homosexuality is an abomination. There in fact is a list of abominations in the bible, and sure enough, homosexuality is a the top, WITH ANIMALS!

This tells you how bad it is. No there is no such thing as overpopulation. Homosexuality is not controlling it, and if you think that, please take this topic more seriously. As I had said before, this is a bad topic to be debating about. There is overflowing though, and thats because America is a "Free Country". Not neccesarily. In the bible (KING JAMES PEOPLE!) there is a law that says " Obey the laws of the land(s)". In other words, obey the laws. If you think that this is irrelevant, then you should not be on the high thinker forum. Hence the name, "Critical Thinking".

Alot of you people aren't not taking this serously, which in this case, you should probably not type at all, but just read.

I for one, do not support gay marrage. I think that it is disquisting, and that gays should go to hell. But thats my opinion, but to god, that is a fact.

America was founded on Christianity. America only "Allows" other religions to be practiced, but Christianity is what America is still based on.

I believe that gay marrage should be banned. If you didn't know, when you were born, it says in the bible that the babes soul is pure. God does not control your life, but he actually guides it through the sayings of preachers.
People who say " Oh no, no, no, I was born this way ", Seriously, the devil has gotten ahold of this person. God does not create you without choices, and he cannot make one direct path when you are born.

Gays, please stop being in denial, and follow the path of God

- Those are my thoughts, and I hope someone agrees.

[Iamnotamule]

Moderator Please delete THIS POST!

[devonin]

This is the worst topic to be debating about. Homosexuality is an abomination. There in fact is a list of abominations in the bible, and sure enough, homosexuality is a the top, WITH ANIMALS!

And if you happen to not believe (As billions of people do not believe) that the bible is universal fact and law...what then?

Also...the united states was nowhere NEAR "Founded on Christianity" The seperation of church and state was one of the founding principles of America, not the complete subsuming the of the state by one particular church.

Edit: Also, because it seems lately that nobody else is bothering to read them...

Originally Posted by The rules of this forum

4. Since this is a Critical Thinking Forum use evidence to back up your statement if needed. This means no more: "The Bible says so."