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Old 04-21-2007, 09:48 PM   #61
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lol, so your telling me that you have personally watched and debunked everyone person on earth who claims to have telekinetic abilites? yea i didnt think so, and until you accomplish that, you cant say its not possible
Why would I need to debunk everyone when in fact they are all using the same old dried up trick? Sorry, once you debunk something it's debunked straight across the board.

Give me one good example of a 'telekinesis' performance that isn't a common magic trick. Just so you know, there are none.

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Also, i know some people think TV isnt true, but on the History Channel, They were conducting experiments with people to claim to have PK and after the experiment, the man stated that PK and TK are very real and its an untapped pheomenon.
TV isn't true? Wow.

But uh, anything can be said on TV. At one point they thought psychic abilities were real because of faulty scientific method. But then of course once the conditions were setup such that there was no cheating allowed the psychics failed horribly as expected.

Generally most people that have been talked into the Randi challenge can't even seem to remember what they went there for and claim they must leave due to mental illness. Strange, that. The rest of them just can't seem to find the place or refuse Randi's offer. Seems to me a convenient way of backing out to avoid humility like the few that have actually attempted it.

Everytime Randi gets involved with these so called paranormalists it's laughable. Everytime. He changes one thing about their act (because again it's just a well known magic trick) and then they make a fool of themselves.

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My personal friend can levitate toothpicks and move small objects, and he does that live infront of me. So are you telling me that its not possible?
Seriously, its not that hard of a subject to grasp. Just because you were able to debunk a psi wheel doesnt mean you found out that TK not possible. Considering at any given time, we use only less than 10% of your brians, I'd say we are truely able to do amazing things if we only find time to stop and explore how to accomplish certain feats
Have your friend videotape it, or perform this feat on live television and become famous for it. Really, I'm serious. People would LOVE this kind of stuff! But you see, your friend is not levitating anything.

Just like the psi wheel, this levitation trick is well known and will be debunked, and your friend will be laughed at for trying to play this off as telekinesis. Get real; this is a MAGIC TRICK, not some sort of mystical ability.


And just because something seems so real does not mean it is. When your friend is making the toothpics levitate, he's fooling you. Be a skeptic and try to figure out how he might be using trickery. From there, set up certain conditions to try and debunk his act. It shouldn't take long, and then you'll know how to do a pretty neat magic trick to fool your friends.


But please, there is nothing lower than trying to pass off a magic trick as a paranormal ability. I dislike with a passion people that claim things like psychic abilities and con people into spending their money on deceiving tricks.
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There is such a thing as "mind over matter." How do you think soldiers and people are able to continue on through pain and torture? Their mind say "you feel nothing because I make it so" and it happens. Simple as that.

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The human mind is an extremely powerful tool. However, almost no one uses its potential wisely, in my opinion. With the development of the mass media and its seemingly complete takeover of everyone's lives and traditions, original thoughts are deteriorating, and society is becoming more and more like one big, mindless organism. I believe only a few people really exercise their brainpower in the proper way, making inferences and having actual insight that will benefit the rest of the people rather than marginally get the job done (when I say a few people, I mean 5 or 6 % of people). Also, laziness is a factor in the weakness of the average person's mind, because it holds people back from productivity. Overall, the average human mind has the potential to be AMAZINGLY powerful, but the number of people who actually reach this potential is disgustingly small.

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beyond anyone's recgognition (lol did I spell that right?)
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For telekinesis, I don't believe it's true. I know it's not true. Since my father is a joker, he had all of us kids try to move a floating candle across water with our minds. Now that I'm older, I realize it was just to keep us entertained at our cousin's reception and to keep our minds off of our rumbling stomachs.

To address the original question... I guess I have no idea how powerful the human mind is. Of course it's still a big mystery to us as to how it works, etc. Really, think about it. It's a large lump of tissue made for storing information. And right now it's telling me I'd love some of the cinnamon streusels I just pulled out of the oven...
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Ok, i can see you all have valid ponts and reasonable evidence. But this still changes nothing in my eyes. I still believe the mind is powerful enough to produce energy... http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ep8uwpDzoQU

lol i also still believe in the ability to move small objects whether you think its impossible or not =]
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Ok, i can see you all have valid ponts and reasonable evidence. But this still changes nothing in my eyes. I still believe the mind is powerful enough to produce energy... http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ep8uwpDzoQU

lol i also still believe in the ability to move small objects whether you think its impossible or not =]
PSI balls are not real. They are not new and there is no evidence to support that they exist.

Saying you have created a PSI ball is equilivant of me saying I'm holding an invisible monkey in my hands right now. Nonsense, really. There's nothing there and we can't seem to find this energy using any scientific devices, but damn, a bunch of people swear they have these abilities, just like I swear I'm holding an invisible monkey.

You see, if you claim to be able to create PSI energy, you're making a claim. Claims have to be supported by evidence, or else the claim is not logically or statistically viable and the claim is rejected. I reject your hypothesis for mine that there is absolutely no real psi energy there. Thousands of people claim these abilities, yet none have shown it to exist. So we have an observed proportion of 0/10000 (just an estimate) to support your claim, and 10000/10000 to support mine. As you can see your observed proportion of PSI energy is 0, so your claim has no support and I can reject on a p level of alpha = 0.05 (most common) where the p value of your claim is 1. It is greater than 0.05 so I reject.

Simple statistics based on scientific observation says that PSI energy is bogus. Unlike the paranormal world, this is how the real world works. We can't simply accept every claim that is made! We must analyze the claim to see if it has any validity, and if it does not then it is rejected. Plain and simple.
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The human mind does a vast extent on its own. The beating of the heart and unfocused breathing are done by the cerabelum and if you are in a vast amount of pain you will not feel it until you look at it such as smashing your thumb open. Really I think the most the human mind can do it control your body and manipulate your feelings. If im in pain I just think "its just a feeling" and don't think of it as pain just a tingling and I only feel a tingling.
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PSI balls are not real. They are not new and there is no evidence to support that they exist.

Saying you have created a PSI ball is equilivant of me saying I'm holding an invisible monkey in my hands right now. Nonsense, really. There's nothing there and we can't seem to find this energy using any scientific devices, but damn, a bunch of people swear they have these abilities, just like I swear I'm holding an invisible monkey.

You see, if you claim to be able to create PSI energy, you're making a claim. Claims have to be supported by evidence, or else the claim is not logically or statistically viable and the claim is rejected. I reject your hypothesis for mine that there is absolutely no real psi energy there. Thousands of people claim these abilities, yet none have shown it to exist. So we have an observed proportion of 0/10000 (just an estimate) to support your claim, and 10000/10000 to support mine. As you can see your observed proportion of PSI energy is 0, so your claim has no support and I can reject on the statistical basis on a p level of alpha = 0.05 (most common) where the p value of your claim is 1. It is greater than 0.05 so I reject. Simple statistics says that PSI energy is bogus.
my claims dont have to be supported by evidence, since when do you get to make the rules? =]
and since ur claiming on holding an INVISIBLE monkey, im sure you are, you have no evidence of it but if you think you are, then you are =]

what i dont understand is why your saying you cannot create energy from your hands to produce a psi ball. Unless you didnt see that man form one. When you rub your hands together very quickly, they start to get hot. Due to friction, your creating ENERGY. All im trying to say is i think its possible to create a type of, well ill just say it since u said it, INVISIBLE energy =]

yea the whole stat thing, thats pretty cool but just because 10 random people are telling me its impossible and im the only person saying it is possible, thats not really going to convince me that "Simple statistics says that PSI energy is bogus"

Edit: On a side note, I'm sure nobody where believes in lucid dreaming and and Out of Body Experience, but i think those fall into the same category on how powerful the human mind is. If you have never had a lucid dream, then of course you will say its impossible because someone cannot give you evidence from their claim. Since i can lucid dream sometimes, its hard to convince people its real, but I know it is so thats all the pretty much matters =]
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Due to friction, your creating ENERGY.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed in can only change form. Friction is the action of changing potential energy into kinetic energy, and then changing kinetic energy into heat energy. You aren't creating anything, visible or in-

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lol just a quick question, if energy cannot be created, then how do we have energy in the first place?
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The universe has had the same amount of energy in it since its inception.

One thing I WILL claim to know more about than you is thermodynamics, heat transfer, and the like. If you really think that you're creating energy by way of friction, you are sorely mistaken about the most basic concepts of energy.

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it's more complex then powerful I would say.
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my claims dont have to be supported by evidence, since when do you get to make the rules? =]
and since ur claiming on holding an INVISIBLE monkey, im sure you are, you have no evidence of it but if you think you are, then you are =]
Well, these are universal rules that apply to everything, including the law which you abide by in real life. Statistical measures are applied all the time in the court room to determine whether or not you can prosecute someone. We can't have people claiming an invisible monkey killed the man and not them...because we can't disprove that. Instead, we can reject the hypothesis in favor of another one based on applying statistics to the data we have.

The fact is, a psi ball COULD exist, but given we have no evidence for it AND lots of counter evidence, it is incredibly unlikely. If your life depended on it, you'd want to go with my hypothesis. Hypothesis testing isn't foolproof and doesn't guarantee that you are wrong, but does provide evidence against your claim.




And lucid dreaming is kind of subjective. I have some pretty interesting dreams. ^^

Or, at least I think I do ;D
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haha, sorry to say this but no, that doesn't help me at all devonin. I say this because wikipedia is the worse site to prove something. Why dont you go back to it and you will see what i mean
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haha, sorry to say this but no, that doesn't help me at all devonin. I say this because wikipedia is the worse site to prove something. Why dont you go back to it and you will see what i mean
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Since energy can't be created or destroyed, it was always there and remains constant in a system. Powerplants work because they convert energy into a usable form that can be used for work.

It might seem possible that you could somehow make a form of energy between your hands that is like, some sort of dark energy. But uh, I guarantee you you can't do it with just your mind >__>
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haha, sorry to say this but no, that doesn't help me at all devonin. I say this because wikipedia is the worse site to prove something. Why dont you go back to it and you will see what i mean
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I guarantee that the wiki on the First Law is correct. If you still don't trust it, just google the term and read any of the results.

Bottom line, you're not going to create energy through any normal chemical means. And since I'm pretty sure you don't have antimatter on hand for a matter->energy conversion, you aren't going to do it by those means, either.

EDIT: I can't believe you ****ing vandalized wikipedia to show a point that we all knew already. Just... wow.

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haha, sorry to say this but no, that doesn't help me at all devonin. I say this because wikipedia is the worse site to prove something. Why dont you go back to it and you will see what i mean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_l...namics#History

Right...you're clever, you can edit the page. Now the change has been logged, and one of the site mods will see the change, correct it, and probably ban you.

The best part is, I can even go into the history of the page and see exactly when and what you changed, which allows me (awesome isn't it!) to go into the history of -any- page, and see, for example, that many people had your bright idea, and had their vandalism repaired in -one day- and that the previous (and original version) has remained for months and months and months.

Further, being responsable posters that they are, they original work is referenced and footnoted so you can go look it up yourself in an actual book! Isn't that wonderful?

You quoted us websites (changable easily) and linked us to a video (easily faked) and you think we should take you seriously?
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