Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE - Page 17

moches · 01-22-2007, 07:08 PM

Anything multiplied by 0 is 0.

Therefore, Infinity*Zero is 0.

RandomPscho · 01-22-2007, 08:48 PM

Zero * Infinity is an undefined operation.

**Reach** · 01-22-2007, 09:05 PM

moches reads threads.

archbishopjabber · 01-26-2007, 04:20 PM

http://www.math.oregonstate.edu/home...imes_zero.html

That should answer your question.

moches · 01-31-2007, 07:59 PM

Wait. Is "moches reads threads" a good thing or a bad thing.

RandomPscho · 02-1-2007, 05:45 AM

It is complete sarcasm.

perkeyone · 03-18-2007, 06:01 PM

i think in order to solve some undefined cases, certain rules should have dominance over others (ex. rule 1 (x*0=0) > rule 2 (x*inf=inf) therefor (inf*0=0) just as example)
using a "rule dominance" i think the undefined solutions would be the following

inf^0=1
0^0=1
1^inf=1
0^inf=0
inf^-1=0' (0' does not equal 0)
inf/inf=1
0/0=1
inf*0=0
(x>1)^inf=inf
(x<1)^inf=0'

ill add more as i think of things
THESE ARE NOT TRUE THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS

perkeyone · 03-18-2007, 06:17 PM

sorry double post

GuidoHunter · 03-18-2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkeyone

THESE ARE NOT TRUE THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS

Terrible, misleading, counterproductive suggestions.

Math doesn't work like that. It can't work like that.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

RandomPscho · 03-18-2007, 07:48 PM

It is called precedence, not "rule of dominance."

Guido is correct...

Chrissi · 03-18-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moches

Anything multiplied by 0 is 0.

Therefore, Infinity*Zero is 0.

Anything multiplied by infinity is infinity.

Therefore, Infinity*Zero is Infinity.

PS for those who do not understand - I do not actually think this. I am mocking him.

perkeyone · 03-18-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrissi

PS for those who do not understand - I do not actually think this. I am mocking him.

im sorry math doesnt work that way
ps i am mocking guido

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomPscho

It is called precedence, not "rule of dominance."

Guido is correct...

yeah i had a brain lapse and i couldnt think of the word i wanted to use.... more like a brain fart really.. but any ways thats why i put the "quotation marks"

RandomPscho · 03-18-2007, 09:02 PM

You are also mocking the wrong person.

Where is this thread going? Infinity x anything = undefined. It is math...

perkeyone · 03-18-2007, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomPscho

You are also mocking the wrong person.

Where is this thread going? Infinity x anything = undefined. It is math...

No I am well aware of who made each post.
I was mocking the fact that chrissi was mocking me and actually mocking guido simultaneously... it was a lil funny to me i guess
All the equations deemed undefined will never be defined an there fore useless to argue about unless some sort of new process of thinking is deemed appropriate such as precedence of rules

vengefullangel · 03-18-2007, 09:23 PM

Hey guys.

Inf = Inf/1
0=1/Inf

(Inf/1)(1/Inf)=1

If you don't believe me, try taking the limit as x approaches infinity of 1/X.

And the Inf=Inf/1 goes without saying.

And here's what happens when you expand it.

0 = lim (y/x) , -inf<y<inf
X->inf

That way Inf*0 = {all numbers except inf}

GuidoHunter · 03-19-2007, 12:19 AM

1/infinity and infinity/1 don't make any mathematical sense.

Sure, any number divided by one is itself, but does cat/1 mean anything, mathematically? No.

Infinity is a concept, not a number.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Chrissi · 03-19-2007, 12:20 AM

Zero is not equal to 1/inf.

1/inf APPROACHES zero.

Even I with my limited knowledge of math know this much. Your entire beginning premise is false. Therefore I don't even have to read on to know that your proof is wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkeyone

the fact that chrissi was mocking me

Not unless you = moches... :\

perkeyone · 03-19-2007, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrissi

Not unless you = moches... :\

haha oops i didnt read who you were quoting.
i apologize for my temporary(hopefully) retardation

johnnyhoney0 · 03-19-2007, 06:30 PM

I just noticed this thread and I was leafing through it, learning as I went. I don't know if this issue has been taken care of yet (I didn't feel like reading all the way through the thread), but I just wanted to give my input.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shashakiro, a lot earlier in this thread

It may be farther down the line, but that's irrelevant, because EVERY stone, no matter how far down, has a stick that can be matched with it. So the two have to be equal.

I think what Shash is saying here is true because if -...-...-...- goes on forever (infinity) then there are infinity # of sticks and infinity # of stones. So you can't really say that there are more sticks than stones, because if the set goes on forever, then there are infinite amounts of both.

Still don't believe me? Still think "OMG NO JOHNNY 3:1 3:1 3:1!!!"? Then look at this:

Let I stand for infinity.

(I have to also remind everyone, just for my own sake, so I don't get a billion questions later, that if you multiply 2 and X, you can write it as 2X. That's what I'm doing here.)

Look at the fact that 1I = I, and then look at the fact that 3I = I. If I've read this thread correctly so far, both of those things are true. Well, if those things are true, we can say that 1I is the same as 3I, right?

So, if 1I is the same as 3I, then it makes sense for Shash to say that there are an equal amount of sticks and stones if the pattern is indeed infinite.

If that hasn't been taken care of yet, I believe it has been now.

RandomPscho · 03-19-2007, 06:59 PM

I don't believe you can have 3I and I, infinity is infinity.

01-22-2007, 07:08 PM	#321
moches FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 3,996	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** Anything multiplied by 0 is 0. Therefore, Infinity*Zero is 0.

01-22-2007, 08:48 PM	#322
RandomPscho FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Posts: 504	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** Zero * Infinity is an undefined operation.

01-22-2007, 09:05 PM	#323
Reach FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Age: 39 Posts: 7,471	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** moches reads threads. __________________

01-26-2007, 04:20 PM	#324
archbishopjabber FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 81 Posts: 268	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** http://www.math.oregonstate.edu/home...imes_zero.html That should answer your question.

01-31-2007, 07:59 PM	#325
moches FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 3,996	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** Wait. Is "moches reads threads" a good thing or a bad thing.

02-1-2007, 05:45 AM	#326
RandomPscho FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Posts: 504	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** It is complete sarcasm.

03-18-2007, 06:01 PM	#327
perkeyone FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 240	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** i think in order to solve some undefined cases, certain rules should have dominance over others (ex. rule 1 (x0=0) > rule 2 (xinf=inf) therefor (inf0=0) just as example) using a "rule dominance" i think the undefined solutions would be the following inf^0=1 0^0=1 1^inf=1 0^inf=0 inf^-1=0' (0' does not equal 0) inf/inf=1 0/0=1 inf0=0 (x>1)^inf=inf (x<1)^inf=0' ill add more as i think of things THESE ARE NOT TRUE THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS

03-18-2007, 06:17 PM	#328
perkeyone FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 240	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** sorry double post

03-18-2007, 07:48 PM	#330
RandomPscho FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Posts: 504	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** It is called precedence, not "rule of dominance." Guido is correct...

03-18-2007, 09:02 PM	#333
RandomPscho FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Posts: 504	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** You are also mocking the wrong person. Where is this thread going? Infinity x anything = undefined. It is math...

03-18-2007, 09:23 PM	#335
vengefullangel FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 137	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** Hey guys. Inf = Inf/1 0=1/Inf (Inf/1)(1/Inf)=1 If you don't believe me, try taking the limit as x approaches infinity of 1/X. And the Inf=Inf/1 goes without saying. And here's what happens when you expand it. 0 = lim (y/x) , -inf<y<inf X->inf That way Inf0 = {all numbers except inf} __________________ More important than my rank is this link: http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/04/flashmute AAA breakdown: 0.5-2.5: 75/75 ;3.0: 28/30 (2 BF's);3.5: 29/35 Latest:Story of Snowman V1; Most Appreciated:5 Black Skulls; Video: Eternus Best: Hanabi Average Rank: 304.9 ; Tier points: 86;Total AAA's: 176 Last edited by vengefullangel; 03-18-2007 at 09:25 PM..*

03-19-2007, 06:59 PM	#340
RandomPscho FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Posts: 504	*Re: Infinity Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE** I don't believe you can have 3I and I, infinity is infinity.

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