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Old 03-7-2007, 03:37 PM   #1
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Do I love me?—Yeserrie!

Mother Nature has endowed all animals, except for Homo sapiens, with a complex of instincts that makes it possible for that animal to survive in a dangerous world. “The animal has no ‘problems’ of survival in the sense that its built-in instinctive nature takes care of survival in such a way that the animal does not have to consider or decide whether or not it wants to make an effort. In man the instinctive apparatus has lost most of its efficacy—hence narcissism assumes a very necessary biological function.”

Narcissism means self-love; it refers to a set of characteristic traits that are concerned with forms of self-preservation. In the normal individual narcissism represents the allocation of psychic energies to maintain a healthy balance of personal needs. Humans have lost many of the pre-programmed self-preservation control over maneuvers required for survival; thereby requiring the human to make decisions as to the proper maneuvers for self-preservation.

Freud defined the libido as the—emotional or psychic energy derived from primitive biological urges that is usually goal oriented. In common usage, libido means sexual desire—in more general and scientific usage, it is the free creative or psychic energy available to the individual for personal development as a complete unified person.

Jung has taken Freud’s concepts and has modified them in a manner more satisfactory to Fromm. In Jung’s system, libido is a general energy concept. This energy deals with and is visible through manifestations of human behavior, which has a certain intensity and direction. The energy holds together the individual within him self as well as the direction of the self toward the outside world.

The science of psychoanalysis depends upon the assumption of a dynamic character of human behavior. To comprehend human behavior one must comprehend these forces that animate human behavior.

Primary narcissism is that of the newborn infant and of the insane person. The infant has not yet found the outside world and all of this energy is directed inward; the insane person has rejected the outside world as existing, the outside world no longer is real. For both the newborn and the insane all narcissistic energy is directed at the self. The person who has achieved the status of ultimate power may become an example also of primary narcissism. Such an individual has absolute power over all she surveys. Such a person, like Hitler or Stalin, has severed all connection with reality.

Quotes from “The Heart of Man”—Erich Fromm
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:20 AM   #2
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I've recently read an article about a study regarding the supposed increase in narcissism within young children. Since the past few decades, parents have encouraged children with phrases such as "You are special/unique!"* in their best interest to boost self-esteem, but it may lead to the point where children become self-indulgent in themselves. What do you think?

*some other quotes which may encourage narcissism:
- from a school poster: "Reach for the moon! Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars!"
- from t-shirts: "It's all about me"
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Old 03-10-2007, 03:00 AM   #3
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yea a parents praise to a child can have negative effect ie the child becomes ****y or over confident
but there's really no reason not to praise the child if he or she did something they're proud of. like when they scribble a picture and show it to you...you can't just say, well it's alright but you went out of the lines. most ppl would say something like nice job or it's beautiful
there's a line in there somewhere that separates the two
but it's not only the parents that do that, it's how an individual interprets these things...
one shirt that's more famous now is yea i'm kind of a big deal...i like that one
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Old 03-10-2007, 05:04 AM   #4
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I've recently read an article about a study regarding the supposed increase in narcissism within young children. Since the past few decades, parents have encouraged children with phrases such as "You are special/unique!"* in their best interest to boost self-esteem, but it may lead to the point where children become self-indulgent in themselves. What do you think?

*some other quotes which may encourage narcissism:
- from a school poster: "Reach for the moon! Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars!"
- from t-shirts: "It's all about me"


I have been reading Kierkegaard lately and he expresses the problem inherent in raising children. If a child is disciplined too much they become too repressed and if they are not sufficiently disciplined then they are unable to deal with reality.

Wo/man is a union of polar opposites; self-consciousness and physical body. It is thus “the true essence of man”. “Leading modern psychologists have themselves made it the corner stone of their understanding.”

The evolution into self-consciousness from self-satisfying ignorance inherent in animal nature had one great tragedy for wo/mankind, which is anxiety or dread. It is our very humanness which produces anxiety--dread of death. This anxiety results from the ambiguity of our situation and our inability to overcome such an ambiguity. This ubiquity of ambiguity drives us into the creation of a virtual world in which to live. Self-consciousness cannot be denied, we cannot disappear into a state of vegetation, we cannot flee dread; we can only create delusions--a virtual reality.

The task of the sciences of psychology, psychoanalysis, sociology, and anthropology are to discover the strategies that humans use to avoid anxiety. How do we function automatically and uncritically in our virtual world and how do these strategies deprive us of true growth and freedom of action?

Today we talk about ‘repression’ and ‘denial’; Kierkegaard, the pioneer, called these same things “shut-upness”. He recognized the ‘half-obscurity’ in which wo/man lives her life, he recognized that man recognizes the truth of ceremony, how many times to bow when walking past the altar, he knows things in the same way that a pupil uses ABC of a mathematical expression but not when it is changed to DEF. “He is therefore in dread whenever he hears something not arranged in the same order.”

Shut-upness is what we today call repression. Kierkegaard recognized a “lofty shut-upness” and a “mistaken shut-upness”. It is important that a child be reared in a lofty shut-upness, i.e. reserve, because it represents an ego-controlled and self-confident perception of the world.

Mistaken shut-upness, however, results “in too much blockage, too much anxiety, too much effort to face up to experience by an organism that has been overburdened and weakened in its own controls…more automatic repression by an essentially closed personality”. Good is openness to new possibilities and evil is closed to such possibility.

Shut-upness is called, by Kierkegaard, “the lie of character”. “It is easy to see that shut-upness eo ipso signifies a lie, or, if you prefer, untruth. But untruth is precisely unfreedom…the elasticity of freedom is consumed in the service of close reserve…Close reserve was the effect of the negating retrenchment of the ego in the individuality.”

This ‘lie of character’ is developed by the infant’s need to adjust to the world. This unfreedom becomes mistaken shut-upness when the character becomes too fearful of the world to open itself up to its possibilities. Such individuals become ‘inauthentic’; they are not their own person; they follow a life style that becomes automatic and uncritical, they become locked in tradition. This infant grows up becoming the ‘automatic cultural-man’.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:31 AM   #5
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Hey Coberst, what is the square root of 16?
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Old 03-10-2007, 08:11 AM   #6
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Old 03-10-2007, 09:37 AM   #7
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Yeah, you're a bot. You can tell us all this yet you can't tell me the square root of 16. Pathetic.
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:09 PM   #8
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:12 PM   #9
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The square root of the sum of the squares of the other two sides?
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:12 PM   #10
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Length times width plus square of the other two sides?
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:20 PM   #11
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God I love messing with bots.

Also, you just triple posted in the critical thinking section, way to go on breaking the rules.

Have you even read the rules?
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:59 PM   #12
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Way to go for not contributing, trd.
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:02 PM   #13
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What is he?
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:03 PM   #14
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Way to go for not contributing, trd.
This guy is a bot, he has mass spammed his threads on about 20 forums, he mass spams his reponses to all these forums. No matter what is said he responds in the same fashion.

His threads never have any relevance for discussion. They are all pretty much written articles that 90% of the forum will not care for. If he was a real person then you would feel the emotion in the posts and perhaps you could actually get discussion.

As such, his posts are idiotic. I hate bots.
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:07 PM   #15
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Nvm if that's the case.
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:48 PM   #16
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God I love messing with bots.

Also, you just triple posted in the critical thinking section, way to go on breaking the rules.

Have you even read the rules?
i dont think bots can read rules.
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:08 PM   #17
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Never say die!

Never say never?
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Old 03-10-2007, 03:00 PM   #18
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See what I mean ^^. Now tell me that that is a human haha.

Lumpho - Yeah, that was the point.

Also, ok, I've proven he's a bot, can he be banned or removed now or something?
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Old 03-11-2007, 01:21 AM   #19
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Raping, did you ever think he was joking around?

Maybe?

Even a little?
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Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:00 AM   #20
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Raping, I don't know how you can think that's a bot.

I think he's just an idiot with a superiority complex and a dictionary.

Actually, scratch that. He doesn't have a dictionary, or he'd start using appropriate words, which he doesn't do. He's an idiot with a thesaurus.
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