Where will game advancement stop?

[oD]

I'd like to know what some people's ideas are on where video gaming is going and what it will eventually become?

What possibilities are there for video gaming in the future?

[TheRapingDragon]

Virtual Reality.

[cloud321]

When the REAL Dot Hack comes out.

[oD]

What if u could some how recieve and send messages to the brain?

Then couldn't you do anything? Say... If you were playing gears of war. You open your eyes to see the surroundings. What you see in real life is just your brain getting messages from receptors in your eyes. What if you could intercept that message and instead send messages to ur brain so that you would actually be seeing something else. Eventually you could get to the point where it was like your brain was in another body. You could function exactly like that body could and you would see what they see.

Think about it. If you can see/feel that you only have 2 arms and you know that you only have 2 arms then you couldn't move a third arm somewhere on ur body (cuz it doesn't exist). In a video game set up like this it could send receptors to ur brain saying that u do have a third arm and so that you could see that u had a third arm. When you try to move it, the messages sent from your brain would go to the video game so that it would tell it to move.

Extremely complicated but if you think about it. When you can intercept brainwaves and send messages to the brain then you can make videogames into anything.

It could even replace dangerous work such as: toxic cleanup where you could be in a video game where you are a robot and you would control it just the same. It would be almost like a remote controlled robot only you see through receptors on the robot and move your arms etc just the same.

Is it possible to intercept brainwaves? (or even pick them up if they are given off even at a very low level, since it is electric currents going through ur nerves to tell your body to move) without using surgery - cuz if u had to use surgery it would be too dangerous to test.

[Vishnal]

Originally Posted by cloud321

When the REAL Dot Hack comes out.

I lol'd.

Seriously, game advancement stops when they can put you INTO the game. Not very practical, as many would die.

It would be kinda fun, though... imagine this sign:

"HALO 9(or whatever the **** it's at then) TOURNAMENT: THIS TIME IT'S REAL! FRAG YOUR FRIENDS... FOR GOOD!"

Or what about:

"MapleStory: Wow, you actually ran away, and now you really kill pigs and slimes for a living!"

:OMFG: :ONOEZ:

"N00B ALERT: HE ****S OVER PIGS AND SLIMES AND SNAILS."

-0.0-

...never read that again...

Real Castlevania: So in Dawn of Sorrow, you're actually hitting Menace's nipple.

Seriously, dude; you start off attacking his friggin' tit.

...uh oh...

Just imagine talking with the characters...

"Wait; you're not Sonic!" Tails would cry.

And you would just go sour like Vicky would to Timmy Turner.

"Go to bed, Tails! No rings for you!"

Middle of the night:

Robots come and invade and kill him.

:OMFG: :LOL: :roflcopter:

~Vishie

[Chromer]

Ok, that entire post was fail.

[vashthestampede0987]

More like this entire thread. Game advancement will stop when tech geeks finally find out how to get laid without using a real girl.

[oD]

oh god, where do I find the intelligent people around here...

Just a Note: If you're on FFR, and you have 1000+ posts, you're a nerd so there's no need to put down your own people there vash.

[slipstrike0159]

Originally Posted by oD

oh god, where do I find the intelligent people around here...

Just a Note: If you're on FFR, and you have 1000+ posts, you're a nerd so there's no need to put down your own people there vash.

HAHA, nice try.

In any case, if you think it will get so advanced that your brain will think your body actually does have a third arm, then wouldn't also be true that there would come a point where your brain couldnt tell if it actually died or not? Assuming you have all the feeling, how do you think it would feel experiencing the pain of death over and over and over and over, and if you couldnt feel things then wouldnt it just be extremely boring or at the very least like an advanced rumble pack?
At the very least, if you could experience all of the things you described then when you get out of the game you will still have the memory of having the ability to use the freakishly amazing things you gained in the game. Also, there would get a point where you really couldnt decipher the difference between virtual reality and the real world because your brain is so heavily involved in both places. Finally, if it was so great to be in these games and it was just like real life only better why would you want to leave the game, what would be the point of living a good real life? Besides, all the people not playing could have a hayday with the amount of crime they could do while everyone is trapped in a game and undistracted by the surrounding real world.

[LifereaperX]

Originally Posted by slipstrike0159

In any case, if you think it will get so advanced that your brain will think your body actually does have a third arm, then wouldn't also be true that there would come a point where your brain couldnt tell if it actually died or not? Assuming you have all the feeling, how do you think it would feel experiencing the pain of death over and over and over and over, and if you couldnt feel things then wouldnt it just be extremely boring or at the very least like an advanced rumble pack?
At the very least, if you could experience all of the things you described then when you get out of the game you will still have the memory of having the ability to use the freakishly amazing things you gained in the game. Also, there would get a point where you really couldnt decipher the difference between virtual reality and the real world because your brain is so heavily involved in both places. Finally, if it was so great to be in these games and it was just like real life only better why would you want to leave the game, what would be the point of living a good real life? Besides, all the people not playing could have a hayday with the amount of crime they could do while everyone is trapped in a game and undistracted by the surrounding real world.

Good idea... Instead of putting criminals in jail, just let them play the futuristic version of Grand Theft Auto for all their lives.

[LifereaperX]

Also, you know how AI engineers are trying to make AI learn and act like humans? Hopefully they never put AI that learns in video games. It would make the game totally suck, because the AI would learn all your strategies, etc. Imagine in Halo 3, that they incorporate this into their "Legendary" mode of difficulty (though of course it won't happen, because AI won't be that advanced for decades). That would make it insanely hard to win, though, I wonder how the AI would react if you let somebody else play, and the strategies of that other person are completely different.

Though, for puzzle games, in which a computer plays you in a thinking game, such as chess, that would just be mean. They already have computers (Deep Blue) that can whoop the best player in the world.

Though a problem for this is, when you first play the game, it would be easy, as the AI doesn't know anything about you, but as you play more, the AI gets harder because it learns more about you. So you beat the first level in a game, then you try to beat that same level again, but it's too hard to beat now.

I prefer the scripted AI that they already have in the games. That learning AI would just suck.

[vashthestampede0987]

Originally Posted by oD

oh god, where do I find the intelligent people around here...

Just a Note: If you're on FFR, and you have 1000+ posts, you're a nerd so there's no need to put down your own people there vash.

Not a put down. I was being totally serious. And I didn't mean "tech geeks" in an offensive way ****tard, I meant it as game designers but then again you wouldn't really be designing a game if you were designing reality.

[slipstrike0159]

First of all, don't double post. Its just annoying to everyone.
Second of all, people that imagine stories where the AI in a computer learns so much about humans they eventually take over the world or whatever seem to think that AI means they have a limitless amount of memory in which to store all of the information about you. This is rarely ever the case. The way i see your post is saying that you hope we dont make games that progressively get so hard we wont be able to defeat it after X amount of games. To me it seems illogical that ANYONE would be this stupid, it would be like making an elevator that started out on the bottom floor, could go up but never down so once you reach the top its done.
Second of all, on the topic of giving criminals the ability to virtually do crime all the time. Hopefully you aren't clueless enough to think "oh, if we make games where people get out their aggression then there will be less crime." Making games more realistic isnt going to limit anything they do, infact, if they play against these "learning AI" then it would give them good enough strategies to pull off huge crimes because as you should know, humans learn too and assuming it gets harder, the human will learn how they are caught and they will eventually get around that. Besides, computers have a lot smaller of a margin for error than humans do.
Please dont take this as an opportunity to say, "well we could use computers with learning AI to catch criminals" because no matter how much you wish it were true, Robocop is probably not going to be real.

[oD]

haha thanks slip. I was looking for someone who might have an actual point of view on this.

Well you see you're right. Even right now we could be in a video game and not know it (definitly not true though) but still. You could put laws on video games. Can't have too immense pain... can't die... etc. Yes life might be better but you have to realize that your body still exists outside of the game. When you're hungry or need to sleep then the game would give you a warning type thing. maybe a hunger level bar? XD I dunno but something that would connect you to the real world.

No matter what you would die if you didn't feed yourself and do the other basic needs. So it would motivate you to get a job etc. Think about how many people "fiend" WoW or other addictive games like that, even ffr. People have their parents to control them. If it weren't for my parents I would have dropped out of school to play video games (when I had no sense what so ever). By the time you're out of your parents control you already have a sense of what you need and want in life. You'd need a job but really you could spend all of your free time on this. Pretending your life is better than it is. Depressed people could have great lives; people suffering through cancer and other diseases could have really good experiences before dying and not have to feel the pain that they would normally feel. A lot of good things could come from this but it would just have to be controlled.

As for the robbing thing... by the point that we can actually put someone's mind into another object/person we'll either have such good security that there wouldn't be that problem; Or people who could afford this would already have good security.

I really like the idea of putting criminals into that kinda thing but why not instead put them to use? make them be minds of robots building things? or... workers doing somethin? I dunno. You could even make a hell if you wanted, for those who would go to jail.


Finally: Vash, yes you were putting them down. You specifically said that they could find a way to get laid without using real girls - saying that they can't get laid without the use of their computers. Don't post in here again, ur taking up space and you don't have anything good to say about this topic. Nobody in this thread wants to hear your smart*** remarks. If you actually wanna talk about this and not be a douche then feel free. Otherwise go find some other thread to spew your trashy thoughts in.

[wickedawesomeful]

Originally Posted by TheRapingDragon

Virtual Reality.

Yes.

[slipstrike0159]

Originally Posted by oD

haha thanks slip. I was looking for someone who might have an actual point of view on this.

Well you see you're right. Even right now we could be in a video game and not know it (definitly not true though) but still. You could put laws on video games. Can't have too immense pain... can't die... etc. Yes life might be better but you have to realize that your body still exists outside of the game. When you're hungry or need to sleep then the game would give you a warning type thing. maybe a hunger level bar? XD I dunno but something that would connect you to the real world.

No matter what you would die if you didn't feed yourself and do the other basic needs. So it would motivate you to get a job etc. Think about how many people "fiend" WoW or other addictive games like that, even ffr. People have their parents to control them. If it weren't for my parents I would have dropped out of school to play video games (when I had no sense what so ever). By the time you're out of your parents control you already have a sense of what you need and want in life. You'd need a job but really you could spend all of your free time on this. Pretending your life is better than it is. Depressed people could have great lives; people suffering through cancer and other diseases could have really good experiences before dying and not have to feel the pain that they would normally feel. A lot of good things could come from this but it would just have to be controlled.

As for the robbing thing... by the point that we can actually put someone's mind into another object/person we'll either have such good security that there wouldn't be that problem; Or people who could afford this would already have good security.

I really like the idea of putting criminals into that kinda thing but why not instead put them to use? make them be minds of robots building things? or... workers doing somethin? I dunno. You could even make a hell if you wanted, for those who would go to jail.


Finally: Vash, yes you were putting them down. You specifically said that they could find a way to get laid without using real girls - saying that they can't get laid without the use of their computers. Don't post in here again, ur taking up space and you don't have anything good to say about this topic. Nobody in this thread wants to hear your smart*** remarks. If you actually wanna talk about this and not be a douche then feel free. Otherwise go find some other thread to spew your trashy thoughts in.

My point is that it will have to be EXTREMELY controlled to make these types of games worthwhile to invest in. You would have to put a million different types of restraints and limitations on it because in most cases, you cant put only a specific part of your brain into something, you would have to put your entire conciousness into it. In such a case it would be like sleeping, either you are completely into it or you are only half awake so the game would not be appealing because half of your mind is in the real world. If it was like sleeping and you were tricking your brain into thinking certain things then your brain would not know when your body is hungry or other such things. Really, the only way i could see this kind of virtual reality actually work effectively is if we used it in the sleep type of format except in this case we would activate more parts of the brain so as to let you remember and use logical decisions while inside. The major part of this process would include seperating your body's nervous systems and such (putting them on standby, you know what i mean) which could mean that it is possible to die in the real world while in the game with your brain having no warning.
With restraints comes the ability to break said restraints, you must understand this concept because even if boundaries are put in place there are still people who will be smart enough to get past them. With this new technology comes a new way to commit various crimes.
I like the idea of making an unpleasant place for criminals to reside however i KNOW that there would be a huge moral conflict involved with doing such a thing.
In conclusion, there would have to be a clock and gage for pretty much every aspect of your body, otherwise a vast amount of problems would arise.

[oD]

Yes I agree. The moral issue with criminal treatment would be a problem but you could always make it as if they are in virtual jail. It'd be extremely easy to control and they couldn't get away.

Thats also a possibility. Replacing sleep with this. Where your body would shut down but you would have a "controlled dream"? I like that idea cuz it would be cool to be able to mould your own dreams or do what you want in your dreams.

[LifereaperX]

Originally Posted by oD

Yes I agree. The moral issue with criminal treatment would be a problem but you could always make it as if they are in virtual jail. It'd be extremely easy to control and they couldn't get away.

Thats also a possibility. Replacing sleep with this. Where your body would shut down but you would have a "controlled dream"? I like that idea cuz it would be cool to be able to mould your own dreams or do what you want in your dreams.

Isn't that what they have in the movie Minority Report?

[slipstrike0159]

Originally Posted by oD

Thats also a possibility. Replacing sleep with this. Where your body would shut down but you would have a "controlled dream"? I like that idea cuz it would be cool to be able to mould your own dreams or do what you want in your dreams.

Thats what im saying, because all of the elements needed to accomplish such feats that realistically would be impossible become real in a dream state of mind. So yeah it would just have to be controlled with more possibilities and instead of your mind relying off of your own memories and experiences it is diverted to the game info off of the disk so to speak. However, i see virtual reality not going as far as you think, i couldnt really imagine having the ability to feel the surroundings while in it and still have minimal margin for serious error. In short, virtual reality is the limit with limits on how far advanced that will get.

P.S - We have had virtual reality and simulators of such for a long time now. They are just not all that great and massive multiplayer scenarios seem unlikely right now.

[evilbutterfly]

Originally Posted by LifereaperX

I prefer the scripted AI that they already have in the games. That learning AI would just suck.

As it is, most game companies just make the "hard" AI cheat A LOT. Like, Dyansty Warriors has been pissing off my roommate recently because on hard the enemies will block things from behind (when YOU block you only protect the 1/4 of you facing forward) and use their special attack (which takes a while for YOU to charge up) twice or three times in a row. Having a really cheap opponent that just cheats to win is no fun, but having a REAL challenge like a learning AI system would make things a lot better.

Also, actual REAL learning by a computer is not possible. All a programmer can do is make the enemy react a certain way based on differing input from the user. Supreme Commander has a somewhat learning AI. Within a match, they scout out your base and find out what you don't have (just like a real person would do) and then hit you with something you can't defend against. Like, if you make massive ground defenses and don't have anything to shoot down aircraft, they will launch a ton of bombers at you and blow you to hell. There's a balance between time spent programming and goodness of AI (as in, it actually performs well and doesn't just rely on cheating). I mean, if a programmer sat and programmed for EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE action you could do and made a reaction to it in the AI then you could ridiculously good AI, but this would 1) be tons of work and would delay the game and 2) would slow down your computer when playing against the AI, cuz of the immense number of calculations and figuring of what to do. As it is, it's easier and faster to make general cases. Like in the example before, the AI just checks to see if amount of ground defense > amount of air defense and then acts according.

Anywho, as for virtual realtiy, it won't get far until LONG after we're technologically able to do it, because of the negative stigma associated with it. It's kinda like robots and the western world. Lots of movies, TV, and books portraying AI-controlled robots becoming self aware and attacking humans makes the masses distrusting of robots (in the west, at least. In places like Japan, where the media portrays friendly robots, people have robots in their everyday lives already). The same has happened with virtual reality, with a lot of scary but not-very-plausible situations happening in movies that make the easily-scared masses afraid to embrace things like this.