NOOO!!!! : (

[Spencer06]

guys think about the past remember the times it was actually cool enough to sit outside in the afternoon eating watermelons!!! Now we can't because of that. If the world teamed up together we would be able to heal our precious land/planet.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Spencer06

guys think about the past remember the times it was actually cool enough to sit outside in the afternoon eating watermelons!!! Now we can't because of that. If the world teamed up together we would be able to heal our precious land/planet.

WHAT?!

Global warming has NOT influenced average temperatures to any significant degree.

Remember the times it was actually cool enough to sit outside in the afternoon eating watermelons? Yeah, that was last not summer.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Spencer06]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

WHAT?!

Global warming has NOT influenced average temperatures to any significant degree.

Remember the times it was actually cool enough to sit outside in the afternoon eating watermelons? Yeah, that was last not summer.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

For me. I used to watch TV OUTSIDE (fun and less expensive then a fan to cool down (don't assume I'm poor)) when it was cooler in the afternoons. Now, for me WINTERS ARE SO LATE TO COME!

no I will not tell where I live...

[talisman]

about CO2 in the oceans... carbon dioxide is already accumulating naturally in the oceans due to its increased atmospheric concentration. Obviously, in water it acidifies, creating carbonic acid. The increase in carbonic acid concentration has been well documented and linked to various ecosystem disruptions.

Let me summarize the scientific consensus: Global warming exists, and by the most conservative aggregate estimates (of the IPCC) is attributable within 90% probability to human causes. A lot of people on the internet like to say that it's real, but not caused by humans. It is caused by humans. Don't bring up the ice age scare from the 70s, solar radiation variability, or martian temperatures. That's all been debunked far too many times to bear repeating.

On the topic of solutions:

Alternate energy sources must obviously be pursued in the long term. And in the short term, emissions caps must be set, and fuel efficiency standards raised.

Some have argued that the economic costs are too high to do this. Even if this is true (and that's a big if), the economic costs of NOT acting are far higher.

Finally, the point was raised earlier that human energy consumption is so great that fossil fuels must be relied upon. This may be true right now, but as more money is shifted around and technological innovations are made, I don't see why it's unfeasible that things like ethanol, wind, solar, or geothermal can be made more cost effective. Just a few days ago I read an article promoting a breakthrough in the production of ethanol from corn.

[Spencer06]

Originally Posted by talisman

On the topic of solutions:

Alternate energy sources must obviously be pursued in the long term. And in the short term, emissions caps must be set, and fuel efficiency standards raised.

Some have argued that the economic costs are too high to do this. Even if this is true (and that's a big if), the economic costs of NOT acting are far higher.

Finally, the point was raised earlier that human energy consumption is so great that fossil fuels must be relied upon. This may be true right now, but as more money is shifted around and technological innovations are made, I don't see why it's unfeasible that things like ethanol, wind, solar, or geothermal can be made more cost effective. Just a few days ago I read an article promoting a breakthrough in the production of ethanol from corn.
Added: Right now there cars that operate on batteries and gas (petroleum) and theres also cars that use solar panels to operate cars but not completed yet.

Added: Right now there cars that operate on batteries and gas (petroleum) and theres also cars that use solar panels to operate cars but not completed yet.

[Squeek]

Spencer, Winter came late this year as a result of weather patterns in the climates. Not from Global Warming. It may have played a small role, but it was not the cause.

Originally Posted by Wiki

In North America, typically, winters are warmer than normal in the upper Midwest states, the Northeast, and Canada, while central and southern California, northwest Mexico and the southwestern U.S., are wetter and cooler than normal. Summer is wetter in the intermountain regions of the U.S. The Pacific Northwest states, on the other hand, tend to experience dry but foggy winters and warm, sunny and precocious springs during an El Niño. During a La Niña, by contrast, the Midwestern U.S. tends to be drier than normal. El Niño is associated with decreased hurricane activity in the Atlantic, especially south of 25º N; this reduction is largely due to stronger wind shear over the tropics.

Most people assume El Niño went away or something.

Most people also assume Global Warming and the OZone Layer problem are one in the same. They aren't. The OZone problem has been solved. The problem was primarily CFCs in sprays. Within weeks it was discovered and we now use something different. That's not to say we can continue mucking it up, but it's stopped spreading the hole in the layer.

[jamuko]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned An Inconvenient Truth yet.

I don't care if you like Gore or not. Watch this movie.

Edit: I can't stress this enough.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by talisman

I don't see why it's unfeasible that things like ethanol, wind, solar, or geothermal can be made more cost effective.

More cost-effective, maybe, but when it comes to usable energy content, I just can't see all of those combined meeting the energy needs of the entire world. MAYBE if solar technology is refined enough, but there's a relative little amount of energy in sunlight and there has to be loss in conversion, so the maximum potential is still rather small.

Geothermal, perhaps, but harnessing that's going to be difficult.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[sherbtail]

Originally Posted by Squeek

Most people also assume Global Warming and the OZone Layer problem are one in the same. They aren't. The OZone problem has been solved. The problem was primarily CFCs in sprays. Within weeks it was discovered and we now use something different. That's not to say we can continue mucking it up, but it's stopped spreading the hole in the layer.

I saw on the news recently that the hole over one of the poles has shrunk significantly recently, it made me smile

[talisman]

Guido: the way I see it... we kind of have to try.

Another potential solution is carbon capture and storage.

And of course, reducing energy demand is one option, but I really can't see this happening. Though companies like Dell are coming out with "greener" electronics that run on less energy etc.

[ddr_f4n]

We are not the problem. Those money-making selfish bastards are the problem. They are too selfish and insecure about their money and they just do not want to stop with their polluting industries. All they want is money. Also, if you want to save the environment, that will take a lot of people's jobs away. Many of the people around the world can only make money by working in these industries and by closing these industries will take away many of the worker's jobs. Then they will have no money to pay their bills, taxes, rent, mortgage, etc. We are not to blame! It's the owners who own the polluting companies who are to blame and are too lazy to find another solution.

[sherbtail]

Fine then, if you hate them that much, boycott their products... I somehow don't see you doing it being a power guzzling computer/ddr user.

We are not free of blame by any means, we are the ones who demand cheaper products all the time.

It must be the hypoglycaemia making random links in my head, but this reminds me of animal rights activists who oppose testing drugs on animals, and then where do they go if they have a headache, to the packet of tylenol
Ps. Im not exactly a supporter of testing on animals, but unfortunately its a necessity, this has almost made me want to start a new topic, but alas, I need sugar quite badly, adieu

[Armadegon]

OMG you ****ing jack***es!!!! Just kill those fat cows and they cant produce c02. Cow farts make up 8.3% of cO2 emmisions

[purebloodtexan]

Originally Posted by Armadegon

OMG you ****ing jack***es!!!! Just kill those fat cows and they cant produce c02. Cow farts make up 8.3% of cO2 emmisions

8.3% isn't anywhere near enough, nor was that post logical.

Killing cows = Killing a primary source of meat and money.

[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by purebloodtexan

8.3% isn't anywhere near enough, nor was that post logical.

Killing cows = Killing a primary source of meat and money.

I don't have a problem with us killing all the cows. Or almost all of them. We don't want them to go extinct.

[ToshX]

Alright, too lazy to read through the last page in a half.

I care very much about the environment. I can't even remember the last time I've littered, etc. The thing is, I probably won't do extra stuff to support the environment just because I don't want to change my lifestyle for an ineffective cause. I'm just not going to get the job of billions done by myself.

I know someone may throw out the "well if we all thought like you, we'd be doing much worse" argument, but all I have to say is, be realistic. You could convince me. You could convince all of my friends. You could convince everyone that has ever registered for this website(over a million) and it would still not even equal even 1% of the total population.

One person will not change the effects of billions. Unless I see others doing stuff, I refuse to do it myself if it burdens me.

[Nul]

It seems to me that we aren't really looking at fossil fuels, I did see a glance.

At the rate we "consume" these fossil fuels, they will be gone in about 50 years says predictions, and I'd bet we'd want to same some of it like we did with some proclaimed cured diseases, so perhaps a year less.

Cows, granted 8%, but think, they have been here way before we started to industrialize the land, and this issue wasn't happening then.

A way to help, is to plant some trees. Citizens can do only so much, and a nice tree gives shade and air, and taken care of, a great addition to the established place.

And to the guy with the placing of gas under the ocean, the water just above the gas is also compressed, and given the additional density that the gas is given, and the gas would thus always be lighter than the immediate above water until it reaches and surpasses the water's surface. Think about your lies, they ruin reps.

[purebloodtexan]

Originally Posted by Chrissi

I don't have a problem with us killing all the cows. Or almost all of them. We don't want them to go extinct.

Cows are basically our primary source of meat (And a good part of my state's history). Trust me, you don't want them gone.

I know someone may throw out the "well if we all thought like you, we'd be doing much worse" argument, but all I have to say is, be realistic. You could convince me. You could convince all of my friends. You could convince everyone that has ever registered for this website(over a million) and it would still not even equal even 1% of the total population.

That's what I'm thinking; we'll do this-and-that to support the environment, but we're in no form or fashion going to convert to treehuggers.

[kingofmyhead]

The recent world-wide gathering of scientists in February concluded that the effects of global warming are, at this point, already irreversible. Even if we completely changed within a few months, it would already be too late.

Personally, I feel that we all have to die somehow. Why not through global warming? In my opinion, some form of life will either live on through it, or global warming will force the extinction of life as we know it. Life will merely need to start over. For you religious people out there, there wouldn't need to be a divine intervention or the end of the world. As long as the proper gases are present, as proven in the Miller-Ureys experiment, amino acids can form from non-living matter. Give it a few billion years. With a little luck, we'll have life again! Well. Earth, anyway.

And according to the article The New Ice Age, written by Brad Lemey, there's some stuff that nobody's really picking up on. According to a number of scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in Massachusetts, conditions are ripe for a mini-ice age, such as the one seen from 1300-1850. These scientists speculate that during the next 10 years, temperatures in America will fall at least 5 degrees. Temperatures in Europe and the Northeast will probably fall 10 degrees. This mini ice age would be due to the increased appearance of freshwater in the oceans, possibly from the melting Arctic ice. This, in turn, would force the Gulf Stream farther south, and, voila, colder temperatures.

[purebloodtexan]

Way to bump.