Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

[hafelife]

Originally Posted by RandomPscho

Please provide some evidence that a bee cannot fly.

i no that a bee can fly it just mathmaticly inposibul that it can fly

[RandomPscho]

i no that a bee can fly it just mathmaticly inposibul that it can fly

Which is what I am asking evidence of.

[3D OGRE 1]

that comparision is totally different!

[tha Guardians]

Originally Posted by Squeek

Tell me if you've gotten to Calculus or beyond yet.

The list of formulas to memorize for derivatives is over 100. Just for derivatives. There are 100 more for integrals. There are probably hundreds more for other things.

Do you honestly see this as necessary? Do you honestly think you can rely on this knowledge if you're in an emergency situation? What if you confuse 1/x with x/1? What if you confuse 2x with x^2? What about cotangent with cosecant?

Professors seem to think you NEED TO KNOW these things, and you're telling me those professions NEED TO KNOW these things, so this is not an unrealistic number of formulas AT ALL.

OH NOT TO MENTION all the rules for finding them. Quotient Rule, Chain Rule, Product Rule, Power Rule. DEFINITELY NOT HARD TO CONFUSE THESE HAHAHAHA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_derivatives

Get memorizing. If you can't tell me what the derivative of 5x^9arccot(6x) +10x^2csc(3) is within five minutes, the world could end. No calculators, please.

Oh and don't confuse any of those with these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_integrals

Okay, this is an old post, but I need to make a point.

You're an astronaut alone trying to land on Mars. You've lost communication with Earth and you have 5 minutes to find your position and calculate your distance, angle, and velocity. What now? Are you going to bring out your laptop, bounce a signal off a satellite from millions of miles away, and open up google or wikipedia? You may have a calculator with you, but what if you don't know the formula needed to find all your calculations?

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Originally Posted by darkdieuguerre

Is it really? You do remember how gravity works, right? The more massive the object in question the stronger gravity pulls on it (or something like that, I'll have to look it up). So the bee, being relatively light, is not affected by gravity as much as humans are. Therefore, since the bee can generate enough force to overcome gravity, it can fly. However, we can't, since we are too heavy and too un-aerodynamic.

It flies because its wings flapping propels wind under it and sense it is not very dense, the air pushes up on the bee, allowing it to sustain in the air, but ask yourself why a bee may not fly backwards.

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For I = Infinity...

I-I=0? Supposing it doesn't have a limit, does the universe exploding mean there would be no universe, or would it start again? I've heard theory of Attractions (Gravity), Repels (Like a - magnet and a + magnet), and Constant stages in where the universe repeats itself except for one factor. If this theory were true, then wouldn't it be possible that the limit increases?

In my theory, I-I=0+x


Now onto I+-I=I-I? Since infinity has no limit, isn't it possible that I+-I could be anything, and not zero?

In my opinion I+-I=/=I-I
I say I+-I=I+x-I-n in that a limit does not exist so I is not a solid number, but only a theory, but could someone explain to me if I+-I=I-I or please tell me what's going on, because I'm tired.

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I=Infinity

I+I=2I, but since I has no limit, 2I still remains I. I+x=I, and I+I=I

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Originally Posted by A2_Sauce

I've been very curious about this, please post comments.

Proof:

Any number / Infinity = Zero -- because anything divided by infinity will be infinitely small or zero.

Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.

I=Infinity

x/I =/= 0
x/I = <I but >= 0

(x*0)=(x-x)

The only way I can think to solve this is to say I-I=0+x so I*0=x and x>0 and x<=I, but that doesn't quite sum it up, does it?

[businessman07]

When I was in cal I hated remembering Identities:
Reciprocal
Pythagorean
negitive angle
Quotient
Double angle
Product to sum
sum to product
Half angle
Cofunction
I can still remember the final
I got a 72 barely bassed, I was good for nothing else that day, every time I tried to think, I remembered formulas.

they are stupid and unnessary!

[Exag0n]

Originally Posted by Squeek

The list of formulas to memorize for derivatives is over 100. Just for derivatives. There are 100 more for integrals. There are probably hundreds more for other things.

As far as derivatives are concerned, they're piss easy, especially the ones referred to on the site you posted. If you can't remember them, derive them. To be honest, it's not rocket science.

Originally Posted by Squeek

Do you honestly see this as necessary? Do you honestly think you can rely on this knowledge if you're in an emergency situation? What if you confuse 1/x with x/1? What if you confuse 2x with x^2? What about cotangent with cosecant?

Though I agree that such knowledge is unlikely to help you in said "emergency situation," is that really relevant? Math has thousands of applications, most of which are very useful, and though knowing that the derivative of sin x is cos x doesn't seem useful at face value, it's the basis for further math study (if that is your bent, like mine) and simple though these rules are, they were an integral part (oh, you like that pun don't you) of mathematical development (and all the positive repercussions this entails.)

Originally Posted by Squeek

Professors seem to think you NEED TO KNOW these things, and you're telling me those professions NEED TO KNOW these things, so this is not an unrealistic number of formulas AT ALL.

Professors and high-school teachers test you on these "stupid formulas" (which people tend to call them, not saying that you did) to test your knowledge of how they are derived, not just what the formula is. If your school/university teacher solely tests the formulas themselves, then they don't understand the concept of education in the least and I feel for you.

Originally Posted by Squeek

OH NOT TO MENTION all the rules for finding them. Quotient Rule, Chain Rule, Product Rule, Power Rule. DEFINITELY NOT HARD TO CONFUSE THESE HAHAHAHA.

Thing is... it is hard to confuse these. Not only are they fundamental and allow you to find the derivatives of virtually anything you need (at lower levels of calculus, obviously) they themselves aren't hard to derive. The only one's you need to remember are Power Rule, Product Rule, and Chain Rule. You can get almost everything else with just those three. I don't see any problems memorizing those =\

Originally Posted by Squeek

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_derivatives

Get memorizing. If you can't tell me what the derivative of 5x^9arccot(6x) +10x^2csc(3) is within five minutes, the world could end. No calculators, please.

Oh and don't confuse any of those with these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_integrals

Integrals are usually solved using Euler's method (did I remember that right?) and a couple of others, i.e. with a calculator or computer. So, I can agree with you that the formulas for integrals are pretty much useless, given that real-world applications of integrals require the use of computers anyway.

[darkdieuguerre]

Differential equations can be solved with Euler's Method. Then again, they are like an integral.

Integrals (definite) are solved using the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

Integrals (indefinite) are solved either by common sense (say, integrate x*dx), or integration by u-substitution, parts, partial fractions, or via a formula.

[Ashtoreth]

I heard Chuck Norris counted to infinity why don't we as him?

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Ashtoreth

I heard Chuck Norris counted to infinity why don't we as him?

Rofl

[3D OGRE 1]

Originally Posted by Ashtoreth

I heard Chuck Norris counted to infinity why don't we as him?

LOL

[eagleboy]

Originally Posted by Vests

Infinity isnt a real number though. It is called a imaginary number, as it isn't definate thus it technicly doesn't exist that is also why no mathmatical theorum besides ones made up by idiots use infinity.

That's right. Infinity is as imaginary as the number i. I is used to define the square root of (-1). Adding i to any real number would simply create a complex imaginary number, as would multiplication, division, and subtraction. It's impractical to use it to solve real-life equations, as who really uses i and infinty in daily life anyway? Scientists and mathematicians, but they don't always have the best grasp of it anyway.

On that matter:

i^2 = (-1)

i^3 = (-i)

i^4 = 1

i^5 = i

i^(|4-x|) = (y)

For x (> or =) 0 and {x U Z}
If |4-x| = 3
And x < 4
Then y = i
Else
y = (-i)
ElseIf |4-x| = 2
Then y = (-1)
ElseIf |4-x| = 1
And x < 4
Then y = (-i)
Else
y = i
Else
y = 1
EndIf
EndFor

[RoyalCat]

Infinity= I
Any Number= A

0*I=A
(0*I)^2=A^2

(0*I)^2= 0*0+0*I+0*I+I*I=I^2

I^2=A^2?
I=A?
Assuming that A is 0 then Infinity is 0. Or rather we can give infinity any value which would no longer make it infinity as someone previously stated, it isn't a real number. Then again that would break the premise for my whole calcluations since they regard the rules of math that work on actual numbers.

Going further;
0+I=I
(0+I)^2 is supposed to equal I^2

(0+I)^2= 0^2+2A+I^2= 2A+I^2

I^2= 2A+I^2
2A=0

Since 2 equals 2 which is not 0, then A must equal 0. Therefore, any number is always 0. Quite a big flaw.

Just some random thought. o_o

[Fry]

Originally Posted by RoyalCat

(0*I)^2= 0*0+0*I+0*I+I*I=I^2

You assumed 0*I = 0 here.

[darkdieuguerre]

You can't perform normal operations (addition, subtraction etc.) with infinity. L'Hôpital's rule says that infinity minus infinity can be any number, infinity divided by infinity can be any number, zero times infinity can be any number, and other examples. (Actually, L'Hôpital's rule dictates how to evaluate "indeterminate" limits, but those limits are of forms which usually involve infinity). Therefore, RoyalCat's proofs are invalid.

[RoyalCat]

darkdieuguerre, I think I'd be better prepared to argue here if I knew how to PRONOUNCE L'Hôpital. o_o; I'm assuming he's some french mathematician that dealt with the subject of infinity?

According to how you quoted him, Infinity is a number outside of the numeric system that we usually use and that therefore none of the axiomes that we have in place affect it. Am I correct in phrasing that?

[talisman]

infinity is not a number it is a concept

there are various operations with infinity that are undefined

there are various operations with infinity that are defined

one operation that is undefined is infinity multiplied by zero

please accept this.

[tha Guardians]

Originally Posted by RoyalCat

Infinity= I
Any Number= x

0*I=x
(0*I)^2=x^2

(0*I)^2= 0*0+0*I+0*I+I*I=I^2

I^2=x^2?
I=x?
Assuming that x is 0 then Infinity is 0. Or rather we can give infinity any value which would no longer make it infinity as someone previously stated, it isn't a real number. Then again that would break the premise for my whole calcluations since they regard the rules of math that work on actual numbers.

Going further;
0+I=I
(0+I)^2 is supposed to equal I^2

(0+I)^2= 0^2+2x+I^2= 2x+I^2

I^2= 2x+I^2
2x=0

Since 2 equals 2 which is not 0, then x must equal 0. Therefore, any number is always 0. Quite a big flaw.

Just some random thought. o_o

How does I*0=0? If you remove infinity from infinity, is it no longer infinity?

Originally Posted by Early Indian History, The Yajur Veda (1200-900 B.C.)

Om Poorna mada poorna midam (Om, that is full, this is full) Poornad poorna mudachyate (From that full, this full is removed) Poornasaya poornamadaya Poornameva vasishyate (Yet the full remains full always)"

It's like saying x-y=x=y, but x=I and y=I (sorry for expressing I with a variable, I realize that is incorrect)

I-I=/=0, I-I=?x or I-I=?I (but in my opinion, I-I=0+x = I-I=x because I (being me) believe Infinity = I+n^I (I has no limit, not because no limit is set, but because the limit increases infinitely)

I*2=2I, 2I=I, I*2=I

When you say Infinity zero times equals any number, do you say that because you don't know what Infinity zero times is?

(0^2=0)

2x+
(I^I=I, for infinity has no limit and shall always remain infinity)=
2x+I

EDIT: Please note that my theories are solely opinion and do not regard anyone other than myself and I do not state them as fact; only pure opinion.

[darkdieuguerre]

Originally Posted by RoyalCat

darkdieuguerre, I think I'd be better prepared to argue here if I knew how to PRONOUNCE L'Hôpital. o_o; I'm assuming he's some french mathematician that dealt with the subject of infinity?

According to how you quoted him, Infinity is a number outside of the numeric system that we usually use and that therefore none of the axiomes that we have in place affect it. Am I correct in phrasing that?

If you read my post, you'd see that L'Hôpital's rule tells you how to deal with indeterminate limits. Actually, he didn't do any of the work, if memory serves me right.

Infinity is not a number, as has been stated before. Since it isn't a number, it can't be used in mathematical operations.

[tha Guardians]

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

TI-89 is wrong if it says that, although I'd like to check it out on mine...you're using the actual infinity key, right?

0*0 is always 0, no matter how many times
1*1 is always 1, no matter how many times

[RandomPscho]

For the infinity - infinaty think of it as anything - anything = anything Anything could be anything, but it is defined as a certain something so you are subtracting to random things that will equal another thing which is also undefined