Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

[hafelife]

Originally Posted by tsugomaru

Are you trying to state that 0.0000000000000000000... is less than 0?

~Tsugomaru

its not 0.000000.... it just 0000000000000000.....

[hafelife]

Originally Posted by RandomPscho

12 pages of nothing. Infinity is a concept, not a number, therefore you cannot multiply by it.

As for negative infinity, it is all the numbers less than 0. Only time I have used it is when describing a graph. (As X aproches negtive infinity, y approches positive infinity.)

it not a concept and it not a number and it not a word it just is it there you cant count it you cant add it it is just there
LIVE WITH IT!!!!!

[darkdieuguerre]

Originally Posted by FluorescentArmy

When I multiply, "Inf * 0," on my calculator I get a Math Error.

EDIT: Everything gives me a math error. What a useless button.

Calculus defines that Infinity * 0 can equal anything. Consider the following:

We have a function f(x) and we want to find the area under f(x) from x=a to x=b. (It's known as the integral). If we didn't know how to take the integral, what we could do is draw small rectangles that approximate the area. Of course, there will be some error. If we draw smaller rectangles, we get closer to the area. As the number of rectangles goes to infinity, the area in the rectangles goes to zero, yet we have the area of the function, which is equal to infinity * 0.

The calculator can't calculate infinity * 0 because it doesn't know the context of what it is being used in. To affirm my case, take these two limits:

(x)*(1/x) as x goes to infinity. (The limit is 1)
(x)*(ln x) as x goes to zero (right-hand limit) (The limit is 0)

For the first case, we can insert x*(n/x). The limit will be n. Therefore, infinity * 0 is equal to anything, so it is undefined.

[MainSt_Popcorn]

I agree to disagree! >_>,
infinity is a concept not a number infinity =/= X

[hafelife]

im going to say this agen our math if flawed because it is mathmatcly inposiblue for a bee to fly but it is still flying so we can not ancer this untill we fix the flaw

[darkdieuguerre]

Originally Posted by hafelife

im going to say this agen our math if flawed because it is mathmatcly inposiblue for a bee to fly but it is still flying so we can not ancer this untill we fix the flaw

Is it really? You do remember how gravity works, right? The more massive the object in question the stronger gravity pulls on it (or something like that, I'll have to look it up). So the bee, being relatively light, is not affected by gravity as much as humans are. Therefore, since the bee can generate enough force to overcome gravity, it can fly. However, we can't, since we are too heavy and too un-aerodynamic.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by darkdieuguerre

Is it really? You do remember how gravity works, right? The more massive the object in question the stronger gravity pulls on it (or something like that, I'll have to look it up). So the bee, being relatively light, is not affected by gravity as much as humans are. Therefore, since the bee can generate enough force to overcome gravity, it can fly. However, we can't, since we are too heavy and too un-aerodynamic.

The earth does pull harder on heavier objects. Heavier objects also create larger gravitational fields.

It's not that we're un-aerodynamic >.> but we have no natural mechanism to create enough lift to overcome gravity.


I have no idea what this has to do with infinity though.

technically im not a mathmatician, but an error is the following any number / infinity = zero

Technically dividing something by infinity makes something very small, but not zero

It is zero.

I guess to understand this, realize that in x/infinity, x has a bounded size and infinity does not. Because x is bounded and infinity is not, whatever is on top becomes meaningless; it's boundedness represents an infinitely small amount in comparison to something that is unbounded.

Infinitely small means; something is becoming smaller without any bound, therefore it cannot be anything other than 0. To say that something infinitely small has a measurable size that is very small is a contradiction; giving it such would bound the value, which contradicts the definition of infinity.

The exact same concept of boundedness is why infinity cannot be any number.

[Setherex]

Infinity = x. X is a variable that can be represented by any number, so all you're saying is 0x, which equals 0. By the way, 0/0 is 0.

But if you think about it, infinity isn't a number. Infinity is ALL #s. So infinity over zero equals 0, because anything times infinity is 0.

BUT if you had infinity + infinity you would get infinity, which would be represented by x, it would come out as x imaginary. And i have a headache.

[Setherex]

Originally Posted by hafelife

its not 0.000000.... it just 0000000000000000.....

Lol... i learned this in the 5th grade... 0 is the same as 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 with as many other 0s after the decimal.

If the 0's continue, it is a special repeating decimal, which, in this case, cause the 0's after the decimal to become mere placeholders.

BUT! If the number was 0.000...<insert billions of 0s here>...00001, then the number is not equivalent to 0. In that case it is equivalent to the negative decimal place value, (like 1 billiongazillionololonanths or something).

Which isn't related, at all to this subject.

[darkdieuguerre]

Originally Posted by Setherex

Infinity = x. X is a variable that can be represented by any number, so all you're saying is 0x, which equals 0. By the way, 0/0 is 0.

But if you think about it, infinity isn't a number. Infinity is ALL #s. So infinity over zero equals 0, because anything times infinity is 0.

BUT if you had infinity + infinity you would get infinity, which would be represented by x, it would come out as x imaginary. And i have a headache.

What? Infinity cannot be a number. Infinity is not all numbers either. It can be the cardinality of the set of all numbers (be the numbers purely real, purely imaginary, or complex), but it cannot represent every single number.

[Reach]

Infinity = x. X is a variable that can be represented by any number

You go wrong right here. Read my post. You can't call infinity a number and can't represent it as a number.

It's a conceptual idea that is unbounded, so naturally no matter how large a number you produce, infinity is larger. Not just larger either, infinitely larger; meaning the degree to which it is larger also cannot be defined as any number.

[hafelife]

Originally Posted by darkdieuguerre

Is it really? You do remember how gravity works, right? The more massive the object in question the stronger gravity pulls on it (or something like that, I'll have to look it up). So the bee, being relatively light, is not affected by gravity as much as humans are. Therefore, since the bee can generate enough force to overcome gravity, it can fly. However, we can't, since we are too heavy and too un-aerodynamic.

thats not y it mathmatily inposible it be cause the the fores that the wings of a bee is not efficent to lift the bee fores/waght=lift so there has to be some thing wrong with our math becuse i see bees fly sooooo fix our math and u well fix this problem

[RandomPscho]

thats not y it mathmatily inposible it be cause the the fores that the wings of a bee is not efficent to lift the bee fores/waght=lift so there has to be some thing wrong with our math becuse i see bees fly sooooo fix our math and u well fix this problem

What?

[lord_carbo]

Originally Posted by monkeybomb45

infinity is not a number...its a word
you cannot multiply words
infinity * zero = nothing...it doesnt exist

Not really. Infinity is a concept, is all.

[darkdieuguerre]

Originally Posted by hafelife

thats not y it mathmatily inposible it be cause the the fores that the wings of a bee is not efficent to lift the bee fores/waght=lift so there has to be some thing wrong with our math becuse i see bees fly sooooo fix our math and u well fix this problem

It's mathematically impossible eh? Provide some proof.

The bee is, compared to the Earth, incredibly light. Therefore, according to Newton's law of universal gravitation, the bee is less attracted to the Earth than an object of greater mass. If the bee can fly (which it can), then the bee must be able to generate enough force (enough to defy gravity) such that it can fly.

[Vote4Nixon]

It equals the force of ten men farting

[hafelife]

Originally Posted by darkdieuguerre

It's mathematically impossible eh? Provide some proof.

The bee is, compared to the Earth, incredibly light. Therefore, according to Newton's law of universal gravitation, the bee is less attracted to the Earth than an object of greater mass. If the bee can fly (which it can), then the bee must be able to generate enough force (enough to defy gravity) such that it can fly.

haha but even with it incertibuly light waght the wing spand of the bees wing is not abule to lift the bee (mathmatcly) soooooooo the forse generated thats F and the waght of the bee thats W dose not make anuf life that L
W\F=L

[RandomPscho]

haha but even with it incertibuly light waght the wing spand of the bees wing is not abule to lift the bee (mathmatcly) soooooooo the forse generated thats F and the waght of the bee thats W dose not make anuf life that L
W\F=L

Please provide some evidence that a bee cannot fly.

[darkdieuguerre]

Originally Posted by hafelife

haha but even with it incertibuly light waght the wing spand of the bees wing is not abule to lift the bee (mathmatcly) soooooooo the forse generated thats F and the waght of the bee thats W dose not make anuf life that L
W\F=L

That's pure theory. You haven't yet provided evidence that contradicts what is true. Bees fly not because they are an exception of math. They are so light that the force they need to defy gravity is relatively small, and since they can generate that force (how else can they fly?) they can fly.

[hafelife]

Originally Posted by darkdieuguerre

That's pure theory. You haven't yet provided evidence that contradicts what is true. Bees fly not because they are an exception of math. They are so light that the force they need to defy gravity is relatively small, and since they can generate that force (how else can they fly?) they can fly.

lol i no that thay can fly and i no that there mass is less so thay hev a less gravitational pull is less but still with it less gravitational pull it is still mathamaticly and that the key word mathamaticly it is inposibule to fly because it waght over take the amount of fores the wing could perduse even with is less waght it still inposibul because ether our math is worng or there is some thing that we dont no and we are geting off subject lol we when to 0*inf to bee lol it was just a exsample